Comments on: How to get Ben Gordon going http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 11:45:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39688 Patrick Hayes Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:50:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39688 <p>Ugh</p> Ugh

]]> By: Pistonspapa http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39682 Pistonspapa Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:50:31 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39682 <strong>They got rid of the best point guard and shooting guards, Chauncy and Rip. They should have sent Dumars along with Koester. They were the problem, not the great guards. They also should have gotten Laimbeir as coach too. He knows how to win and he also would put his thumb on the players until they deceided to win.  I think Dumars messed up a good team and it's clear he wants coaches who he can manipulate. He don't want somone like Laimbeir, who would tell Joe to stay in the office and let me run this team and make a winner. What a shame. I had a lot of admiration for Joe but he has lost that. Especially somone that played his whole carreer for the same team. Don't get it. </strong> They got rid of the best point guard and shooting guards, Chauncy and Rip. They should have sent Dumars along with Koester. They were the problem, not the great guards. They also should have gotten Laimbeir as coach too. He knows how to win and he also would put his thumb on the players until they deceided to win.  I think Dumars messed up a good team and it’s clear he wants coaches who he can manipulate. He don’t want somone like Laimbeir, who would tell Joe to stay in the office and let me run this team and make a winner. What a shame. I had a lot of admiration for Joe but he has lost that. Especially somone that played his whole carreer for the same team. Don’t get it.

]]> By: Scott http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39663 Scott Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:11:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39663 A good player will look good on a bad team.  If you put Michael Jordan on the 90s Clippers, they wouldnt have won a championship, but you'd say dang... that Jordan can play.   Gordon played well for a good team; and can't even justify his playing time on a losing squad. That says ALL i need to hear. A good player will look good on a bad team.  If you put Michael Jordan on the 90s Clippers, they wouldnt have won a championship, but you’d say dang… that Jordan can play.  

Gordon played well for a good team; and can’t even justify his playing time on a losing squad. That says ALL i need to hear.

]]> By: brgulker http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39626 brgulker Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:37:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39626 <strong>All he’s good for is taking jump shots, and they won’t usually fall; sometimes they won’t fall at all. If he were a dynamic scorer who scored inside and out and in all different ways, he might be able to make up for his status as a defensive liability. But he takes jump shots, and even the best jump shooters just aren’t reliable.</strong> To me, this gets it exactly right.  Mid-range jumpshots are the most inefficient way to score in the NBA. Developing a system built on a guy who shoots lots of these shots is a recipe for disaster. For every 8-14 night, there will be two 4-14 nights. That's just the way it goes with long two's. Gordon (his coaching staff, teammates) needs to rediscover his three point shot. That's where his only significant value is as a player. All he’s good for is taking jump shots, and they won’t usually fall; sometimes they won’t fall at all. If he were a dynamic scorer who scored inside and out and in all different ways, he might be able to make up for his status as a defensive liability. But he takes jump shots, and even the best jump shooters just aren’t reliable.

To me, this gets it exactly right. 

Mid-range jumpshots are the most inefficient way to score in the NBA. Developing a system built on a guy who shoots lots of these shots is a recipe for disaster. For every 8-14 night, there will be two 4-14 nights. That’s just the way it goes with long two’s.

Gordon (his coaching staff, teammates) needs to rediscover his three point shot. That’s where his only significant value is as a player.

]]> By: domnick http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39606 domnick Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:11:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39606 the thing is.... he is not just here to play defense... he is here to score... and he's not just a jumpshooter... he can also penetrate and destroy defense... just in case... please watch BOS vs CHI series... playoffs 2008-09 season... and also MIA vs CHI during 2006-07 season the thing is…. he is not just here to play defense… he is here to score…

and he’s not just a jumpshooter… he can also penetrate and destroy defense…

just in case… please watch BOS vs CHI series… playoffs 2008-09 season… and also MIA vs CHI during 2006-07 season

