Comments on: Charlie Villanueva leading amnesty-clause victim for the Detroit Pistons http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 25 May 2013 03:53:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Stuck http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-37268 Stuck Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:24:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-37268 Please get rid of CV.  Extend Jerebko while you can on the cheap. Jerebko is a STUD and CV is just SLOW. Please get rid of CV.  Extend Jerebko while you can on the cheap. Jerebko is a STUD and CV is just SLOW.

]]> By: Stuck http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-37267 Stuck Tue, 29 Nov 2011 05:23:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-37267 Please get rid of CV.  Extend Jerebko while you can on the cheap. Jerebko is a STUD and CV is just SLOW. Please get rid of CV.  Extend Jerebko while you can on the cheap.
Jerebko is a STUD and CV is just SLOW.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36998 tarsier Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:50:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36998 Resigning Stuckey is not necessarily a good idea. It all depends on the price tag. Assuming a lockout shortened free agency to 3 weeks, Dumars should initially wait and see what the market is (a week or so). That should be enough time to get most of the desirable free agents off the market. If Stuckey has an offer by then, it's simple: decide if he is worth that much and match or decline accordingly. If not, his value will have to have dropped with all the other good free agents getting deals and him not. Then Dumars should give him a low ball offer: maybe 4 yrs/$15M. If after a week, he hasn't taken it and nobody else has given an offer, he can go up a bit to maybe 5 yrs/$25M. If Stuckey doesn't want that either and has no other offers, let him take the QO and try to negotiate an extension or trade him before he walks next offseason. Resigning Stuckey is not necessarily a good idea. It all depends on the price tag. Assuming a lockout shortened free agency to 3 weeks, Dumars should initially wait and see what the market is (a week or so). That should be enough time to get most of the desirable free agents off the market. If Stuckey has an offer by then, it’s simple: decide if he is worth that much and match or decline accordingly. If not, his value will have to have dropped with all the other good free agents getting deals and him not. Then Dumars should give him a low ball offer: maybe 4 yrs/$15M. If after a week, he hasn’t taken it and nobody else has given an offer, he can go up a bit to maybe 5 yrs/$25M. If Stuckey doesn’t want that either and has no other offers, let him take the QO and try to negotiate an extension or trade him before he walks next offseason.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36997 tarsier Wed, 02 Nov 2011 03:44:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36997 Are DSV and DVS different people? if so, that's really weird and slightly confusing. If not, I'm surprised I've seen so many posts from both names lately. Are DSV and DVS different people? if so, that’s really weird and slightly confusing. If not, I’m surprised I’ve seen so many posts from both names lately.

]]> By: DVS http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36992 DVS Tue, 01 Nov 2011 20:33:55 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36992 @Jodi... daye, Gordon and and a future 1st may get us value, but look at that trade from atlantas perspective. BG has a huge contract and plays the same position as Joe Johnson who has an even bigger contract. Daye and a future 1st doesn't give them enough incentive to move a player of josh smiths caliber, especially when you consider his age. getting Okafor would be a great addition for us, but what will it cost us. His contract is a big one and giving up a guy like jonas and a future pick is a little too much IMO. Rebuilding teams should really hold onto their 1st rounders. Keep in mind jonas won't get a huge contract, but he's a young productive starting caliber guy with room to develop. and that's only in isolation. look at our team as a whole, jonas is one of very few that works his butt off every game at both ends of the court, I'd be very reluctant to trade him away ATM. he's the type of player we need on this team. if we can offer something like Rip, Max and smaller incentive for okafor as a salary dump for them, then yeah that works for me, but putting in a lot of assets into a trade that nets us a guy that gets paid like an all star but doesn't produce like one doesn't make sense to me. @Jodi…
daye, Gordon and and a future 1st may get us value, but look at that trade from atlantas perspective. BG has a huge contract and plays the same position as Joe Johnson who has an even bigger contract.
Daye and a future 1st doesn’t give them enough incentive to move a player of josh smiths caliber, especially when you consider his age.
getting Okafor would be a great addition for us, but what will it cost us. His contract is a big one and giving up a guy like jonas and a future pick is a little too much IMO. Rebuilding teams should really hold onto their 1st rounders.
Keep in mind jonas won’t get a huge contract, but he’s a young productive starting caliber guy with room to develop. and that’s only in isolation. look at our team as a whole, jonas is one of very few that works his butt off every game at both ends of the court, I’d be very reluctant to trade him away ATM. he’s the type of player we need on this team.
if we can offer something like Rip, Max and smaller incentive for okafor as a salary dump for them, then yeah that works for me, but putting in a lot of assets into a trade that nets us a guy that gets paid like an all star but doesn’t produce like one doesn’t make sense to me.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36987 tarsier Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:38:45 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36987 Cleveland is rebuilding smarter than any other team in the league right now. Taking on bad contracts that come with nice future assets. Now if they have a lick of sesne, they will trade Varejaoand any other present assets for future assets so that their whole team can come to fruition at once as the bad deals come off the books. Cleveland is rebuilding smarter than any other team in the league right now. Taking on bad contracts that come with nice future assets. Now if they have a lick of sesne, they will trade Varejaoand any other present assets for future assets so that their whole team can come to fruition at once as the bad deals come off the books.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36986 tarsier Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:35:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36986 No the best scenario for the Pistons is to stink it up until they draft a superstar (at any position). In the meantime, their bad contracts can expire so they will have some cap space and they can acquire a few more lesser assets in drafts and whatnot. Then, once they are sure they have an upcoming superstar, they use their cap space to get another very good player (probably not a superstar but someone of Josh Smith caliber). Finally, they trade a few of their good but not great prospects for another very good player. Then they can be serious contenders. As things currently stand, they don't have a great team, but they can't trade their way there. You pretty much need a superstar. Only one team in history has won a title without one. And those Pistons had two fringe all-stars (I know Ben Wallace was really an all-star but talent-wise, I consider him a fringe all-star. He got in because there were two good centers in the league and they were both in the west) on basically MLEs, another on a rookie-scale contract, still had to pull off the Sheed deal, and were still heavy underdogs. No the best scenario for the Pistons is to stink it up until they draft a superstar (at any position). In the meantime, their bad contracts can expire so they will have some cap space and they can acquire a few more lesser assets in drafts and whatnot. Then, once they are sure they have an upcoming superstar, they use their cap space to get another very good player (probably not a superstar but someone of Josh Smith caliber). Finally, they trade a few of their good but not great prospects for another very good player. Then they can be serious contenders.

