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	<title>Comments on: Fourth-quarter toughness returns in Pistons win over Cleveland</title>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 04:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this quote 


&quot;No matter what the situation is for me, individually, you have to lift the team up,&quot; Knight said. &quot;It doesn&#039;t have to be through scoring or getting assists, it&#039;s being a good teammate.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this quote </p>
<p>&#8220;No matter what the situation is for me, individually, you have to lift the team up,&#8221; Knight said. &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t have to be through scoring or getting assists, it&#8217;s being a good teammate.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,
Do you think Utah got a big haul in return for Mehmet Okur?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,<br />
Do you think Utah got a big haul in return for Mehmet Okur?</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian,
As I mentioned to you earlier in this thread, IMO, Utah would not have outright rejected a &lt;a href=&quot;http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/22/nets-trade-for-mehmet-okur-to-fill-in-for-injured-lopez/&quot;&gt;trade proposal from Detroit concerning Mehmet Okur&lt;/a&gt;. Although plenty of others may choose to question the rightness of some of my opinions regarding matters NBA-related but, as the old saying goes: &quot;The proof of the pudding is in the eating.&quot; Cheers :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian,<br />
As I mentioned to you earlier in this thread, IMO, Utah would not have outright rejected a &lt;a href=&#8221;http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/22/nets-trade-for-mehmet-okur-to-fill-in-for-injured-lopez/&#8221;&gt;trade proposal from Detroit concerning Mehmet Okur&lt;/a&gt;. Although plenty of others may choose to question the rightness of some of my opinions regarding matters NBA-related but, as the old saying goes: &#8220;The proof of the pudding is in the eating.&#8221; Cheers :-)</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tasier,
IMO, Ben Gordon has a future with a good team in the NBA. Charlie V, however, does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tasier,<br />
IMO, Ben Gordon has a future with a good team in the NBA. Charlie V, however, does not.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian,
I agree that Utah might not be willing to add Bynum and Villanueva in exchange for sending Okur to Detroit. However, I disagree with those who might think that the Jazz would automatically reject this proposal. IMO, Utah would at least consider it, since they might view Bynum as a cost effective upgrade from Earl Watson and that Villanueva might be able to provide them with some needed perimeter shooting/scoring at the PF position, given that none of their current stable of Bigs can effectively stretch the floor, if Okur is not yet fully recovered from his torn achilles injury. Unlike the Jazz, however, Detroit might not need Mehmet to be able to shoot the ball from distance like he once did in order to be an effective defensive rebounder for their squad this year. I also agree that the Jazz would prefer to Okur for this season, both, as a mentor for Kanter and the Cap relief his contract presents for summer 2012. That said, if Bynum and Villanueva are not able to bring back even a modest asset like Okur [i.e. damaged goods] then, in reality, how good are either of these two players to the Pistons moving forward?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian,<br />
I agree that Utah might not be willing to add Bynum and Villanueva in exchange for sending Okur to Detroit. However, I disagree with those who might think that the Jazz would automatically reject this proposal. IMO, Utah would at least consider it, since they might view Bynum as a cost effective upgrade from Earl Watson and that Villanueva might be able to provide them with some needed perimeter shooting/scoring at the PF position, given that none of their current stable of Bigs can effectively stretch the floor, if Okur is not yet fully recovered from his torn achilles injury. Unlike the Jazz, however, Detroit might not need Mehmet to be able to shoot the ball from distance like he once did in order to be an effective defensive rebounder for their squad this year. I also agree that the Jazz would prefer to Okur for this season, both, as a mentor for Kanter and the Cap relief his contract presents for summer 2012. That said, if Bynum and Villanueva are not able to bring back even a modest asset like Okur [i.e. damaged goods] then, in reality, how good are either of these two players to the Pistons moving forward?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things I would like to add about last nights game if anyone cares.

1.) Cleveland had huge energy and toughness after about 7 or 8 minutes. I would say the type of energy that was uncontrollable to some extent by Detroit.

2.) We are kind of transitioning to a faster pace offense for sure. I beleive this contributes a great deal to the turnovers and sloppy play last night.