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39545 Laser Wed, 28 Dec 2011 04:38:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39545 The thing is: I actually agree that he played within himself and generally had good shot selection, two things that were complete reversals from last season. But all that does to me is underline the fundamental problem with him, since all this positive change nets the same basic result.   All he's good for is taking jump shots, and they won't usually fall; sometimes they won't fall at all. If he were a dynamic scorer who scored inside and out and in all different ways, he might be able to make up for his status as a defensive liability. But he takes jump shots, and even the best jump shooters just aren't reliable.   And (as was pointed out in the comments above) it's not just about having a point guard to get him the ball or big men to set screens for him; those were Rip's problems. Because Rip's a full grown man who can play alongside a standard-sized point guard and defend his position. Gordon almost certainly needs to play alongside a large point guard, but no matter what he's guarding someone tall enough to shoot over top of him or defending the ball against the league's quickest players and strongest ballhandlers. So you need a very good defensive team overall to justify having him on the court at all, let alone paying him $13 million a year.   Come to think of it, this is basically a reversal of the Ben Wallace situation six years ago. Chicago overpaid him player based on his usefulness in Detroit's system, where he was surrounded by guys who could spread the floor and score the ball in a wide variety of ways. The end result was that Big Ben was basically useless on that team and eating up a fat chunk of cap space, and the same could be said for Little Ben around here. He's useless here. We have no use whatsoever for a pint-sized jump shooter who can't defend anybody. The thing is: I actually agree that he played within himself and generally had good shot selection, two things that were complete reversals from last season. But all that does to me is underline the fundamental problem with him, since all this positive change nets the same basic result.
 
All he’s good for is taking jump shots, and they won’t usually fall; sometimes they won’t fall at all. If he were a dynamic scorer who scored inside and out and in all different ways, he might be able to make up for his status as a defensive liability. But he takes jump shots, and even the best jump shooters just aren’t reliable.
 
And (as was pointed out in the comments above) it’s not just about having a point guard to get him the ball or big men to set screens for him; those were Rip’s problems. Because Rip’s a full grown man who can play alongside a standard-sized point guard and defend his position. Gordon almost certainly needs to play alongside a large point guard, but no matter what he’s guarding someone tall enough to shoot over top of him or defending the ball against the league’s quickest players and strongest ballhandlers. So you need a very good defensive team overall to justify having him on the court at all, let alone paying him $13 million a year.
 
Come to think of it, this is basically a reversal of the Ben Wallace situation six years ago. Chicago overpaid him player based on his usefulness in Detroit’s system, where he was surrounded by guys who could spread the floor and score the ball in a wide variety of ways. The end result was that Big Ben was basically useless on that team and eating up a fat chunk of cap space, and the same could be said for Little Ben around here. He’s useless here. We have no use whatsoever for a pint-sized jump shooter who can’t defend anybody.

]]> By: Ty http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39527 Ty Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:09:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39527 Not at amnesty yet but 2 seconds away from it. Not at amnesty yet but 2 seconds away from it.

]]> By: BIGMARV http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39523 BIGMARV Wed, 28 Dec 2011 02:28:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39523 In the KIND words of Jim Mora "PLAYOFFS?! you talking about PLAYOFFS?! we can barley win a game" lol In the KIND words of Jim Mora “PLAYOFFS?! you talking about PLAYOFFS?! we can barley win a game” lol

]]> By: BIGMARV http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39522 BIGMARV Wed, 28 Dec 2011 02:26:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39522 How about sticking some jumper cables up his ass then that might work... the dudes been hot garbage since he got here.. Amnesty Please! I aint wasting no more time talking about this dude How about sticking some jumper cables up his ass then that might work… the dudes been hot garbage since he got here.. Amnesty Please! I aint wasting no more time talking about this dude

]]> By: Domnick http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12/how-to-get-gordon-going/comment-page-1/#comment-39521 Domnick Wed, 28 Dec 2011 02:25:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=8293#comment-39521 Well, what has been the Ben Gordon of Chicago and Ben Gordon of Pistons.... last season, i saw BG scorching the defense and unstoppable against OKC, i think that was before November 2010... but now... i see him no-confidence at all... i am not a BG fan but i like his scoring.... if he gets back to what he once was.. then we are really going to be a better team.... especially in the playoffs! Well, what has been the Ben Gordon of Chicago and Ben Gordon of Pistons…. last season, i saw BG scorching the defense and unstoppable against OKC, i think that was before November 2010… but now… i see him no-confidence at all…

i am not a BG fan but i like his scoring…. if he gets back to what he once was.. then we are really going to be a better team…. especially in the playoffs!

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