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Miami Herald: Heat would like to add Tayshaun Prince or Tracy McGrady

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports that, once the lockout is over, the Heat will be looking for a versatile wing player and are interested in a group that includes two current Pistons and a former one:

If the Heat cannot sign preferred choices Shane Battier, Grant Hill or Tayshaun Prince postlockout, Miami will consider Michael Redd and Tracy McGrady, among others.

The news that the Heat would be interested in Prince and McGrady should be shocking to no one, considering both are solid, versatile players and the Heat bench last season consisted mostly of specialists like James Jones and Eddie House. Although, according to Jackson, the Heat are more interested in Prince, I think McGrady would be a great fit there. Not only did he show he can play multiple positions in a pinch, but he’d probably be much cheaper than Prince as well.

35 Comments

  • Aug 8, 20113:31 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Ha, I think we all know Prince isn’t going to take a super serious pay cut to go play for the Heat, come on lets get realistic!! Dumars is going to probably try to swing a sign and trade for Prince and try to include some other pistons players into that trade…Maybe the Heat needs to realize 3 stars that get paid over 18 mil a year just isn’t going to work!! Trade Bosh or James for 3 or 4 decent players then Miami can win something…

    • Aug 9, 201110:34 am
      by tarsier

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      How stupid do you think Riley is? He has three fantastic players and will probably be able to add another ok one every year. The only way one of them is traded is if he is bringing back someone like CP3 or D12. Trading a superstar for “3 or 4 decent players” is almost always a terrible idea.

  • Aug 8, 20113:39 pm
    by brgulker

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    A Heat crunch time lineup of:

    Random PG that can shoot 3′s
    Wade
    Prince
    James
    Bosh

    Makes me scared.

    Prince is going to get a paycut no matter where he ends up… right? I can’t see anyone giving him $10 million per. At this point in his career, with all the money’s he’s made, I could see him taking an MLE-type contract for four years, which still gets him paid, with a contending team.

    I would if I were him, that’s for sure. I’d want to end my career competing for things that matter, not an extra couple million.

    I can’t see McGrady’s ego going to Miami… not enough room and not enough time to have the basketball. I would still love him in SA.

    • Aug 8, 20113:47 pm
      by Shane

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      They would have the 
      King: James
      Queen: Bosh
      Prince: Prince
      Knight: Wade

      • Aug 9, 20113:33 am
        by gmehl1977

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        They can have CV as well. He can be the court jester

    • Aug 8, 20113:53 pm
      by Jodi Jezz

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      Dumars is going to do a sign and trade for Prince so that he receives more than the MLE, maybe starting around 5.86mil or 6 mil…The Pistons has always been known to take care of there players, I just don’t see Dumars letting Prince go into free agency and taking a bogus contract…I think Dumars will make sure Prince is good financially with probably a 5 yr contract, looking something like Shawn Marions contracts…Don’t get me wrong, I think Prince is still going to a contender in the sign and trade deal, but definitely not the Heat…

      • Aug 8, 20116:14 pm
        by Laser

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        1) midlevel exception may not exist under the new CBA. the existence of exceptions like that is one of the major sticking points in the negotiations.
         
        2) dumars would sign-and-trade prince for more than just prince’s benefit. it would be a disaster if prince ended up walking away for nothing, and it would make dumars look bad for missing out on the chance to get a little value for him at the deadline. i have a feeling if there’s one thing dumars wants to avoid at all costs, it’s “looking bad.”

  • Aug 8, 20114:19 pm
    by neutes

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    I don’t see a sign-and-trade happening. And for all we know we won’t have that option once the lockout ends anyway. Not sure if we’ll even have any rights to him once it’s over, if it lasts the entire season. And there is no point in trying to ‘take care of Prince’. If the Pistons did a S&T it would be because they were getting a solid player in return, which I don’t think Prince can fetch. It’d be pointless to take filler just to acquiesce to Prince’s delight.
     
    Anyway since Lebron plays point-forward they could have a pretty scary lineup. If I’m the Heat I’m trying to go after a big of some sort. You can’t get much worse than Joel Anthony at center. A healthy Mike Miller already helps them at the wing position. Haslem and Bosh up front. If they could just snag a half-way decent center they’d be tough to beat. They should trade Bosh for someone like Okafor and have Haslem at PF. That would make their defense ridiculous.

