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24 wins for the Pistons this season?

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  • Dec 23, 201112:06 pm
    by gerdz

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    if we don’t get a defensive big before the season starts then we will be under 24 wins

  • Dec 23, 20112:18 pm
    by Peter D. Brown

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    I think this team is going to overachieve because of 1) bench depth/fresh legs in a shortened season 2) playing weak Eastern Conf. teams like Toronto, Charlotte, Cleveland on a consistent basis 3) the new defensive mentality that Lawrence Frank brings. That last point may take time to resonate with the players, especially after the lack of emphasis on defense during the Curry/Kuester era, but I’m encouraged that they’ll adapt considering all of the reports of the players affection for Frank.

  • Dec 23, 20112:56 pm
    by Birdman84

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    Oh under, definitely under.

  • Dec 23, 20113:03 pm
    by labatts

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    Hm.  With or without Fesenko?

    • Dec 23, 20119:59 pm
      by tarsier

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      Yeah… cuz Fesenko would totally shift things by more than 1 or 2 wins.

      • Dec 25, 20117:09 am
        by BIG MARV

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        Is there any word on this guy coming here? cause they need to hurry asap

  • Dec 23, 20113:20 pm
    by leonelreo

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    with the current players, clearly under. I wish I am wrong. If we just signed Bogans… just joking
    Like Gerdz said, without a center we can’t win
    weak opponents like Cleveland? we have lost to them last week, and then we won by just 1 point, nearly a miracle… WE ARE THE WEAK OPPONENT

  • Dec 23, 20113:20 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    If we target a Center I can see us as a .500 ball club…

  • Dec 23, 20113:21 pm
    by Erges

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    Maybe a little over. Looks like a high 2012 pick to me

  • Dec 23, 20113:56 pm
    by Laser

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    I clicked OVER because my calculation (50 losses prorated to fit the shortened season) came out to a hair over 24. They’re probably in a similar spot to last season, because: (a) they reduced their perimeter rotation by one, but they eliminated two seasoned veterans and replaced them with a rookie in the process, and (b) it’s basically the same frontcourt, and only time will tell how much improvment we’ll see from a Monroe/Jerebko pairing.
     
    Another factor is the schedule, since I’d have to look it over to see how the 16 locked out games affects us. But the truth is, they probably won’t win 24. I look around the league, and I have a hard time finding teams I think we should be able to beat. It’s just the preseason, but we looked pretty evenly matched against a team that lost more than 60 games. We may not have the worst team in the league, but we’ve got the worst cap situation relative to competitiveness.
     
    The other factor is lineups. For virtually every reason imaginable, I think our starting lineup should feature Knight and Stuckey. It makes no sense to start Stuckey and Gordon, since we’ve seen more than enough to know that’s not a promising duo, plus it leaves your purest point guards coming off the bench. Knight and Gordon are probably too small to even be considered, though I’ve always liked the idea of Stuckey and Bynum being paired together off the bench. Also, Knight/Stuckey gives us the best opportunity to mitigate the problems of having so many small guards, since Bynum and Gordon match up better against backups; their size will be less of a problem, and we have potential to score in bunches with Bynum penetrating and kicking to Gordon, Villa and Daye. Body would anchor the defense on that unit… or should I say he’ll be the only one playing any defense.
     
    So if we’re looking at Knight/Stuckey/Tayshaun/Jerebko/Monroe backed up by Bynum/Gordon/Daye/Villanueva/Wallace, that probably maximizes our potential and makes losing merely 40 or so games a possibility.

    • Dec 23, 20114:40 pm
      by Max

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      The Jazz are looking more and more like logical trading partners.  The Pistons are thoroughly superior at the swing positions, both in veterans and potential, and the Jazz have thoroughly superior bigs, both in veterans and potential and they also just got a trade exception for Okur which would allow them to take in more money in the deal if they wanted Stuckey at the deadline.  Stuckey is a perfect 2 for them in the sense that Devin Harris can and will go down at some point for long stretches every season.
      I’d like Joe to target any of Jefferson, Millsap, Kanter or Favors if the Jazz are willing to deal for any combination of Stuckey, Gordon, Daye, Jerebko, Singler, Macklin or Bynum and maybe even next year’s #1 if they can land Jefferson or Millsap, although I’d rather they keep Stuck some how in any trade.  Monroe, Knight and Prince (my lifer) are my intended keepers in the deal although Prince is, of course, not a deal breaker whereas Monroe and Knight are.

  • Dec 23, 20114:29 pm
    by rick77

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    It’s hard to get excited for this upcoming season. I was pissed that we did not try and get Okur,but hear we did not have cap space to pick up contract,which really sucks. I also hear the Raps, Heat, Warriors, and another team are all in it for the big man from Utah. So what real chance do we have at getting at true center? None at this moment and I just cannot see a situation where someone is going to come in and say “here you go Detroit take our big men and give us a guard”. Gordon’s contract to me is the biggest obstacle on thsi team and I feel it is really hindering anything they could do. Utah now will not give up any big man unless Kanter is great and they cannot find minutes for Milsap,Jefferson, and Favors. Just look at the abundance of big men they have and are actually skilled. Boy how much do I pine for the old days. Oh well I guess we will see how good of a coach Frank really is. If he goes all Rick Carlisle I will be happy because that means we have an identity and are headed in the right direction.

