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Rodney Stuckey reportedly considering offer from Chinese team

ESPN’s Marc Stein is reporting that Rodney Stuckey is considering a deal in China that would not have a NBA out-clause:

The biggest hurdle for Guangdong to clear, though, is the same hurdle all Chinese teams face when trying to land NBA players: Stuckey would be unable to come back to the NBA until Guangdong’s season ends in the spring if he goes through with the deal.

If Stuckey elects to sign with the Tigers, he’d be obligated to stay with the Chinese team through the completion of the season in March even if the ongoing NBA lockout ends before that, thanks to rules instituted this season by the Chinese Basketball Association that prevent its teams from offering an in-season out to players signed away from the NBA.

Stuckey would join Denver Nuggets free agents J.R. Smith, Kenyon Martin and Wilson Chandler as NBA players who have accepted deals in China that wouldn’t allow them to come back to the NBA should the lockout end. If Stuckey signs, this would obviously put a little more pressure on Brandon Knight to be an immediate impact player.

26 Comments

  • Oct 25, 201111:36 am
    by Steve K

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    Please sign, Rodney.

    It’s been real.

  • Oct 25, 201112:05 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Nnnooo, don’t sign!! Just be patient and wait till the lockout is over…If Stuckey signs with China then we defiantly can’t start any chemistry with the Knight, Stuckey, Gordon strict 3 guard rotation…Those players need to just accept a 50-50 BRI and stop being greedy

    • Oct 25, 201112:29 pm
      by tarsier

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      Highly unlikely that Gordon is in the team’s long term future. If we are lucky, once he comes off the books, Detroit will have a strong core and some cap room though. Then the Pistons may be able to land a decent free agent and return to contention.

      • Oct 25, 20112:59 pm
        by Laser

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        yeah, i don’t get this guard madness that’s been taking over fans of this team. stuckey, gordon and knight would combine to form one of the smallest, least intriguing perimeters you ever saw. all the size of two average point guards and a shooting guard, plus nothing about their individual games or the significant sample size of stuckey and gordon paired together indicate this is a formula for even modest success. add to that the fact that rip and bynum are a part of this team until they aren’t, and god only knows why you’re fantasizing about this…
         
        wouldn’t it be more productive to dream about future lineups that are genuinely tempting and realistic? like, once we’ve got a reasonable core that’s got some kind of hierarchy?

        • Oct 25, 20113:35 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Agree with tarsier and laser. There isn’t anything particularly intriguing about Detroit’s backcourt right now. They have two overpaid vets in Rip/Gordon, one semi-vet who is in danger of being overpaid once he hits free agency in Stuckey and a very young player with upside in Knight. Of those guys, Knight is really the only one I’m looking forward to watching. We know what the other three are and really, none of the Stuckey/Rip/Gordon group should be looked at as any kind of long-term piece.

          I will admit that one combo I’m really looking forward to seeing is Jerebko-Monroe. I don’t necessarily think they are the future frontcourt, but both of those guys get after it so much on the offensive glass that I think they could potentially set up some easy shots out of those situations for themselves or teammates on the perimeter.

          • Oct 26, 20113:24 pm
            by Robbie

            Patrick I agree 100% with your post even the Jerebko and Monroe duo pretty interesting….

        • Oct 25, 20115:13 pm
          by Jodi Jezz

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          @Laser, How would that be one of the smallest perimeters?? Knight is 6’4, Stuckey is 6’5, and Gordon playing 6th man is 6’3…that’s bigger than other successful similar perimeters..Celtics has Rondo who is 6’1 and Allen is 6’5…Dallas has Kidd who is 6’2, Stevenson is 6’5 and Terry playing 6th man is 6’2…Memphis has Conley who is 6’1, Mayo is 6’4, and Tony Allen is 6’4…Miami has Chalmers who is 6’2 and Wade is 6’4…What are you talking about??
           
          @Patrick, Jerebko?? lol

          • Oct 25, 20116:23 pm
            by Laser

            @jodi: not trying to be rude here, but i don’t lend much credence to your posts. i’ll address this, but not because i think it needs to be explained. your whole approach is weird, starting with your level of anticipation for this uninspiring rotation.
             
            your references to boston and miami are useless, as you’ve identified one shooting guard and one point guard. there are pretty standard sizes for those positions, and basically every team has a little guard who primarily runs the offense (or “point” guard) and a bigger guard who tends to shoot the ball (or “shooting” guard). having one (1) of each on a roster is basically a prerequisite. so i’m not sure what you’re trying to point out there, since you have further examples that are actually somewhat relevant. on to those…
             
            when it comes to memphis, you’ve basically got a point guard and two shooting guards, which is normal. notionally, mayo is your offensive option at SG and allen your defensive one. you also have a backup point guard in grevis vasquez. i mean, you’re almost always going to have four guards in any rotation. and on paper, sure, mayo and allen are listed as being a mere inch taller than gordon, but in person it’s not that close. those guys are pretty big guards, at least with good size for shooting guards. gordon is undersized at that position. period. knight is also extremely thin. dude looks fourteen. he’s just not going to be the same 6’4 as tony allen, who’s big and strong enough to guard basically anyone on the perimeter.
             