    • Aug 8, 20116:18 pm
      by Laser

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      i’m not on board with the s&t stuff. for one thing, i have a hunch the pistons don’t lose their right to sign-and-trade him; stern is firmly on the owners’ side in this lockout and probably wouldn’t screw over any team if the whole season was lost. just a hunch there, but i don’t see how or why teams would be penalized in this way. also, i think prince could fetch something worthwhile. and since we don’t know what the cap structure is like going forward, i can see a scenario where teams might want/have to unload productive players on reasonable contracts as they reshape their rosters.

    • Aug 8, 20116:47 pm
      by brgulker

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      The entire Prince S&T conversations comes down to this: what type of team does Prince want to spend the last productive years of his career with?

      If he wants to play for a contender, a S&T is highly unlikely. Why? No contender is giving up more than whatever like an MLE exists under the new CBA. Honestly, think through the teams that have a chance to improve by adding Prince, and then think about what they’d give up that we’d also want back in order to get him.

      I can’t think of a single team.

      If he wants to play for something less than a contender, a S&T may be possible. A team on the fringe of the Playoffs, especially a young one, that thinks it could get into the Playoffs by adding a key veteran or two might want a S&T for Prince. The Clippers example is one that Feldman likes … although I want no part of Kaman (unless we quickly trade him again).

      Based on Prince’s demeanor the past two years, as well as lots of NBA history that points to veterans like Prince signing MLE type deals with good teams, I’m inclined toward the former. I think he ends up somewhere competing in the Playoffs, but he’ll probably get the full MLE in terms of money and length.

      • Aug 8, 20118:02 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        Literally the only scenario that makes sense is for Kaman, and I can’t understand why the Pistons would want Kaman, although I concede that they probably think he’s good. I dunno … I guess at worst he could be an expiring deal they might be able to flip again at the deadline.
        But you’re right, there is no s and t that makes much sense.

  • Aug 8, 20115:49 pm
    by rob

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    I kind of became a miami fan during their run in the playoffs, beating the hated celtics and bulls, so I would love them to get Prince, but I’m a pistons fan more and want that Kaman s&t.

    I think T-Mac as their starting PG would be a PERFECT fit. After seeing how he orchestrated the Pistons and distributed the ball around to everyone last year, James, Wade, and Bosh would thrive with him running the point, plus he can score a little too still, and make plays on defense.

    • Aug 8, 20116:20 pm
      by BIG MARV

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      rob you think T-mac can hold up for 82+ games at PG? he might be young in age but he has an old Basketball body and alot of miles on it. I think he can be that tweener off the bench Playing PG, SG, SF but I think they drafted their PG from Cleveland state that guy is quick fast and he can score hes a new wave combo guard that they needed to handle D-rose, Wall, Jennings and even the new guys Irving and Knight but him (t-mac) and prince will bring more of an athletic Defense veteran-ship to the heat team in which they needed.

      • Aug 9, 20119:18 pm
        by rob

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        good points marv, his solid play last year kind of overshadowed his injury in my mind. I’m not sure he could hold up as a starter 82 games + the 20 some playoff games they are expected to have. 

        I also forgot about Cole. I really liked that pick-up. I dont think he’s ready to take on that  starters load either though. But a combo of the two at PG could be just right I think. Kind of like the Mavs using the old veteran Kidd and Barea together at PG. Plus they still have Chalmers, though I see him more as a SG, like an Afflalo type, that can back up Wade and defend the perimeter/shoot 3′s/clutch shots.

        Miami’s PG situation was brutal last year. After seeing T-Mac here all regular season, I couldnt but think he was exactly what Miami needed when following them through the playoffs. 

    • Aug 8, 20116:20 pm
      by Laser

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      1) gross.
       
      2) so, wade guards opposing PGs then? not sure where i stand on this or whether they’d be better off just having chalmers start and bring tracy off the bench as a backup point forward type. in any event, i do think there’s a better than average chance tracy ends up with the heat.

  • Aug 8, 20116:26 pm
    by Laser

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    i’m still of a mind that our best option is probably to re-sign tayshaun. given his loyalty, his comfort level here, the fact that much of the internal strife is behind us… i could see him being convinced to come back. the CBA might make it even more desirable for all parties if players remain with the same team. for instance, if there’s an overhaul that sweeps away all the exceptions except for provisions for teams retaining their own players. we can’t be sure what the climate of the NBA is going to be like when the lockout ends, and maybe the uncertainty and bad blood might foster an environment where it just makes more sense for tayshaun to come back. he might want to play for a contender, but it’s not like he needs to chase a ring or anything. we’ll see what happens. but i’d love to bring him back on a reasonable contract and likely trade him in a year or so to a contender.

