Comments on: Jason Maxiell comes in at No. 239 in the ESPN #NBARank http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:43:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35792 tarsier Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:43 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35792 By soon, I meant before the majority of Detroit's bad contracts. And until most of them are gone, the Pistons are financially handicapped anyway. So two years is relatively "soon." By soon, I meant before the majority of Detroit’s bad contracts. And until most of them are gone, the Pistons are financially handicapped anyway. So two years is relatively “soon.”

]]> By: Murph http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35790 Murph Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:40:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35790 JMax sucks.  The best we can hope for is that his contract is included in a trade as filler to make the salaries work. JMax sucks.  The best we can hope for is that his contract is included in a trade as filler to make the salaries work.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35751 Laser Thu, 08 Sep 2011 18:47:30 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35751 @hayes: i'm with you to an extent. i'm sure you're right about his rebounding (and with his skill set, not being a capable rebounder is downright inexcusable) but it's not just about consistent role and minutes with max. he needs a very specific, limited role to be useful. your anecdotal evidence that his extended time as a starter means little to me, because that's a bad role for him. you can leave him there all year and i'm not going to look too much into it.   just as with rip and gordon, i'd have to see him in a position to succeed before making any firm judgments about what he can contribute. @hayes: i’m with you to an extent. i’m sure you’re right about his rebounding (and with his skill set, not being a capable rebounder is downright inexcusable) but it’s not just about consistent role and minutes with max. he needs a very specific, limited role to be useful. your anecdotal evidence that his extended time as a starter means little to me, because that’s a bad role for him. you can leave him there all year and i’m not going to look too much into it.
 
just as with rip and gordon, i’d have to see him in a position to succeed before making any firm judgments about what he can contribute.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35750 Laser Thu, 08 Sep 2011 18:36:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35750 your assumption that he'll be off the books "soon" is vague and baseless. personally, i think he's probably rather movable, but right now he's on the books for two more seasons until he isn't. your assumption that he’ll be off the books “soon” is vague and baseless. personally, i think he’s probably rather movable, but right now he’s on the books for two more seasons until he isn’t.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35748 Patrick Hayes Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:55:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35748 <p>Yeah, he's overpaid, but his deal isn't horrible. I just would be shocked if he's in a good team's rotation again.</p> Yeah, he’s overpaid, but his deal isn’t horrible. I just would be shocked if he’s in a good team’s rotation again.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35744 tarsier Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:26:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35744 But at least he will be off the books soon. Now he is basically just a mid-sized contract to be added to or removed from deals to make salaries work. But at least he will be off the books soon. Now he is basically just a mid-sized contract to be added to or removed from deals to make salaries work.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35742 Patrick Hayes Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:12:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35742 <p>The problem with Maxiell is the rebounding. I get with some of the offensive-minded players that coaching/role/etc. could impact their production. But Maxiell, in Kuester's first year was given a prolonged opportunity as a starter and actually <a href="http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2010/01/jason_maxiells_production_decr.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">played worse as a starter than a reserve</a>.</p> <p>The issue for him is rebounding. His rebound rate dropped from 15.7 to 11.4. That's a huge, significant drop. And it's not like the Gordon/Hamilton excuse of "neither guy could get comfortable with inconsistent minutes" thing works with Maxiell. He's always played inconsistent minutes in his career, always had a poorly defined role, but he's still produced at a high level based on per-minute and advanced stats. He's 28 now, he's heavier than he used to be and he hasn't added much to his game. If he's not rebounding, there's no reason to have him on the court, and good teams will know that and be leery of trading for him.</p> The problem with Maxiell is the rebounding. I get with some of the offensive-minded players that coaching/role/etc. could impact their production. But Maxiell, in Kuester’s first year was given a prolonged opportunity as a starter and actually played worse as a starter than a reserve.

The issue for him is rebounding. His rebound rate dropped from 15.7 to 11.4. That’s a huge, significant drop. And it’s not like the Gordon/Hamilton excuse of “neither guy could get comfortable with inconsistent minutes” thing works with Maxiell. He’s always played inconsistent minutes in his career, always had a poorly defined role, but he’s still produced at a high level based on per-minute and advanced stats. He’s 28 now, he’s heavier than he used to be and he hasn’t added much to his game. If he’s not rebounding, there’s no reason to have him on the court, and good teams will know that and be leery of trading for him.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/jason-maxiell-comes-in-at-no-239-in-the-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35740 Laser Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:56:24 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7499#comment-35740 i still think, as with mot current pistons, he could contribute to a good team. he'd be a hell of a fourth big on a team like the lakers or celtics. the celtics tried to get him from us a summer or two ago, and i think he would have been a good get for them. plus, five million a year isn't that much for a rotation caliber big man on a contending team (considering he'd be about 5% of the lakers' payroll, more or less). but on this team, the entire front line is a mess and we just don't have the personnel to play ahead of him.   if we had three solid bigs capable of 25-30 minutes of consistent, solid production on both ends, max would be a nice change-of-pace energy guy to bring in for 15 minutes a game. but when the pecking order is so ill-defined and the talent is so thin, there's no room for him. you can't sensibly play five big men, and there's just not enough talent ahead of him to play him in the right role. instead, you've just got to mix-and-match four other guys for 20-some minutes apiece. i still think, as with mot current pistons, he could contribute to a good team. he’d be a hell of a fourth big on a team like the lakers or celtics. the celtics tried to get him from us a summer or two ago, and i think he would have been a good get for them. plus, five million a year isn’t that much for a rotation caliber big man on a contending team (considering he’d be about 5% of the lakers’ payroll, more or less). but on this team, the entire front line is a mess and we just don’t have the personnel to play ahead of him.
 
if we had three solid bigs capable of 25-30 minutes of consistent, solid production on both ends, max would be a nice change-of-pace energy guy to bring in for 15 minutes a game. but when the pecking order is so ill-defined and the talent is so thin, there’s no room for him. you can’t sensibly play five big men, and there’s just not enough talent ahead of him to play him in the right role. instead, you’ve just got to mix-and-match four other guys for 20-some minutes apiece.

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