            as for dallas, kidd is listed at 6’4, so you’re basically sunk right there if you wanted to make a point. when he and terry are on the floor together, he guards the two spot. and he’s got the size and strength to do it. but again, you also have their backup point guard, jj barea. you could have thrown him into the mix if you wanted to make a compelling argument, but i’ll do it for you. it’s probably no more or less complicated than the fact that dallas has better personnel than us. kidd is a future hall-of-famer who’s still playing at a high level, terry is a scoring machine, and barea stepped up.
             
            you’re getting so wet over these guys, but i just don’t think it’s that exciting a backcourt. i’d say “below average” sums it up alright. knight is an unknown quantity with a stick figure body, and gordon is trapped in a point guard’s body. i have NO IDEA which of these midgets is going to have to guard Dwyane Wade or Kobe or any guard with size at all. if you’ve got the upside of a terry-barea backcourt, you can probably get away with a lot more by relentlessly attacking on offense. there’s no reason in the world to assume our guys will even be above average offensively. gordon and stuckey were an uninspiring pair, and a skinny rookie is going to come in and galvanize them into a dynamic combination? not likely.
             
            plus you’ve got the problem of outright ignoring the existence of rip (whose size an length would be SORELY missed should dumars attempt this microscopic guard rotation) and bynum (who’s the smallest of the bunch and undersized at the point guard position but could conceivably be asked to guard full-sized shooting guards given his strength and peskiness, if the alternatives are gordon and knight).
             
            this argument is a waste of time. you don’t care. you think those guys would be the dream team. whatever.

        • Oct 25, 20118:05 pm
          by Jodi Jezz

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          @Laser, apparently you don’t know the game of basketball! Keep typing long posts…

          • Oct 25, 201110:38 pm
            by Laser

            yes. this works much better than an actual response. incidentally, i’m certain everybody here considers you an authority– nay, THE authority. Jodi Jezz. basketball guru. president of the Stuckey-Gordon-Knight fan club, just like anybody with an understanding of basketball would be!

  • Oct 25, 201112:26 pm
    by tarsier

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    That wouldn’t be too bad for Detroit. It would help clear out the logjam in the backcourt while not really removing one of their assets (I’m assuming the Pistons would retain the RFA rights to Stuckey when he returns to the NBA). And since they won’t be much of a team next year anyway, it ups the odds of landing a high pick. And Detroit really needs a superstar. Also, we get a better idea of Knight’s value. And Stuckey definitely gets to play whether there is a season or not.

  • Oct 25, 20111:18 pm
    by kamal

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    Please, please, please go.

  • Oct 25, 20113:02 pm
    by Laser

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    it would truly be the icing on the cake, wouldn’t it? spend every ounce of assets on building a team around him, crash and burn in such spectacular fashion that even joe dumars still doesn’t know what happened, and let him walk away for nothing at all. that’s some historically bad management right there.
     
    i basically hate stuckey as much as anyone, and i can’t wait to see him in another uni. but i don’t think i could stand not getting SOMETHING for all the trouble this guy brought to town.

    • Oct 25, 20113:30 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I believe the Pistons would retain his rights as a restricted free agent, although the new CBA might change that. It would be like when Josh Childress signed in Greece. When he came back a couple years later, he was still a restricted FA because the Hawks had extended a qualifying offer, as the Pistons have already done with Stuckey. The Hawks still held his rights and signed and traded him to PHX for a pick and trade exception.

    • Oct 25, 20114:20 pm
      by Steve K

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      No doubt it would be painful to get nothing in return.

      But wasn’t watching last year’s debacle (and the previous year’s for that matter) the real price we had to pay for building the “team” around Stuckey? 

      I’m guessing all parties are ready to move on. Though, with Joe, who the heck knows?! 

      If his goal is to get butts in the seats, bringing back Stuckey ain’t gonna accomplish that.

      • Oct 25, 20116:35 pm
        by Laser

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        oh we’ve been paying the hefty price for dumars’s wildly optimistic overestimation of stuckey, and we’ll continue to do so for years. i understand that much.
         
        but the thing is, the kid is actually one of our best players and best assets left (baically all of our other assets have been squandered in an attempt to build around stuckey). he can probably be a good NBA player for ten more years. he was just dreadfully miscast as a point guard, never ONCE getting the hang of the position, and was surrounded by players he’s woefully incompatible with (who, of course, were ironically hand-picked by joe to complement him). stuckey is probably one of the better sixth men in the league on the right team. when you’re as low on assets as the pistons are right now, you just can’t afford to let talent go for nothing. there isn’t a place for him on the team, but we can’t afford to lose him for nothing. THERE’S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY! there’s just got to.