    • Aug 8, 20118:05 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I just don’t see how Prince makes any sense on a team that’s rebuilding considering he isn’t a legit No. 1 option and he’s going to be fairly expensive.

      • Aug 8, 201110:58 pm
        by Laser

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        well, as i said, i think the best case scenario involves us trading him at some point in the near future.
         
        god knows how this bullshit organization put it in a position where it’s INSTANTLY gone from having waaaay too much depth at small forward for its own good to having too little depth to be comfortable at the position. but the bottom line is that they should probably have a legitimate starting small forward, and they’ve mentioned that as a priority going forward. so tayshaun’s expensive. BFD. the team’s cap situation is a disaster whether he’s here or not, he’ll be one of the absolute best and most versatile players on the team, and he’ll likely be highly tradeable. if we were actually rebuilding and had a cap structure to show for it, i’d feel differently. but right now we’re in the kind of mess where re-signing an expensive veteran who’s not going to get us over any sort of hump is probably the best among our unsavory options.
         
        the tax to unload rip, charlie and/or gordon is probably going to be too hefty to make sense. so a smart plan going forward involves looking towards the point when we’re going to be free from those albatrosses. that means we likely have to suffer another season of rip and two more of those other clowns. i don’t see how else we’re going to be competitive at any point in the foreseeable future. and if we brought back tayshaun, flipped him at this deadline or within another year, we could probably get decent value in return. letting him walk would gall me, for multiple reasons.

        • Aug 9, 20119:25 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “i think the best case scenario involves us trading him at some point in the near future.”

          But didn’t they try this once already with the Hamilton extension? I mean, I think Hamilton was clearly re-signed because Dumars believed he’d just be able to trade him at some point, and that obviously turned out to be a terrible strategy.

          What if Prince’s value tanks over the next year? What if someone like Daye improves to the point where he cuts into Prince’s minutes? Prince has always played big minutes here, and there’s a chance that he’d bristle at ceding a chunk of his role to a younger player. Who knows. I mean, everything that could possibly go wrong to put Hamilton’s value in the tank happened, and I’m not saying that would happen with Prince necessarily, but in general, I just don’t think it’s a great strategy to sign a player who will be on the wrong side of 30 and assume you’ll be able to trade him later. Prince could get injured or perform poorly or whatever and become another albatross of a contract.

          No one wants to see the team lose a solid player for nothing in return, I grant you that. But I think the Pistons really have no choice right now because of the bloated contracts they already have on the books.

          • Aug 9, 20112:28 pm
            by Laser

            1) i firmly disagree with the assertion that rip was re-signed with the intent to trade him. i think it was an issue of loyalty, a reward for the championship, a respect for rip and what he brought to the team, and the staunch commitment to rodney stuckey as our point guard of the future. dumars probably thought he had a dynamite backcourt and could add a young big or two with all that freed cap space. the obvious support for this theory, and the one that makes yours fall flat on its face is the contract itself. rip was not signed for any value whatsoever. it was a head-scratching deal the moment it was inked, and it felt like rip was being locked up for a long time to come. nobody signs an aging mid-range shooter who can’t create his own shot to that kind of contract with an eye towards converting him into something valuable.
             
            2) there’s a big difference between rip and tayshaun’s respective values around the league. tayshaun is a versatile glue guy who can play and guard multiple positions, get his own shot, strong locker room presence, etc. 30 teams in the league would be thrilled to have him. period. rip is none of those things. he has one dimension (though he’s admittedly a capable defender when interested), he’s got a chip on his shoulder, plays one position, and could very well be the single most “needy” player in the league when it comes to having to be in a specific system with multiple screens and well-timed passes to thrive. these guys are on the exact opposite of this spectrum. the exact opposite.
             
