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Pistons still covet Brendan Haywood

The Pistons were interested in Brendan Haywood last summer, and I liked the idea. Apparently the former is still the case. Vincent Goodwill of The Detroit News:

If Dallas overpays to keep Chandler, they could let go of Brendan Haywood for cap relief and the Pistons would gladly swoop in to sign the veteran big man if that happens. They wanted him two years ago and nothing has changed to alter that line of thinking.

Nothing has changed to alter that line of thinking? Haywood’s production dropped across the board last year. When that happens to a big man at 31, the line of thinking should change.

Of course, if the Mavericks waive Haywood now, he’ll fetch much less than the six-year, $55 million contract Dallas gave him. At the right price – say three years, $16 million – I’d still sign him.

37 Comments

  • Nov 28, 201111:54 am
    by Ali J

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    Id accept 3yrs $16-$18 million.  Hopefully they are planning on using their amnesty on CV31 and look to have Haywood allow Monroe to play some 4.  We haven’t had a big body in years, I think Shaq Stopper Elden Campbell was our last 7 footer.  All in all bring in a big guy, we would take anyone over 7′ 230lbs.

    • Nov 28, 201112:40 pm
      by tarsier

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      Why the obsession with seven feet? Dwight Howard isn’t 7′.

    • Nov 29, 20111:58 pm
      by detroitpcb

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      How about Nene? I would much rather have him than haywood. he is going to leave Denver and i do not think he will get a max deal. Maybe we could move CV and Ben Gordon for him.

  • Nov 28, 20111:00 pm
    by JT's Hoops Blog

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    Dallas signing Haywood to that ridicoulyus amount of money was sickenly worse than them signing Erick Dampier for the smae amount a few year back.  What’s even more sickening is the with the amnesty clause Mark Cuban can just sweep Haywwood under the rug and contionue his buying a championship team which I don’t believe is right. 

    The pistonsdo not even need a Center, they already have a solid one in Greg Monroe.  What the Pistons need is a point guard–A true point guard to boot.. They don’t need another combo-guard masking as a point guard–they have enough of them.  The need someone that can initiate good ball movement and ensures that all his teammates gets the amount of touches they need.

    • Nov 28, 20111:41 pm
      by tarsier

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      And Tyson Chandler will be the next center to be way overpaid by the Mavs this off season.

      But the Pistons need help at every position. I’m a big fan of Monroe, but they still need another big (PF or C). While they may have tons of wings, none of them are particularly good. PG may be where Detroit needs the least help. Stuckey will never be a great option at PG, but he can be a suitable stop gap there. And don’t forget that it is also the position of their sparkling new lottery pick. Give him a chance to show whether he can be the PG of the future before focusing there.

      Also combo guards can “initiate good ball movement and ensure that all their teammates get the amount of touches they need.” Hence why we call them combo guards rather than shooting guards.

  • Nov 28, 20111:17 pm
    by cluke23

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    remember kelvin cato? what a bust. im dissapointed in joe dumars as of lately..and yes i agree with JT hoops blog. we need a true point guard. stuckey is a solid scorer. but not a point guard.

  • Nov 28, 20111:37 pm
    by Scott

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    I was gonna chastise our team for wanting Haywood, but then I read about the AMNESTY bit. Now that would be a good move. Just as long as they dont have to take on that ridiculous contract of his.

  • Nov 28, 20112:33 pm
    by frankie d

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    instead of paying an old guy all of that money, i’d go after a young guy with some talent and potential.
    one guy who is out there is fesenko with utah.  he can probably be had for a pretty reasonable amount.  he is definitely a gamble cause he hasn’t really played a lot, but he is big, pretty athletic for a guy his size and he’s got a real mean streak, which is always nice to have in a big guy.  plus, he’s got really good hands, which would work nicely with a passing big man like monroe.
    again, he’s a gamble because of his lack of previous PT and production, but paying a guy like haywood all that money, while passing on a young guy like fesenko is not the way for a franchise like detroit to go.