        • Oct 26, 20117:04 am
          by Murph

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          “but the thing is, the kid is actually one of our best players and best assets left… he can probably be a good NBA player for ten more years. he was just dreadfully miscast as a point guard, never ONCE getting the hang of the position, and was surrounded by players he’s woefully incompatible with…  when you’re as low on assets as the pistons are right now, you just can’t afford to let talent go for nothing. there isn’t a place for him on the team, but we can’t afford to lose him for nothing. THERE’S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY! there’s just got to.”

          Exactly.

          And the better way is to resign Stuckey and hope you can trade or dump Gordon or Hamilton down the road.  And if you can’t trade or dump Gordon or Hamlton, then keep them until their contracts expire in 2 and 3 years.

          • Oct 26, 201111:35 am
            by Laser

            well, maybe the difference between you and me on this is that i’m not particularly attached to the idea of stuckey playing here; i would just be completely disgusted if, after all we’ve invested in the kid (read: WAAAAAY too much), we just let him walk away and shrug our shoulders.
             
            given the ability to reshape the roster more-or-less at will, i’d probably keep stuckey as a sixth man. maybe have bynum and stuckey come off the bench. that would be a pretty decent (maybe exciting, even) pair to bring off the bench. but it’s impossible to escape the restrictions this roster poses right now.
             
            i don’t think getting rid of rip is an issue anymore. two seasons left on his contract, the second one only partially guaranteed, the first one locked out for at least a month with no end in sight. but gordon is a serious problem on a roster like ours (loaded with guards, small ones, without much passing ability). the thing is, the upside to keeping stuckey isn’t nearly alluring enough to me to be worth waiting out gordon’s contract. so by the time we can reasonably expect gordon to be gone, stuckey will already be halfway through his new contract, and we’ll have suffered through two or three more dreadful seasons. and all so we can have what basically amounts to a good but expensive sixth man.
             
            i just don’t see the draw. better to trade him while he has decent value for some undervalued piece that could come here and excel. or a decent draft pick. we just gotta get something.

  • Oct 25, 20114:19 pm
    by Murph

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    I seem to be one of the few fans that wants Stuckey back.  Granted he’s not a great PG, but he’s an accomplished scorer, can penetrate, and plays decent defense.  And he could hold down the PG position until Knight is ready to start, and then move to SG.

    Based on his age, and what he’s probably worth next year as a free agent, I think Stuckey is a more attractive option at SG than either Gordon or Hamilton.  (Of course the trick will be to move Gordon and/or Hamitlon.)

    In an ideal world, I’d like to see Joe re-sign Stuckey and trade Gordon for a big man.  Then I’d be reasonably happy with some combination of Stuckey, Knight and Hamilton in the backcourt, with White and Bynum in reserve.

    • Oct 25, 20116:40 pm
      by Laser

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      sigh. yes, in our dream worlds we’re all constantly trading ben gordon for a big man.
       
      thing that most frustrates me about these conversations is that the “little trick” of what to do with the leftovers after they’ve picked all the pistons they’d prefer to keep. it’s treated like some afterthought or something, but if we’re going to have even remotely constructive hypothetical conversations, we need to work within the parameters of reality. or else it’s a complete waste of time. and no, “trade gordon for a big man” is not within the parameters of reality. we couldn’t trade him for eddy flippin’ curry.

      • Oct 26, 20116:57 am
        by Murph

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        sigh.  Whatever.  My point is, Stuckey is a better option than Gordon or Hamilton, based on his age and the contract he will sign.  And it’s not Stuckey’s fault that Joe signed Gordon and Hamilton to over-priced contracts years ago.  So to let Stuckey walk, because of Joe’s past mistakes, is only compounding the original mistakes.

        But, I disagree in the first place.  I think it is entirely possible to trade Gordon or Hamitlon, even if they have to be dumped for “eddy flippin’ curry”.  But even if they can’t be traded, Joe should resign Stuckey and keep Gordon and Hamilton until their contracts expire.

  • Oct 25, 20114:40 pm
    by dvs

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    I hope stuckey is resigned for a reasonable deal and joe can finally rid the team of Rip and Bg.
    Stuckey plays hard on both ends of the court and he could be a good running partner for knight when knight is ready to start.
    Rip and BG(and their contracts) are far more detrimental to the team.
     

    • Oct 25, 20114:44 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I agree that Stuckey is better than Rip and Gordon and can probably be retained for a more reasonable price, but I’m not so rue he plays all that hard. Sometimes he does, but his effort has been plenty questionable too at times, particularly on defense, where he should be among with best defensive guards in the league based on his mix of size/strength/quickness. I hope Stuckey is back on a modest deal, but I also hope he makes a more consistent effort as well.

  • Oct 25, 20116:40 pm
    by mcfadden

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    i wonder who the best possible player we could get in a trade straight up for stuckey…

    • Oct 25, 20116:41 pm
      by Laser

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      I’d settle for Nazr Mohammed.

      • Oct 26, 201111:42 am
        by tarsier

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        Why would the Pistons want Mohammed? He’s not an asset at all. Not a liability either but he is an average big sub signed at about market price. He is the sort of player who is available every free agency for the price he is signed at (like a Chris Wilcox). Exactly the same as letting Stuckey walk for nothing.

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