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Austin Daye doesn’t project as a top junior

I ranked the NBA’s five best juniors for a recent 5-on-5, and unsurprisingly, Austin Daye didn’t make anyone’s list. But I picked two players the Pistons passed on in order to draft Daye:

Dan Feldman, PistonPowered: Jrue Holiday. Holiday progressed more than anyone not in discussion to win last year’s Most Improved Player (and more than several in contention for the award). Players’ growth curves tend to flatten each season as they approach their ceiling, but because Holiday spent most his time at UCLA playing off guard, he has more room to grow than average.

Dan Feldman, PistonPowered: Ty Lawson. Few players can match his speed and shooting ability, and he defends well for his size. If it weren’t for the last three words of the previous sentence, he’d probably be No. 1 on my list.

If it’s any consolation, the Pistons have a couple young point guards in Rodney Stuckey and Brandon Knight with the tools to be better than Holiday and Lawson.

29 Comments

  • Nov 9, 201112:54 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    I hope Dumars tries to trade Austin Daye for Beasley…I’ve been saying that since last season…

    • Nov 9, 20112:05 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      It’s great that you’ve been saying it for a long time. It would be nice, though, if you would say what incentive Minnesota would have to make that trade? Beasley is significantly better than Daye and he’s also a year younger. Plus, theoretically, if they did want to trade Beasley, it would be to clear the small forward spot for Derrick Williams, so why would they trade Beasley for another small forward in Daye?

      • Nov 9, 20116:32 pm
        by Laser

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        @Hayes: LMAO at your first sentence. also, i guess salary would be the one incentive that comes to mind, but daye is basically rubbish as far as i’m concerned. at least until he’s given a chance to prove a damn thing. something tells me he’s never going to average 20 minutes off the bench here, meaning he will never, ever develop and never have a very good career. the Pistons billed him as a potential matchup nightmare, and boy were they right… but they forgot to mention that the nightmare would be ours.

      • Nov 10, 20111:18 pm
        by Jodi Jezz

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        @Patty, Of course it wouldn’t be a Pistons and T’Wolves trade silly…We would work a 3-team trade…Maybe send Daye & Maxiell to the Bobcats, DJ Augistine/Terrico White to the T’Wolves, Beasley to the Pistons…In addition we send a 2nd round pick to the T’Wolves…Just one scenario…

        • Nov 10, 20113:53 pm
          by tarsier

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          A) Why the hell would the bobcats do that? Augustine is more valuable than Daye and Maxiell has negative value.
          B) Why the hell would the Wolves do that? PG is the one position arguably more crowded on their roster than forward.

          • Nov 10, 20114:13 pm
            by Jodi Jezz

            A) The Bobcats just drafted Kemba Walker remember and its DJ Augistine’s last year of his contract…
            B) The T’Wolves don’t have a starting caliber PG, they just traded Flinn to the Rockets remember…And Terrico White could fit in with the SG’s on there team…The Piston will also Include a 2nd round pick…

          • Nov 11, 201112:16 pm
            by tarsier

            I agree that the Bobcats would probably be happy to trade Augustin for a good deal with Walker on their team. But Daye < Augustin and Maxiell < 0, value-wise.

            And the Wolves definitely seem to believe that Rubio is a starting caliber PG. Plus they have Ridnour. But I will concede that if they thought Rubio wouldn’t work out, the deal might work on that end.

    • Nov 10, 20118:23 pm
      by Tiko

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      Jodi did u ever think of becoming a GM? u might be good at it!

      • Nov 11, 201112:51 am
        by DVS

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        Yeh he should be a GM…. just not for Detroit. Chicago on the other hand would be a great fit :)

        • Nov 11, 20111:17 am
          by Jodi Jezz

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          Yeah!!! I have fans, lol…I would make the Pistons or the Bulls a championship team…

          • Nov 11, 201111:34 am
            by DVS

            Please Jodi, go work for the bulls…
            You could then trade Rose and Noah to Detroit for Rip and Maxiel.
            because Chicago needs a shooting guard. hahahaha

  • Nov 9, 20111:57 pm
    by Laser

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    Knight is no consolation whatsoever, and the fact that somebody following the Pistons can still frame discussion about Stuckey in terms of being a “young point guard with tools” to do ANYTHING is horrifying. He’s not very young, he’s not a point guard, and his tools haven’t meant a thing to date. DaJuan Summers has a lot of physical tools too…

  • Nov 9, 20112:10 pm
    by Adams

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    Yeah, I agree that we need to stop talking about Stuckey like his is still an emerging point guard. Maybe on another team, but in Detroit he cant be out emerging shooting guard. I like Daye and don’t want any part of Beasley unless he’s coming for free.