As things currently stand, they don’t have a great team, but they can’t trade their way there. You pretty much need a superstar. Only one team in history has won a title without one. And those Pistons had two fringe all-stars (I know Ben Wallace was really an all-star but talent-wise, I consider him a fringe all-star. He got in because there were two good centers in the league and they were both in the west) on basically MLEs, another on a rookie-scale contract, still had to pull off the Sheed deal, and were still heavy underdogs.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36985 tarsier Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:23:23 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36985 Daye is a marginal prospect. Gordon has negative value (cuz he is paid much more than he is worth). Josh Smith is an all-star caliber player who is young, efficient, strong on defense, and doesn't need the ball to be effective (if he stopped shooting 3s again, he'd be any contender's wet dream). That trade is so far from happening. Beasley could happen though. And if you are trading away Daye and Jerekbko, he'd be great to have. Give him a chance to try to grow or at least establish more trade value then he'll get in the crowded rotation in Minny. Prince, Bynum, and Jerebko are definitely enough to fetch Okafor though. I'm not quite sure how you would 3-team it, but it is at least plausible. Daye is a marginal prospect. Gordon has negative value (cuz he is paid much more than he is worth). Josh Smith is an all-star caliber player who is young, efficient, strong on defense, and doesn’t need the ball to be effective (if he stopped shooting 3s again, he’d be any contender’s wet dream). That trade is so far from happening. Beasley could happen though. And if you are trading away Daye and Jerekbko, he’d be great to have. Give him a chance to try to grow or at least establish more trade value then he’ll get in the crowded rotation in Minny.

Prince, Bynum, and Jerebko are definitely enough to fetch Okafor though. I’m not quite sure how you would 3-team it, but it is at least plausible.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36984 tarsier Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:13:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36984 You really think it's any kind of guarantee that Knight is a better PG as a rookie than Stuckey was last year? Stuckey is a combo guard through and through. He's not just a PG but he can play the position very adequately and in any other era would probably be an above average starting PG. I'm not crazy about the guy, but I definitely think there is less than a 50% chance that the very raw Knight will be a better PG his rookie season. You really think it’s any kind of guarantee that Knight is a better PG as a rookie than Stuckey was last year?
Stuckey is a combo guard through and through. He’s not just a PG but he can play the position very adequately and in any other era would probably be an above average starting PG. I’m not crazy about the guy, but I definitely think there is less than a 50% chance that the very raw Knight will be a better PG his rookie season.

]]> By: Jodi Jezz http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/comment-page-1/#comment-36981 Jodi Jezz Tue, 01 Nov 2011 16:18:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/10/charlie-villanueva-leading-amnesty-clause-victim-for-the-detroit-pistons/#comment-36981 @DVS, maybe a Daye, Gordon, and future 1st rounder can get us josh smith...Or a Rip, Daye, and future 1st rounder can get us josh smith...We could get Okafor in a three team trade involving S&T Prince, Bynum, and Jerebko...There are possibilities! @DVS, maybe a Daye, Gordon, and future 1st rounder can get us josh smith…Or a Rip, Daye, and future 1st rounder can get us josh smith…We could get Okafor in a three team trade involving S&T Prince, Bynum, and Jerebko…There are possibilities!

]]>