Comments on: Pistons won’t use amnesty clause this offseason http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sun, 19 May 2013 00:43:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Ant http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37454 Ant Sat, 03 Dec 2011 18:41:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37454 Not only has Max not turned out to be what we hoped but neither has Stuck. When we let Billups go, Joe thought that he had a younger, faster, potential point guard in stuckey so we let Billups go for an inspiering contract in Iverson. Everyone knew he was a one year rental and would be gone the following season but stuckey never got into the swing of things at point. The kid has potential as a back-up on a good team which at this point in time isn’t ours. I say use him as a chip in a trade scenario for a Kamen and Williams to detroit for prince and stuckey? With that you get a home town boy with an expiring contract and a true point guard to help give some time for Knight to develop into the future franchise player that he will be on our team! I agree that the Pistons should hold on to the amnesty untill they know who they want to use it on because right now we have too many options to use it on. I still feel like Hamilton can score you a lot of points on any given night and he doen’t need the ball for us to score points because hes not a guy who just stands there and waits for you to give him the ball, he moves all along the court to draw double coverage and frees up a man to take an open jump shot. We just don’t have a guy who can hit it everytime! I can keep going but i have to go, but how would this look: Pg. Mo Williams sg. Hamilton pf. Monroe sf. Jerebko c. Kamen Not only has Max not turned out to be what we hoped but neither has Stuck. When we let Billups go, Joe thought that he had a younger, faster, potential point guard in stuckey so we let Billups go for an inspiering contract in Iverson. Everyone knew he was a one year rental and would be gone the following season but stuckey never got into the swing of things at point. The kid has potential as a back-up on a good team which at this point in time isn’t ours. I say use him as a chip in a trade scenario for a Kamen and Williams to detroit for prince and stuckey? With that you get a home town boy with an expiring contract and a true point guard to help give some time for Knight to develop into the future franchise player that he will be on our team!
I agree that the Pistons should hold on to the amnesty untill they know who they want to use it on because right now we have too many options to use it on. I still feel like Hamilton can score you a lot of points on any given night and he doen’t need the ball for us to score points because hes not a guy who just stands there and waits for you to give him the ball, he moves all along the court to draw double coverage and frees up a man to take an open jump shot. We just don’t have a guy who can hit it everytime! I can keep going but i have to go, but how would this look:
Pg. Mo Williams
sg. Hamilton
pf. Monroe
sf. Jerebko
c. Kamen

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37357 gmehl1977 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:07:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37357 I am sure Joe wouldn't be making the final call on whether we use the amnesty clause or not so you couldn't blame him entirely. The final call would be made by Gores because lets face it, it going to be his millions of dollars that get shelled out. I am not happy with Joe's last half dozen or so moves either but a lot of them were made far too quick and look where that got him so maybe re-assessing the team under coach Frank is the best way to go. At best we are going to be either a 7th or 8th seed in the east and at worst we will probably get a top 3 lottery pick. The point i am trying to make is that it doesn't matter whether we use the amnesty now or next season as long as its on the right guy at the right time. I remember an article on pistonpowered about Gores mentioning that he will do anything to make the team better as long as its realistic, whether that be spending money or sitting court side if the team needs it. I haven't seen anything yet that suggests he wouldn't and he seems like a very competitive person so guess we will see. I want changes made as well but not just because of the sake of a change. Joe's minor moves have always worked out well and i think you will see a couple throughout the season. Here is a quote i read once <em><strong>'You can do really well in good and bad times, as long as you stay disciplined'</strong></em> I am sure Joe wouldn’t be making the final call on whether we use the amnesty clause or not so you couldn’t blame him entirely. The final call would be made by Gores because lets face it, it going to be his millions of dollars that get shelled out. I am not happy with Joe’s last half dozen or so moves either but a lot of them were made far too quick and look where that got him so maybe re-assessing the team under coach Frank is the best way to go. At best we are going to be either a 7th or 8th seed in the east and at worst we will probably get a top 3 lottery pick. The point i am trying to make is that it doesn’t matter whether we use the amnesty now or next season as long as its on the right guy at the right time. I remember an article on pistonpowered about Gores mentioning that he will do anything to make the team better as long as its realistic, whether that be spending money or sitting court side if the team needs it. I haven’t seen anything yet that suggests he wouldn’t and he seems like a very competitive person so guess we will see. I want changes made as well but not just because of the sake of a change. Joe’s minor moves have always worked out well and i think you will see a couple throughout the season.

Here is a quote i read once ‘You can do really well in good and bad times, as long as you stay disciplined’

]]> By: jack http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37350 jack Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:35:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37350 I hope this is not true.  This would be enough to push me off the Joe Dumars bandwagon, I mean he is a nice guy and all and he did win us 3 championships but this, the last 3 years and the Darko Milicic debacle is too much.  I really hope this is not true. I hope this is not true.  This would be enough to push me off the Joe Dumars bandwagon, I mean he is a nice guy and all and he did win us 3 championships but this, the last 3 years and the Darko Milicic debacle is too much.  I really hope this is not true.

]]> By: Matt http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37342 Matt Thu, 01 Dec 2011 08:20:16 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37342 Everyone needs to stop freaking out. They will use the amnesty clause in the near future on someone, whether they use it right now or next offseason really makes no difference seeing how this team won't compete for a title in the near future. Everyone needs to stop freaking out. They will use the amnesty clause in the near future on someone, whether they use it right now or next offseason really makes no difference seeing how this team won’t compete for a title in the near future.