    Thought it was weird to see Daye listed as a “junior”. i understand the rookie/sophomore thing because of all-Star weekend, but would a four year player be a senior? what about after that?

    • Nov 9, 20112:26 pm
      by dvs

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      There’s is actually a “seniors” 5 on 5 on espn. :)
       
      I think every pistons fan knows Stuckeys strengths and weaknesses by now.
      I’ll just say, get rid of Rip and BG asap and let Stuckey play his natural position.
       

      • Nov 9, 20113:29 pm
        by tarsier

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        if they’re gonna use this ridiculous nomenclature, why didn’t they call the rookies freshmen?

      • Nov 9, 20119:47 pm
        by Robbie

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        I agree with dvs about Stuckey and Trading Rip and BG or use the Amesty Clause on one or the other.. Stuckey I think would be a decent 2 guard cuz he can create most 2′s can’t and Stuckey is a decent wing defender which we need bad. Rip is a decent defender aswell but the age is a problem and BG couldn’t guard someone’s grandma in a wheelchair…..

        • Nov 10, 201111:39 am
          by tarsier

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          Getting rid of a player usually means getting back something similar. Dumars doesn’t have the option of trading BG or Rip for nothing. If you want to say “trade so and so,” at least give a plausible trade scenario to consider.

          • Nov 10, 20111:49 pm
            by dvs

            i realize that moving BG and Rip is easier said than done, but it should be one of Dumars first orders of business when the next season starts.
            moving rip wouldn’t be completely out of question given he was on the verge of being moved a few times last season and now he has even less money on his contract remaining. moving him for a player with a similarly bad contract but in a position on need would still help.
            BG is another story. I feel like it’s amnesty or nothing for him. I can’t see Gores paying him out though.
            as long as one of them is gone sometime soon, I’ll be happy.
            I just want to see Stuckey and knight starting together.

  • Nov 9, 20114:39 pm
    by jake

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    don’t re-sign tay, use the amnesty clause on gordon, let knight eventually win over the PG spot over stuckey who would grow into the 6th man role where he belongs, start rip at the 2 all year and move him at the deadline or in the offseason for cap space/draft picks, and suck bad enough to have a shot at drummond.

    i am 110% on board with that.

    • Nov 9, 20118:06 pm
      by tarsier

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      Hmmm… I’m still thinking maybe Rivers or Barnes.

  • Nov 9, 20115:14 pm
    by Adams

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    I agree with jake, except for the part about Stuckey at 6th man. I dont think Stuckey will be happy in a 6th man role, and it will show by his play/confidence. We need to give him one solid year, solely at starting SG. See if it works, if not ship him somewhere else.

  • Nov 9, 201111:50 pm
    by Tiko

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    lmfao at Jodi Jezz

    I never use the phrase lmfao either…

  • Nov 10, 20117:59 am
    by detroitpcb

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    Nima Zarrabi has a nice interview with Austin Daye posted on Hoopshype

  • Nov 11, 20114:00 am
    by bitabadaboo

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    beasley for maxiell and a second str8 up, maxiell is an expiring contract and a 2nd rounder or terrico or daye is incentive. either way the money adds up so there’s your plausible offer. quit being punks and let’s be the Bad Boys again…..

    • Nov 11, 201112:19 pm
      by tarsier

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      You seem to forget that Beasley still has value. Just because the Heat traded him for nothing, doesn’t mean that is his worth. It means they were desperate for cap space and had to deal with one of not very many teams who could take him without sending back a similar contract.

    • Nov 11, 20111:04 pm
      by Jodi Jezz

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      @bitabadaboo, I agree…Some of these Pistons fans have gone soft, lol…These Piston fans are Jerebko fans and are getting used to losing…

  • Nov 11, 201111:26 am
    by DVS

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    @ Jodi… You realize Minny has Rubio coming out this season and Luke Ridnour??
    They have their starting AND back up point guard covered.
    DJ augustine doesn’t equal Beasley even with Beasleys off court issues.
    Terrico has little to no trade value.

    • Nov 11, 20111:00 pm
      by Jodi Jezz

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      @DVS, come on…Rubio??? Have you seen him play, that guy isn’t going to be full-time starter in this league?? And Luke Ridnour??? hahaha…

  • Nov 11, 20112:17 pm
    by D_S_V

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    I think their Pistons Koolaid spout went dry. Yours, however, is still flowing strong. 

    Beasely does nothing good for the Pistons but add to “character issues” that this team needs to eradicate.

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