Comments on: Was Charlie Villanueva cursed by his 48-point game as a rookie?

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:21:23 +0000

No, he’s not right. Not even close to right in fact. As I said, the average salary of a NBA starter is over $7 million per year. So Villanueva makes about the average among NBA starters. Also, he’s the Pistons’ third highest paid player. Also, he makes more money per year than Ben Wallace or Chauncey Billups did on the 2004 title team. I don’t understand how anyone can consider his salarly to be “bench player” money.

By: PistonsFanForLife

PistonsFanForLife — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 04:17:17 +0000

Patrick, I think Jodi Jezz is right. Villanueva does get paid bench player salary. Ben Gordon/Rip Hamilton gets paid starting player salary. I think Villanueva is a good fit for the pistons. He just needs to play better defense

By: Laser

Laser — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 23:04:51 +0000

Personally, I think there’s an important distinction between wanting to please people and wanting people to be pleased. I’m certain Charlie wants people to be pleased, but I get the feeling he can’t be bothered to do squat to please them.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:10:46 +0000

Also, sixth men in the sense of players who are serious candidates for the sixth man award tend to have contracts and roles like those of starters. Because they aren’t sixth men in the sense of getting the sixth most minutes on their teams.

By: Ryan78

Ryan78 — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:09:04 +0000

Pat just owned you

By: tarsier

tarsier — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:07:27 +0000

Ha! Horrible nonfiction facts! In other words, things that are true but that unfortunately suck. With the direction the team has taken of late, most Pistons’ writers and fans have written a lot of horrible nonfiction facts. Your best exception would be Keith Langlois. He writes a ton of wonderful fiction “facts” on how good the Pistons are and how promising their immediate future is (less of late because of lockout rules).

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 18:51:01 +0000

"CV gets paid like a starting caliber player???"

Yes. He makes $7.5 million, $8 million and $8.5 million over the next three years. The average salary for a NBA starter is right around $7 million per year. This data is available. You can look it up for yourself at HoopsHype or Sham Sports.

"His contract screams sixth man if you compare his contract to other sixth man in the league…Lamar Odom, Marvin Williams, and Wesley Mathews all have similar contracts"

Marvin Williams started 52 of the 65 games he played last season. Wes Matthews started 69 of the 82 games he played in. They are not sixth men, they are starters. Lamar Odom was a sixth man last season. He made $8.9 million. He also averaged 14 points and 9 rebounds per game because he's a much better player than Villanueva.

"These Pistons writers are ignorant when it comes to professional basketball!"

For the record, you just said that Villanueva's contract is reasonable because he makes roughly the same amount as Wes Matthews, Marvin Williams and Lamar Odom, three players that are all superior players to Villanueva. And in the case of Odom and Matthews, those two are light years better than Villanueva. So again, you questioning my basketball intelligence is a compliment if this and other comments you've left are any indication of your knowledge of the game.

"All they do is put down my team with horrible nonfiction facts…"

I don't know exactly what a nonfiction fact is. A fact that is also true?

Listen man. I get what you do. You troll here. You post silly BS to get a rise. That's fine, I understand how trolls operate. I'm just throwing this out there though ... it doesn't have to be that way. If you disagree with something, feel free to say, "Hey, that's not right for x and y reasons." Or if something is unclear, say "Hey, why did you arrive at that conclusion? Did you consider this?" That's how conversations work. There are commenters who we disagree with but have perfectly reasonable conversations and dialogue with down here.

The other option is simply to find a new site that fits your needs better. You don't have to like what we write. But if you don't, the best thing for you to do is move along. I certainly don't waste much time commenting on sites where I think the writers are dumb or poorly informed. If that's your opinion of us here, I really can't understand why you would want to waste your time here.

By: Jodi Jezz

Jodi Jezz — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:57:39 +0000

CV gets paid like a starting caliber player??? His contract screams sixth man if you compare his contract to other sixth man in the league…Lamar Odom, Marvin Williams, and Wesley Mathews all have similar contracts…These Pistons writers are ignorant when it comes to professional basketball! All they do is put down my team with horrible nonfiction facts…

By: Jacob

Jacob — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:53:10 +0000

I honestly like CV as a person – not that I know him personally – but he’s entertaining and fan friendly, and seems like a good locker room guy. I don’t mind him being a Piston. The problem here comes from expectations. He’s getting paid quality starter’s money and the reality is that he probably will never be that. He’s a guy that can come off the bench and get you 15-20 minutes of scoring – maybe leave him in longer if his shot is wet ala a slightly better Jarvis Hayes. If we can solidify the frontcourt and put him in a role like that I think everyone might accept him more. Unfortunately there’s his contract…..

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 17:11:45 +0000

Mills was pretty bad defensively, but the dude rebounded much much better than CV.