]]> By: bg8 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37341 bg8 Thu, 01 Dec 2011 07:15:43 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37341 thats good that they aren't using it. now with an okay coach, who can't possibly be as dumb as kuester, can finally use this roster correctly. meaning: stuckey at pg (if they resign him, which i don't see why they won't) gordon at sg rip at sf cv or jonas at pf monroe at c then you got knight, daye, jonas or cv coming off the bench. that is so a playoff team. with frank as the coach, i expect to see rip and bg on the court together a lot more thats good that they aren’t using it. now with an okay coach, who can’t possibly be as dumb as kuester, can finally use this roster correctly. meaning:

stuckey at pg (if they resign him, which i don’t see why they won’t)
gordon at sg
rip at sf
cv or jonas at pf
monroe at c

then you got knight, daye, jonas or cv coming off the bench. that is so a playoff team.

with frank as the coach, i expect to see rip and bg on the court together a lot more

]]> By: Daniel V. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37337 Daniel V. Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:15:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37337 MLive has a <a href="http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2011/11/detroit_pistons_planning_to_pl.html" rel="nofollow">nice write up</a> about why it might make sense to hold off on using amnesty at this point.   Teams have until the end of the current collective bargaining agreement to use the amnesty clause (but can only be applied to players signed under the previous CBA), so there's no reason to rush into anything.   Daniel The Big Mitt MLive has a nice write up about why it might make sense to hold off on using amnesty at this point.  

Teams have until the end of the current collective bargaining agreement to use the amnesty clause (but can only be applied to players signed under the previous CBA), so there’s no reason to rush into anything.  

Daniel
The Big Mitt

]]> By: Jason http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37336 Jason Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:14:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37336 You should put the tweet up with Goodwill saying there was plenty of interest in Charlie V last year. No one believed me when I kept saying it. The coming off season moves and then next years is going to be fun. Dumars is FREE to do what he wants now. DETROIT BASKETBALL!! You should put the tweet up with Goodwill saying there was plenty of interest in Charlie V last year. No one believed me when I kept saying it.

The coming off season moves and then next years is going to be fun.

Dumars is FREE to do what he wants now.

DETROIT BASKETBALL!!

]]> By: Fennis http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37333 Fennis Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:53:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37333 Good to be back! While I agree with the wait-and-see approach to amnesty it ignores the elephant in the room -- how can Rip, Stuckey, and Gordon occupy the SG sport without spite, anger, and or apathy that will undermine team morale and chemistry. I'm all for Rip sitting for the next year+ until his contract expires, and save our amnesty for next off season. But if it's at the risk of repeating the drama of last season USE AMNESTY NOW. They must trade or cut Rip in order for this season to be successful even from a developmental standpoint. Fennis Good to be back!
While I agree with the wait-and-see approach to amnesty it ignores the elephant in the room — how can Rip, Stuckey, and Gordon occupy the SG sport without spite, anger, and or apathy that will undermine team morale and chemistry. I’m all for Rip sitting for the next year+ until his contract expires, and save our amnesty for next off season. But if it’s at the risk of repeating the drama of last season USE AMNESTY NOW. They must trade or cut Rip in order for this season to be successful even from a developmental standpoint.

Fennis

]]> By: Youssif http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37332 Youssif Thu, 01 Dec 2011 00:30:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37332 Amnesty Greg Monroe... send a sign that <em>nobody's</em> getting Rip or BG via free agency so we can boost their trade value.  Just kidding, amnesty BG. He's the most disappointing because, unlike CV, he arrived in the D with expectations. Amnesty Greg Monroe… send a sign that nobody’s getting Rip or BG via free agency so we can boost their trade value. 

Just kidding, amnesty BG. He’s the most disappointing because, unlike CV, he arrived in the D with expectations.

]]> By: rob http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/comment-page-1/#comment-37329 rob Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:33:44 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/11/pistons-dont-plan-to-use-amnesty-clause/#comment-37329 IMO, it makes sense for them to not rush into an amnesty, before fulling exploring all trade possibilities. For Gores, why dole out millions for nothing, when another team might be willing to pick up the tab? But, if they are going to amnesty someone they better find out their trade options quickly. Because if they wait too long to amnesty, they'll be no players left in FA to spend the cap space on anyways. So, they might be allowed to use it in-season, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense, if they were planning on using the cap space created to sign other players, as FA would over. I agree w/ others that they should know full well by now what this defunct collection of bums has to offer. I say spend the next week exploring trade offers, and if nothing comes, amnesty SOMEONE, so you have money to spend when FA starts on the 9th. IMO, it makes sense for them to not rush into an amnesty, before fulling exploring all trade possibilities. For Gores, why dole out millions for nothing, when another team might be willing to pick up the tab?

But, if they are going to amnesty someone they better find out their trade options quickly. Because if they wait too long to amnesty, they’ll be no players left in FA to spend the cap space on anyways.

So, they might be allowed to use it in-season, but it wouldn’t make a lot of sense, if they were planning on using the cap space created to sign other players, as FA would over.

I agree w/ others that they should know full well by now what this defunct collection of bums
has to offer. I say spend the next week exploring trade offers, and if nothing comes, amnesty SOMEONE, so you have money to spend when FA starts on the 9th.

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