            3) i don’t think it’s reasonable to predict that a player who’s been the absolute model of consistency (and been extraordinarily durable most of the way, and having bounced back completely from injury to have the best season of his career) will suddenly plummet in value. that’s not rational thinking, and the argument could be made that you shouldn’t sign anyone to long-term contracts for fear that they will get injured. still, in an absolute worst-case scenario, let’s say prince’s value tanks. i don’t think it will, but let’s assume. the length of his contract, then, would be the only conceivable problem. i’m not sure he’d be interested in signing anything for less than five years (can he even get that? i dunno.), but if we could sign him for three, that has his contract expiring with charlie and gordon. even if he had both of his legs chopped off, tayshaun would be more valuable to this team as a veteran leader and mascot than gordon and villanueva on the floor, and they’d all be off the books at the same time. this team simply can’t have an eye towards true competitiveness before those guys are off our books. it won’t happen, and anything this team does that isn’t with an eye towards that time won’t do a damn bit of good.
             
            4) i’ll just be too galled to see him walk for nothing. i consider that a worse scenario than signing him to three years and having him lose his legs. because at least there was some semblance of a plan and some chance things could work out by attempting to re-sign him.

          • Aug 9, 20113:07 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            “nobody signs an aging mid-range shooter who can’t create his own shot to that kind of contract with an eye towards converting him into something valuable.”

            I would never defend the Hamilton extension. It was a bad deal. But at the same time, I think it was clearly made because Dumars believed Hamilton’s relative value at the time (fringe all-star, good shape, fairly durable) would hold. It was a miscalculation and a terrible gamble, but those are the exact same reasons you give why you think Prince, an aging, limited, consistent and durable player, will hold his value. I’m just saying that’s not a given. Prince is likely to get a deal at at least what the current mid-level is. I just don’t see, given the team’s current salary predicament, how that’s a great and necessary signing the team has to make.

            “having bounced back completely from injury to have the best season of his career”

            How was this the best season of his career? Second lowest 3 pt percentage of his career. Lowest FT percentage since his rookie year. He got to the line less than he has in any full season since his first as a full-time starter. Lowest rebs per game since his rookie year.

            He had an OK season. He’s still valuable as a third or fourth option on a good team. But he was terribly miscast in his role as the team’s primary option on offense. An offense that revolves around Prince won’t be a good offense. I just don’t see how keeping him at the expense of throwing Daye into the fire and seeing if he has anything is a good move. The team isn’t going to win much with or without Prince, unless they make significant upgrades elsewhere, which seem unlikely considering the lockout will eliminate much of the offseason.

          • Aug 9, 20113:12 pm
            by brgulker

            i think it was an issue of loyalty, a reward for the championship, a respect for rip and what he brought to the team, and the staunch commitment to rodney stuckey as our point guard of the future.

            If this is true, it’s reason enough to fire Joe Dumars.  

            i don’t think it’s reasonable to predict that a player who’s been the absolute model of consistency (and been extraordinarily durable most of the way, and having bounced back completely from injury to have the best season of his career) will suddenly plummet in value.
            OF COURSE his value will plummet. He’s aging, and it’s obvious. The once model of durability is having back problems that keep him out of games. Those don’t stop when you get old; they get worse.

            And this wasn’t the best season of his career.  If anything, this season illustrated that Tay can’t be a first or second option, at least not if you want your team to win.

            Tay has value. But I bet that to most Playoff-caliber teams, he’s not worth nearly as much as you think he is.

          • Aug 9, 20117:01 pm
            by Laser

            @hayes: i just don’t see how you could assume rip was signed to be traded as an asset. stuckey was obviously slotted to be our point guard going forward, and rip was likely going to be our shooting guard. it’s not like we had a shooting guard in waiting that dumars valued (since he obviously wildly undervalued afflalo to everyone’s peril), and TO THIS DAY dumars refuses to go into full-on rebuilding mode, so what on earth makes you think this was his plan? there isn’t one portion of your theory that makes sense.
             
            it just so happened that when boozer opted into his contract, joe just continued to compound his problems by trying to sign the two best young free agents, regardless of position, like it was a f*cking draft or something where you just go for upside. then the rip signing went from a head-scratcher to a blunder the likes of which this organization hadn’t seen since… well, since every move joe’s made since 2008.
             