  • Nov 28, 20112:56 pm
    by ToNiG

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    For those who say Detroit Pistons doesn’t need a center, they must not watch the same Pistons I do. Greg Monroe is a PF not a C. Jonas Jerebko is a strong young talented player who should be a SF a starting SF for the Detroit Pistons and not a PF. We all know Stucky will never be a true PG or a leader in this team why not let go now. Give a young talent a chance name Brandon Knight! Brandon Knight, Ben Gordon, Jonas Jerebko, Greg Monroe, Center: ________? Why not ship rip and Charlie for a big man like, Gasol, Haword, or just get rid of Charlie and sign Samuel Dalembert who is a free agent. We need a solid big men in Detroit. I would love to see a real Center in Detroit and build around him and Greg Monroe and Jerebko. We do have SG, and SF, we need a solid true PG and C… will Brandon Knight be that PG we been waiting for since we traded Billups, We need to wait and see, because Stucky sure is not !

    • Nov 28, 20113:31 pm
      by tarsier

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      Could you elaborate on what exactly the difference between a PF and a C is and add a list of the centers that exist in the NBA? I’m doubting that there will be enough for each team to have one.

  • Nov 28, 20113:15 pm
    by Faraz

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    yeah, i dont understand why you guys (aside from ToNig) keep forgetting about our new PG Brandon Knight. He might take some time to develop, but he’s definitely a PG. And no, the Lakers are not stupid to trade Rip and Charlie V for gasol and neither are the magic to trade Howard for useless players like that.

  • Nov 28, 20113:23 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    I wouldn’t mind signing Brendan Haywood or even trading for him…He could really complement Monroe well and that might end up being a solid move by the Pistons…

  • Nov 28, 20113:33 pm
    by tarsier

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    Haywood doesn’t really seem like a fit for a team that won’t be contending for at least 2-3 years.

    • Nov 28, 20116:00 pm
      by Tiko

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      this

      • Nov 28, 20116:00 pm
        by Tiko

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        he’d be a disaster on a rebuilding team

  • Nov 28, 20113:59 pm
    by rob

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    Haywood is worth 5-6 mil/yr, but thats the most. 

    tbh, I’d only be interested as a last resort, or, if they can add someone better to start at Center, I’d take Haywood as a backup.

    I just didn’t see anything out of him last year in the playoffs that gets me excited anymore. My thinking is if he couldnt succeed with Dirk next to him and Kidd running the point, how successfully would he be with a young Monroe and Knight, who aren’t close to Dirk/Kidd level yet?

  • Nov 28, 20115:51 pm
    by Daye and Knight

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    So…anybody interested in Yi? I mean, he is 7 feet tall….250 pounds? Anybody? He’s not that bad, and paring him next to Greg Monroe doesn’t sound like the WORST thing in the world..just throwing it out there incase we dont get any of the players mentioned above…

    • Nov 28, 20117:01 pm
      by frankie d

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      Yi is a seven foot small forward.  He is one of the least physical “big” men in the league.  The pistons need a guy with a physical presence, not just seven feet in length.

  • Nov 28, 20117:42 pm
    by Saul

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    Haywood is a good fit for a team just like Dallas, in win now mode. It doesn’t make sense to put his money on the books when we’re not in title contention. Develop the young players, and possibly pull off a big trade. 3 years 16mil is a waste of money when we need to finish rebuilding.

  • Nov 28, 20119:06 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    Haywood cannot do for a team what Chandler did this year. He will not anchor a defense and grab every defensive rebound. Not happening. Why waste the money on another mediorce big man. We already have Max & CV. That is enough mediocrity.

    and what is this crying for a point guard? Didn’t we just spend a first round pick in the draft on a point guard? Are you people not even going to give Knight a chance? We haven’t even seen him yet.

  • Nov 28, 201111:32 pm
    by Jay

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    Forget Brendan Haywood, 5 years ago when he was still athletic and a rebounding and shot blocking machine, sure anyone would sign that guy. Problem is he isn’t that guy anymore.
     
    If Detroit is gonna spend money on a front court player they need someone who is an athletic shot blocker who will grow with Monroe in the the next few years. If you are gonna spend go after DeAndre Jordan of the Clippers. Sterling still hates spending money and if you over pay a bit for Jordan it will be worth more in the long run for the team and would provide immediate benefits (not to mention make up for not drafting him a couple years ago).

