Comments on: Charlie Villanueva listed at No. 191, Will Bynum at No. 188 in ESPN #NBARank http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:07:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: RyanK http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35951 RyanK Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:32:16 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35951 Everytime I see CV putting on that stupid headband and walking over to the scorer's table I want to throw up.  Putting the ball in his hands is like throwing it into a blackhole.  If he's not hitting the three ball, what value is he?  He doesn't defend, he doesn't rebound, and he doesn't pass.  The man is almost 7 feet tall and he plays like he's 6-6 taking perimeter shots. Maybe we can talk the T-wolves into taking CV.  Kahn has a reputation for stupid moves. Everytime I see CV putting on that stupid headband and walking over to the scorer’s table I want to throw up.  Putting the ball in his hands is like throwing it into a blackhole.  If he’s not hitting the three ball, what value is he?  He doesn’t defend, he doesn’t rebound, and he doesn’t pass.  The man is almost 7 feet tall and he plays like he’s 6-6 taking perimeter shots.
Maybe we can talk the T-wolves into taking CV.  Kahn has a reputation for stupid moves.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35945 tarsier Fri, 16 Sep 2011 13:24:31 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35945 Gotta love how you are the only commenter who thinks that is a mistake. Gotta love how you are the only commenter who thinks that is a mistake.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35939 Patrick Hayes Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:58:13 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35939 <p>To be honest, I probably wouldn't be able to remember the exact score I gave every player. There were so many voters ESPN used, that it was just a poll that went out so to my knowledge, the individual votes aren't saved anywhere. But I think my order/scores were nearly the same as yours except I think I had Jerebko and McGrady in the 5 range if I remember correctly.</p> To be honest, I probably wouldn’t be able to remember the exact score I gave every player. There were so many voters ESPN used, that it was just a poll that went out so to my knowledge, the individual votes aren’t saved anywhere. But I think my order/scores were nearly the same as yours except I think I had Jerebko and McGrady in the 5 range if I remember correctly.

]]> By: neutes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35934 neutes Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:20:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35934 It's kind of cool to see how the outside world feels about the Pistons players.  Not sure how either of you two graded them (maybe you should reveal that at the end), but if I had to rate the Pistons players I'd go: Macklin: 0 Summers: 0 White: 0 Singler: 1 Maxiell: 1 Villanueva: 2 Knight: 2 Gordon: 3 Wallace: 3 Bynum: 4 Wilcox: 4 Daye: 4 Rip: 4 Mcgrady: 4 Jerebko: 4 Prince: 5 Stuckey: 5 Monroe: 7 Also the order I'd have them ranked in a top 500. It’s kind of cool to see how the outside world feels about the Pistons players. 

Not sure how either of you two graded them (maybe you should reveal that at the end), but if I had to rate the Pistons players I’d go:

Macklin: 0
Summers: 0
White: 0
Singler: 1
Maxiell: 1
Villanueva: 2
Knight: 2
Gordon: 3
Wallace: 3
Bynum: 4
Wilcox: 4
Daye: 4
Rip: 4
Mcgrady: 4
Jerebko: 4
Prince: 5
Stuckey: 5
Monroe: 7

Also the order I’d have them ranked in a top 500.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35931 Patrick Hayes Fri, 16 Sep 2011 00:41:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35931 <p>I've found that a handful of players are getting by on reputation more than current ability, and Gordon will probably be one of those guys who will be ranked too high. I think some national writers/media folks remember him more from Chicago and haven't grasped how far his production has fallen the past two seasons.</p> I’ve found that a handful of players are getting by on reputation more than current ability, and Gordon will probably be one of those guys who will be ranked too high. I think some national writers/media folks remember him more from Chicago and haven’t grasped how far his production has fallen the past two seasons.