            @ben: it makes a lot more sense to me as an outside observer that joe signed rip to that contract for a great deal of reasons including some of those on my list, and probably just plain overvaluing rip, than that he signed rip to that contract with the sincere belief that he was getting great value for the money and thought rip would be a strong bargaining chip on that contract to try to make a further deal. either of those two options would justify dumars’s termination (he could have been fired five times over by now and i’d make no excuses for him), but one seems much more likely..
             
            and i said “suddenly” plummet. say, for instance, there are a handful of teams who’d love the chance to sign him to a multi-year contract starting at maybe $8 million or something. over the course of that contract, there’s going to be diminishing returns as he approaches his mid-thirties. but it’s widely accepted that a player is still in his physical peak at 32-33 before he starts to decline. so if we traded him some time between this year’s trade deadline and the year after, we could very likely get an expiring contract and a pick, or something like that. it’s at least something in return. and it should be considered that tayshaun’s game is not predicated on particularly outstanding athleticism, so his decline should figure to be less precipitous than someone like rip whose calling card used to be his conditioning and ability to run defenders ragged. i think he’s worth plenty, and if we can snag him at the same price other teams would be willing to pay, i think it’s totally reasonable to expect some kind of return for him.

        • Aug 9, 201110:37 am
          by tarsier

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          Also, why would Prince want to resign with Detroit?

          • Aug 9, 20112:30 pm
            by Laser

            loyalty, comfort level, he’s loved here and this is where all his fans are, he already won a championship here (so no need to chase a ring) and has plenty of good memories, he spent his entire career here. plenty of good reasons.

        • Aug 9, 20119:44 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “i just don’t see how you could assume rip was signed to be traded as an asset.’

          I don’t think it was necessarily his plan. Who knows what his plan was, to be honest. I’m just saying I think he signed him because he believed that his value would not go down. I think he banked on the common memes about Rip — oh, he’s in such great shape, he’s never injured, his game can work in any system, etc. I think those are the things Dumars based that decision on rather than the more tried and true method of evaluation, namely that most players tend to decline some when they hit 30.

          And I do think that once he signed Gordon, his plan was to trade Hamilton. I certainly don’t believe there was a deal in place with Utah as Sharp reported, but I do think Dumars felt Hamilton had more value than he did around the league and that his production/attitude wouldn’t nosedive like they have. I don’t frankly see why that’s so hard to believe.

          Honestly, I find your theory that Dumars simply signed Hamilton for nostalgia reasons to reward him for a title far more implausible. First of all, that would not just be an incompetent move, it would be incredibly negligent in a job that is supposed to maintain a budget. And secondly, if he were the sentimental type, I think he would’ve matched Chicago’s offer to Wallace and he wouldn’t have traded Billups, two players who were far more important to the title than Rip, and that’s taking nothing away from Hamilton’s great contributions.

  • Aug 8, 20118:51 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Gordon will retire a piston!!!

    • Aug 8, 201110:59 pm
      by Laser

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      this is both incorrect and irrelevant.

  • Aug 9, 20119:04 am
    by RyanK

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    Tay probably would prefer to stay in Detroit I’m guessing.  Joe D has indicated he’d like to keep him.  Tay might not like the contract Joe offers though.  To get to a contender Tay will likely have to take a big pay cut to sign as a free agent…but the talk has been a sign and trade.
     
    If he wants to play with Miami and get a decent offer, they will have to send something back this way.  I sure hope they don’t take Mike Miller in trade.
     
    Miami needs players who won’t dominate the ball, so maybe a Tay and Rip do fit the bill.   There’s probably no truth to the Bosh trade rumors.  Rip’s expiring contract with a shortened season is an asset by itself…not to mention I’ve heard a big chunk of his last season is performance based…not guaranteed.

  • Aug 9, 201110:43 am
    by Jason

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    I don’t understand why you can’t have veterans on a team with young guys.  Because you can.

  • Aug 9, 201112:50 pm
    by DSV

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    Without claiming to know everything about the NBA… I don’t know that I want Tayshaun or Kaman. I would think they would keep us middling in the not very deep East which amounts to more 30-ish win seasons and not very good lotto chances.

  • Aug 9, 20115:35 pm
    by Rich Breckons

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    I think that the Detroit Pistons need to keep both T-Mac and Prince. If they get rid of anyone, I think it should be one of the 2 dumb expensive signnings a few years ago. No offence to Vill or Gordon but itll free up some money and maybe go after someone that is really deserving of the money and that will help us out in every game

    • Aug 10, 20119:01 am
      by neutes

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      but then we might actually win games! pick your no mans land poison.

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