  • Dec 23, 20114:49 pm
    by Shane

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    The Hawks just waived Keith Benson.. Hopefully the Pistons pick him up

    • Dec 25, 20117:16 am
      by BIG MARV

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      I like benson too but damn he so raw you would have to send him to the D leauge for at least half of the season. If you do get him you have to ge a ready made veterian center for the 1 year min somebody like Erick Dampier just to secure the center spot until benson can prove that he’s ready next year but this would all have to work if fesenko dont show up

  • Dec 23, 201111:39 pm
    by John

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    Wow, lots of haters out there. I think 29-37 or 30-36 is more appropriate. This team’s strength is not defense, and even though Frank is stressing defense, I hoping (praying) he stresses pushing the tempo just as much. Detroit has 11 players deserving playing time, so in order to maximize the talent we have, the best logic would be to push tempo hard and get to the basket as much as possible. If that is the case, 26-28 minutes for our players will give them the touches and stats as if they were playing 28-32 minutes a night. 11 is too many for a traditional NBA rotation and guys like Maxiell & Daye can no longer get DNP CD’s.

  • Dec 24, 20119:11 am
    by gordbrown

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    This line puts them at the same spot they were last year (which is logical I guess). So the question is: how much does a new coach add to the mix? Can you find 20 games last year that the Pistons had a legitimate chance to win and lost because of coaching? (Easily). Split those in half and you have a .500 team. So they should improve somewhat just on that alone. Add Jerebko who will add a couple of wins. Subtract Hamilton which should be good for a couple of wins. Add an extra half season of Monroe positively contributing. I don’t think they will get to .500 although I think they’ll easily be closer to 33 than 25. Also and to beat a dead horse, we hardly saw Stuckey and Gordon together on the court at all last season. Even though they were extremely effective together before Gordon got hurt. So I don’t agree that that’s proven to be a bad combination. Quite the opposite in fact.

  • Dec 24, 20111:25 pm
    by frankie d

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    24 is about right.  
    if they don’t add shotblocking and/or some size and bulk i could see the team losing a couple more, going down to 21 or 22 wins.
    they will get pounded game after game, and they will only win when their jumpers are on.  
    if joe is able to somehow bring in some size, they could win 30+ games, but joe mysteriously doesn’t appear too concerned about the hole in the middle.

  • Dec 25, 20111:43 pm
    by Max

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    It would seem by the voting on this topic that the negative, naysaying haters masquerading as Pistons fans are just a small whining, but vocal, minority as the vote is overwhelmingly on the side of them winning more than 24 games next year.  This shouldn’t be a surprise since I would suppose most people here are Pistons fans, but then again, I read these boards.
    @Laser…..cap situation relative to competitiveness has almost no bearing on how many games a given team will win unless you are calculating the likelihood of a future trade that winds up being positive for the team—which takes in far too many variables.  For certain trades, being over the cap will actually help you. As cap situation relative to competitiveness may, but does not necessarily, help with making such a trade, you may have an infinitesimal point of relevance, but I don’t know why you’d waste any time making it.
    @leonofreo………….The preseason games with Cleveland shouldn’t be be over analyzed as a measure of how good or bad the Pistons are this season, but I’d like to make one main pont–Stuckey, the Pistons best player, didn’t play in the first game and didn’t start the second as he had just signed with the team.   Also, the Pistons started Bynum and played like crap until Knight came in and the Pistons outplayed the Cavs thereafter during the first game and then they started Knight the second game which they won.  Therefore, the preseason seems pretty useless to me as any kind of indicator.   Their best player and their point guard situation was in flux, but they did ok.
     

  • Dec 25, 20111:58 pm
    by Max

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    Another point about cap situation relative to competitiveness; the Pistons have the 27th highest payroll out of 30 teams at present and do not have any of the 30 highest paid players in the league on their roster.  As I think they will perform better than being the 4th worst team, I can say fairly strongly that they do not have the worst cap situation relative to competitiveness.
    Also, while I have not been able to find official figures, the Pistons figure to be in the range of being the youngest team in the league this season with a very high proportion, maybe the highest, of drafted players operating under the auspices of a rookie contract.  On that score, Brandon Knight will be the youngest player in the league this year all season.
    Their main building blocks are a big man who can play either position and a point guard which is, all things being equal, the best base you could possibly start a team with.
    They still have the amnesty clause; and the draft is so strong next year that every team that wins less than 50% of its games will have an excellent chance at drafting a great player.
    Sounds like a team operating with great flexibility to me.

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