    • Nov 29, 20111:28 am
      by frankie d

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      deandre jordan would be my number one pick of free agent big men for the pistons.
      he is the perfect compliment for monroe.  atheltic, physical, good hands.
      unfortunately, he is restricted and there is at least a good chance that LA will not let him go.  it is iffy because kamen still has a year left on his huge contract, so LA  would be paying jordan big money to be a sub, if they matched an offer, but i think they would match anything.  i don’t think they will let him go.
      so, you have to look at the guys who are unrestricted – or at least in a position where their teams are not likely to match an offer, if they are restricted.
      imho, fesenko is the best unrestricted big guy out there.
      is he a gamble?  sure.  but what are the realistic options?
      and 31 year old big guys who appear to have lost their hops does not qualify.  like someone else posted earlier…i’d love to have the haywood from years back, but he is not that guy anymore.
       

  • Nov 29, 20112:38 am
    by gmehl1977

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    I just read on realgm that Utah is looking to trade Millsap and Jefferson. I wouldn’t mind going after Millsap and maybe even Jefferson as a second choice. here is the link:
    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/216819/Jazz_Shopping_Jefferson_Millsap

    • Nov 29, 20113:52 am
      by Jodi Jezz

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      Al Jefferson sounds like a better option…Only problem is, he isn’t that great on the defensive end of the floor…I wouldn’t mind trading for him though, maybe L.Frank can work some magic…

  • Nov 29, 20115:07 am
    by Kris

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    Totally agree Haywood won’t be good fit for rebuilding team. Trade for Millsap. This way you have young veteran, hard working, good character guy to match with Monroe & Jerebko. Make defending the paint and rebounding team responsibility and wait to find shotblocking presence. Eventually signing Chuck Hayes wouldn’t be bad neither I guess..

  • Nov 29, 20117:50 am
    by detroitpcb

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    Jefferson is another bad choice as a big man. He plays virtually no D and is a black hole on offense.

    But i love Milsap. He would be great next to Monroe. The Pistons should definitely inquire what the price is.

    • Nov 29, 20119:00 am
      by gmehl1977

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      Yeah obviously Millsap would be the one to go after but Utah might want more than we can offer. I am sure there are other teams that can offer more than we can and probably will. I do however think Utah would trade Jefferson for Rip. There contracts a pretty close and work with ESPN trade machine: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73ddgm6

      Jefferson is due $14 million (2 years)
      Rip is due $12.5 million (2 years)

      I suppose you you have to ask do you want another 2 years of Rip and his attitude and inconsistent play or another big guy that will at least give you 17 points and 8 boards a game. I would love to get Millsap but i don’t think Rip will fetch him.

      • Nov 29, 201111:30 am
        by tarsier

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        Why would anyone give up Jefferson for Rip? Jefferson may be below average on defense, but he isn’t completely useless on that end. And he is one of the best scoring centers in the league as well as a good rebounder. If he were looking for a new contract today, he’d get a near max deal. If Rip were looking for a contract today, he could probably expect a short term MLE.

  • Nov 29, 201112:58 pm
    by frankie d

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    millsap is a very nice player, but what utah has recognized is that he is not a starter at the 3 or 4 spot.  he is a combo forward who can play either spot depending on matchups.
    defensively he simply cannot guard the bigger power forwards. he has real problems whenever he matches up with those guys.  and he is simply not quick enough to guard small forwards and he doesn’t have SF skills.
    utah got into a bind when they matched the offer sheet that portland gave millsap a couple of years ago and now they want to get out from under that heavy contract now that they acquired derrick favors.
    again, millsap is a very nice player, someone who is nice to have on a team, but he is not a starting forward.  he is a great off the bench guy.  which is why utah is trying to move him.  right now he makes too much money – as far as they are concerned – for that kind of player.

  • Nov 29, 20111:54 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    Milsap is a starter at the 4 spot. He will score 15 points a night, give you 8 boards a night, and play fine defense against most 4′s. There are only a couple that he has trouble with. And he has a big heart.

  • Nov 29, 20112:08 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Why would we trade for an undersized Millsap when he plays the same position as Monroe?..I also think Millsap would play more efficient off the bench…We should target a Center…
     
    @Tarsier, we would probably have to involve a draft pick if we are interested in swapping Rip for Jefferson…We could also get creative and do a three-team trade involving Rip and Terrico White without a pick, that might work…

    • Nov 29, 201111:35 pm
      by tarsier

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      It would probably take at least two first rounders two make such a trade work. And I still don’t know if I pull the trigger if I’m Utah. Just think about how many players there are in each draft who are better than Jefferson (maybe 5). Terrico White has virtually no value at this point. To think that by involving a third team, the Pistons could send him out instead of a firsty is ludicrous.

