Comments on: Pistons hire Charles Klask, the Magic’s “statistical guru” http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 17:57:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Pistons hire Magic’s stats wizard scout | ProBasketballTalk http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35973 Pistons hire Magic’s stats wizard scout | ProBasketballTalk Sun, 18 Sep 2011 13:01:45 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35973 [...] Piston Powered) Skip to Comments Tweet Email No Comments (Feed for Comments) Leave [...] [...] Piston Powered) Skip to Comments Tweet Email No Comments (Feed for Comments) Leave [...]

]]> By: Murph http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35972 Murph Sun, 18 Sep 2011 12:41:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35972 Right.  Battier is always the example of the kind of player "the stat boys" love.  He's an under-valued (under-paid), defensive oriented player that always does very well in all the +/- statistical matrixes. Right.  Battier is always the example of the kind of player “the stat boys” love.  He’s an under-valued (under-paid), defensive oriented player that always does very well in all the +/- statistical matrixes.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35971 tarsier Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:46:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35971 You can certainly never have too much defense. And if you could get Smoove and Iggy, that would definitely be the way to go. But I don't think one of those plus Howard would be a contender. And they each have at least as much value as Ellis or Granger. So it becomes a matter of what is affordable. Get the best compliment that you have enough trade bait for. You can certainly never have too much defense. And if you could get Smoove and Iggy, that would definitely be the way to go. But I don’t think one of those plus Howard would be a contender. And they each have at least as much value as Ellis or Granger. So it becomes a matter of what is affordable. Get the best compliment that you have enough trade bait for.

]]> By: neutes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35953 neutes Fri, 16 Sep 2011 17:48:49 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35953 I'd go the opposite direction. I'd want Josh Smith or Igoudala if I we're the Magic. I'd go after Battier. I would put together a team nobody could score against. Trying to compliment Howard by getting a stretch 4 is the wrong strategy. Go hard. Make it so nobody wants the play you. The Magic kept trying to find scorers because they had the most dominant defensive presence in the NBA. My take - you can never have enough defense. I’d go the opposite direction. I’d want Josh Smith or Igoudala if I we’re the Magic. I’d go after Battier. I would put together a team nobody could score against. Trying to compliment Howard by getting a stretch 4 is the wrong strategy. Go hard. Make it so nobody wants the play you. The Magic kept trying to find scorers because they had the most dominant defensive presence in the NBA. My take – you can never have enough defense.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35952 tarsier Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:51:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35952 The Arenas trade didn't seem that terrible. I mean, they had one way overpaid guy that they swapped for another in the hopes that maybe a different setting would make something click. A reasonable hope in Arenas' case given his past. It obviously didn't turn out well, but that didn't seem like a horrible move. However, I do think they should have gone harder after players like Ellis and Granger--offering basically anything but Howard for them. Because Howard + one very good outside scorer = contender. Dwight is just that good. The Arenas trade didn’t seem that terrible. I mean, they had one way overpaid guy that they swapped for another in the hopes that maybe a different setting would make something click. A reasonable hope in Arenas’ case given his past. It obviously didn’t turn out well, but that didn’t seem like a horrible move. However, I do think they should have gone harder after players like Ellis and Granger–offering basically anything but Howard for them. Because Howard + one very good outside scorer = contender. Dwight is just that good.

]]> By: Murph http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35950 Murph Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:39:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35950 While I welcome a quant guy on the Pistons staff, I'm not sure this is exactly the quant guy we need.  Joe has been very late to the quantitative analysis party.   If I'm not mistaken many teams , such as the Nuggests and Rockets have been utiltizing quantitative analysis for 5 or 10 years now. Let's hope for the best with this guy. While I welcome a quant guy on the Pistons staff, I’m not sure this is exactly the quant guy we need. 
Joe has been very late to the quantitative analysis party.   If I’m not mistaken many teams , such as the Nuggests and Rockets have been utiltizing quantitative analysis for 5 or 10 years now.

Let’s hope for the best with this guy.

]]> By: neutes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35948 neutes Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:31:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35948 Well I think the Millen/Mayhew front office makes your point valid. But really, why hire a 'stats guru' if you aren't going to listen to them? I don't think he was in any way involved in personnel decisions. I think he's basically an advanced scout of some sort. The thought that whatever data he was analyzing led him to recommend or support the decisions Otis Smith has made is a scary thought. Also scary is that when you look at how the Magic used the roster they had, which was basically a failure to put their best players on the floor, you have to question his ability transform stats into something valuable. Well I think the Millen/Mayhew front office makes your point valid. But really, why hire a ‘stats guru’ if you aren’t going to listen to them? I don’t think he was in any way involved in personnel decisions. I think he’s basically an advanced scout of some sort. The thought that whatever data he was analyzing led him to recommend or support the decisions Otis Smith has made is a scary thought. Also scary is that when you look at how the Magic used the roster they had, which was basically a failure to put their best players on the floor, you have to question his ability transform stats into something valuable.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35946 Patrick Hayes Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:26:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35946 <p>They've certainly wasted the luxury of having the best big man in the league and a top five player. As for playing Bass/Lewis, I think any coach, whether he thought those guys were any good or not, would be under pressure to play people signed to the contracts those guys were signed to, particularly Lewis. GMs aren't going to be shown up by the coach, so benching a $20 million a year player in favor of a guy like Anderson probably was just not going to happen no matter who the coach was.</p> They’ve certainly wasted the luxury of having the best big man in the league and a top five player. As for playing Bass/Lewis, I think any coach, whether he thought those guys were any good or not, would be under pressure to play people signed to the contracts those guys were signed to, particularly Lewis. GMs aren’t going to be shown up by the coach, so benching a $20 million a year player in favor of a guy like Anderson probably was just not going to happen no matter who the coach was.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35944 Patrick Hayes Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:23:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35944 <p>Well, even if he was involved in personnel decisions that doesn't mean he agreed with them. I don't think anyone, statistically inclined or otherwise, other than Otis Smith would've supported signing Lewis to that ridic contract or trading for Arenas' contract. Those moves seemed like Smith acting unilaterally.</p> Well, even if he was involved in personnel decisions that doesn’t mean he agreed with them. I don’t think anyone, statistically inclined or otherwise, other than Otis Smith would’ve supported signing Lewis to that ridic contract or trading for Arenas’ contract. Those moves seemed like Smith acting unilaterally.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/comment-page-1/#comment-35943 tarsier Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:14:43 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/pistons-hire-charles-klask-the-magics-statistical-guru/#comment-35943 Yeah because a front office that has made some bad decisions must be completely devoid of quality. Yeah because a front office that has made some bad decisions must be completely devoid of quality.

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