]]> By: Jodi Jezz http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35929 Jodi Jezz Thu, 15 Sep 2011 22:33:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35929 hahaha! Bynum has a higher rank than Charlie V?? Who in the world are rating these players?! How many points and turnovers did Bynum average again last season? hahaha! Bynum has a higher rank than Charlie V?? Who in the world are rating these players?! How many points and turnovers did Bynum average again last season?

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35928 Laser Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:33:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35928 i'm very happy bynum beat out charlie hustle, not sure how i feel about gordon beating out bynum. he's a better shooter by any standard, but i know which one i'd rather have on my team at any price. also, as cool as it was for jj to rank around 200, ditto for him over charlie. 100 times out of 100 on both counts. i’m very happy bynum beat out charlie hustle, not sure how i feel about gordon beating out bynum. he’s a better shooter by any standard, but i know which one i’d rather have on my team at any price. also, as cool as it was for jj to rank around 200, ditto for him over charlie. 100 times out of 100 on both counts.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35927 tarsier Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:23:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35927 I wasn't faulting you for the stat. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with pointing it out. I was just trying to say that it doesn't mean much. But yeah, it's probably safe to say that if CV doubled his rebounding, there'd be fewer complaints about him. Heck, if just his scoring was consistent and efficient, that would make a huge difference. I wasn’t faulting you for the stat. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with pointing it out. I was just trying to say that it doesn’t mean much. But yeah, it’s probably safe to say that if CV doubled his rebounding, there’d be fewer complaints about him. Heck, if just his scoring was consistent and efficient, that would make a huge difference.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35926 Patrick Hayes Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:16:55 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35926 <p>Based on the comments on this site over the last year (not a scientific assessment, I know), not really. I think he's easily the player who there are the most negative comments about, with Gordon probably second and Hamilton/Stuckey vying for third. But while Hamilton, Gordon and Stuckey have a lot of detractors, all three also have really staunch supporters too. The best support Villanueva gets tends to be of the "well, he'd be fine if they used him as a stretch four/bench scorer" variety. That's really more an admission that he has major flaws but could still be an effective player in a limited role rather than a defense of him though.</p> <p>And yeah, Jerebko is way better but what I've noticed in these rankings is that players like Jerebko who happen to play for bad teams aren't noticed by non-local writers as much as guys like Villanueva who are bad but happen to occasionally put up decent scoring numbers. Amir Johnson is another good example of a guy who should probably be ranked higher and is better than some guys immediately in front of him (Jeff Teague, for example). But hey, that's the way it has always been. Scoring is the stat that most people assign the most value to.</p> Based on the comments on this site over the last year (not a scientific assessment, I know), not really. I think he’s easily the player who there are the most negative comments about, with Gordon probably second and Hamilton/Stuckey vying for third. But while Hamilton, Gordon and Stuckey have a lot of detractors, all three also have really staunch supporters too. The best support Villanueva gets tends to be of the “well, he’d be fine if they used him as a stretch four/bench scorer” variety. That’s really more an admission that he has major flaws but could still be an effective player in a limited role rather than a defense of him though.

And yeah, Jerebko is way better but what I’ve noticed in these rankings is that players like Jerebko who happen to play for bad teams aren’t noticed by non-local writers as much as guys like Villanueva who are bad but happen to occasionally put up decent scoring numbers. Amir Johnson is another good example of a guy who should probably be ranked higher and is better than some guys immediately in front of him (Jeff Teague, for example). But hey, that’s the way it has always been. Scoring is the stat that most people assign the most value to.

]]> By: Tim http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/09/charlie-villanueva-listed-at-no-191-will-bynum-at-no-188-in-espn-nbarank/comment-page-1/#comment-35925 Tim Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:09:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7539#comment-35925 What pistons fan wouldnt rank JJ over CV every time?  I understand why hes ranked higher here due to JJs limited nba time and injury, but are there seriously pistons fans who are still behind CV? What pistons fan wouldnt rank JJ over CV every time?  I understand why hes ranked higher here due to JJs limited nba time and injury, but are there seriously pistons fans who are still behind CV?

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