  • Nov 29, 20113:48 pm
    by frankie d

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    @detroitpcb,
    if millsap is a starter quality big forward why did they make a trade for a bigger, younger player – favors – while they are in the middle of an expensive contract with millsap, one that pays him starter’s money.  (one in which, by the way, they’ve already taken the major hit financially, because it was frontloaded when portland made its offer, as a way of trying to prevent utah from matching it.)  and then put millsap on the market?
    and they brought favors in right after bringing in another f/c in jefferson.   (while they already are paying their starting center 10 million.)  millsap has problems with more than a couple of the PFs.  he has a problem with any of the bigger, better ones.  and the bigger, better ones tend to play on the better teams.  so you are basically conceding that you have a disadvantage, at that crucial position, against the better teams, when you start millsap as your 4.  i live in a western conference city -  portland – and watch lots of utah basketball.
    i love paul millsap and was sorry when utah matched portland’s offer sheet cause i love to watch him play.  he does have a great heart.  but the only reason he lasted until the second round, the only reason that he isn’t making 15 million dollars a year, the only reason his current team is replacing him as the team’s starting PF is because he is a classic tweener, a guy who is just a little to small to play consistently against the top guys at that position.
    too bad, cause he is such a nice player.  but why would i bring a guy in, looking to establish him as my starter, when everyone understands his limitations?  and when you are probably going to try to replace him with a bigger guy the minute he comes to the team?
    if you want to bring him  in as a bench guy, great.  but bringing him in with the expectation that he will be the starter at the 4 spot doesn’t make sense.

  • Nov 29, 20114:42 pm
    by Coach_Ackley

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    Well all I know is most of you are missing the point.. Outside of DeAndre Jordan I would not sign another young player reason being is if the NBA leaves the one-and-done this draft will be loaded with future stars at the PF spot and if the Pistons was going to trade for Millsap they would want a first round pick in the deal the only way I trade for Millsap would be if we could lottery protect the pick but Utah would not go for that.. They are rebuilding and will want a HIGH pick in return and if you none have noticed we ARE heading for the lottery again… So why not draft our next great PF……

    • Nov 29, 20118:21 pm
      by D_S_V

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      PREACH!

      I don’t think adding Nene, Millsap, Jefferson, or even Jordan would do us any good but keep us in the mediocrity circle. I can’t remember what phrase was coined during last summer, but I am a firm believer that adding marginal players via free agency or trade (which is all that is available and all that the Piston’s can really trade for while keeping Monroe and Knight) will keep us just out of the playoffs and too far from a good lottery pick. I say we focus on shedding BG, CV, Rip, take our bruises, and add in the next draft which should be pretty stocked. Since those 3 contracts, “Joe D’s hands have been tied” and we haven’t been able to properly evacuate this awful roster. So while we suffered through the last few seasons (JJ and Monroe being the lone bright spots), we still have more suffering to do, only hopefully this time Joe D can make some moves to set us up for the FUTURE. There is no way we are beating the Heat any time soon, so I say forget any trades that add contracts, money, and only enough wins to screw us over in the lottery. The upcoming draft looks to be very talented, so let’s not decrease our odds to watch Nene line up in a Pistons uniform and lead us to an almost .500 season.

  • Nov 29, 20114:52 pm
    by Coach_Ackley

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    Oh and by the way this is from Hoops World…….

    “Kyle Singler, the 33rd overall pick in the June NBA draft, is nearing an agreement with Real Madrid and won’t play for the Detroit Pistons this season, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
    Singler, a forward out of Duke, will sign a contract for the remainder of the season in the Spanish ACB League, replacing the Dallas Mavericks’ Rudy Fernandez on the Real Madrid roster”…   So there you have it we might be down a SF…..

  • Nov 30, 20114:49 am
    by Kris

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    New rule suppose to keep players in college for 2 years. If that is the case 2012 class will be a little shorter, still pretty loaded with PF, Cs though. The thing is Pistons probably won’t be that bad to get game changer as, say top 5 pick. So waiting for the right opportunity to trade is what I see happening. I would sign Chuck Hayes as FA – cheap, veteran, great work ethic, defensive minded, helps protect the paint, even though awfully undersized. Can slide to the bench in a future and will still have some good years left in him.

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