Just my two cents. We still have a long way to go but I very optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things I would like to add about last nights game if anyone cares.</p>
<p>1.) Cleveland had huge energy and toughness after about 7 or 8 minutes. I would say the type of energy that was uncontrollable to some extent by Detroit.</p>
<p>2.) We are kind of transitioning to a faster pace offense for sure. I beleive this contributes a great deal to the turnovers and sloppy play last night.</p>
<p>Just my two cents. We still have a long way to go but I very optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: The Point Forward &#187; Posts Court Vision: Hornets&#8217; trade a mistake? &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Point Forward &#187; Posts Court Vision: Hornets&#8217; trade a mistake? &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Patrick Hayes of Piston Powered wonders if Lawrence Frank might have found a wacky lineup wrinkle on a team full of potential wacky lineup wrinkles: And Frank showed a lot of creativity [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Patrick Hayes of Piston Powered wonders if Lawrence Frank might have found a wacky lineup wrinkle on a team full of potential wacky lineup wrinkles: And Frank showed a lot of creativity [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Detroit just needs good players regardless of whether they specialize on O or D. As constructed, they need more D but that is because BG and CV are on the roster and neither of those should be in Detroit&#039;s long term plans anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detroit just needs good players regardless of whether they specialize on O or D. As constructed, they need more D but that is because BG and CV are on the roster and neither of those should be in Detroit&#8217;s long term plans anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that Utah wouldn&#039;t take on long term salary for Okur, but why would they have any interest in Maxiell and Gordon? Maxiell is dead money. He might not even make Detroit&#039;s rotation, and they have maybe the worst frontcourt in the league. Gordon is way to expensive for a team that has cut salary and committed to youth, plus they have a very intriguing lottery pick in Alec Burks set to take over at shooting guard. They could do much, much better for any of their bigs if they really are trying to trade one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Utah wouldn&#8217;t take on long term salary for Okur, but why would they have any interest in Maxiell and Gordon? Maxiell is dead money. He might not even make Detroit&#8217;s rotation, and they have maybe the worst frontcourt in the league. Gordon is way to expensive for a team that has cut salary and committed to youth, plus they have a very intriguing lottery pick in Alec Burks set to take over at shooting guard. They could do much, much better for any of their bigs if they really are trying to trade one.</p>
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		<title>By: frankie d</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>both millsap and jefferson are problems defensively.
millsap is undersized as a PF and not quick enough to guard SFs.
very nice player - great rebounder and excellent energy guy who is expanding his offensive game - but he simply has problems because of his size.  and he&#039;s not a crazy, barkley-type athlete who can make up for his short stature with extreme athleticism.
jefferson is just an awful defender.  if he gets about 10 away from his defensive goal, he is like a fish out of water.  minnesota traded him because it was impossible to have jefferson and love on the court at the same time, they are both so slow, defensively.  horrible on the pick and roll, if a big guy can put the ball on the floor, he&#039;ll go right around jefferson.
excellent rebounder and one of the best low post offensive players in the league, if not the best, but he kills you defensively.  a nice guy to have on your team because of his offensive ability, but he is definitely not the guy detroit needs, as they need a defensive presence.  primarily...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>both millsap and jefferson are problems defensively.<br />
millsap is undersized as a PF and not quick enough to guard SFs.<br />
very nice player &#8211; great rebounder and excellent energy guy who is expanding his offensive game &#8211; but he simply has problems because of his size.  and he&#8217;s not a crazy, barkley-type athlete who can make up for his short stature with extreme athleticism.<br />
jefferson is just an awful defender.  if he gets about 10 away from his defensive goal, he is like a fish out of water.  minnesota traded him because it was impossible to have jefferson and love on the court at the same time, they are both so slow, defensively.  horrible on the pick and roll, if a big guy can put the ball on the floor, he&#8217;ll go right around jefferson.<br />
excellent rebounder and one of the best low post offensive players in the league, if not the best, but he kills you defensively.  a nice guy to have on your team because of his offensive ability, but he is definitely not the guy detroit needs, as they need a defensive presence.  primarily&#8230;</p>
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