Comments on: Could Chauncey Billups make the Hall of Fame someday? http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 03:31:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: My Favorite Things: #2 Referring To Someone As A “Future Hall Of Famer” « chipwrecks http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-36370 My Favorite Things: #2 Referring To Someone As A “Future Hall Of Famer” « chipwrecks Fri, 30 Sep 2011 20:57:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-36370 [...] however always use the term when referring to superstar LOCKS like Ed Reed, Chipper Jones, Chauncey Billups and Mark Buehrle.  I’m sure the announcers don’t have an [...] [...] however always use the term when referring to superstar LOCKS like Ed Reed, Chipper Jones, Chauncey Billups and Mark Buehrle.  I’m sure the announcers don’t have an [...]

]]> By: rob http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34480 rob Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:44:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34480 yeah, I agree Billups definitely has a better chance than Rip. I just think that Rip's college career is going to play a big factor because its not just the nba HOF, and they take everything into account. Plus he is the leading playoff scorer in Pistons history, ahead of Isiah and Joe. That's got to count for something. I just watched that 2004 championship DVD and it said Rip avg 31 or 33 pts a gam in the ECF against IND that year, who were almost as good as us defensively, and we may have been the best all-time that year. If LeBron or Wade avg 30 in a playoff series it would be a big deal, but most ppl probably dont even remember that Rip did it in the ECF. I just think his talent/productivity goes unnoticed a lot and he is a lot better than he gets credit for.  I certainly dont think he's a guy that's going to head his class if he gets in, but I could see him as a secondary of third tier inductee. Ray Allen is widely considered a lock for the HOF, but is he really that much better than Rip, that Rip has no chance at all? Rip has gone toe to toe with Allen and Kobe hs whole life and its usually an even matchup when they play. If those guys are HOF'ers why can't Rip be? He's got the hardware/rings too.  yeah, I agree Billups definitely has a better chance than Rip. I just think that Rip’s college career is going to play a big factor because its not just the nba HOF, and they take everything into account. Plus he is the leading playoff scorer in Pistons history, ahead of Isiah and Joe. That’s got to count for something.

I just watched that 2004 championship DVD and it said Rip avg 31 or 33 pts a gam in the ECF against IND that year, who were almost as good as us defensively, and we may have been the best all-time that year. If LeBron or Wade avg 30 in a playoff series it would be a big deal, but most ppl probably dont even remember that Rip did it in the ECF. I just think his talent/productivity goes unnoticed a lot and he is a lot better than he gets credit for. 

I certainly dont think he’s a guy that’s going to head his class if he gets in, but I could see him as a secondary of third tier inductee.

Ray Allen is widely considered a lock for the HOF, but is he really that much better than Rip, that Rip has no chance at all? Rip has gone toe to toe with Allen and Kobe hs whole life and its usually an even matchup when they play. If those guys are HOF’ers why can’t Rip be? He’s got the hardware/rings too. 

]]> By: brgulker http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34424 brgulker Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:27:21 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34424 I think Billups needed to have more success post-Detroit. He needed to get back to the Finals, at least, or have 1-2 monstrous seasons which he hasn't really had. Billups was one of the best during his prime, but he's not one of the best all time, IMHO. Big Ben belongs in the HOF. He's one of the most dominant at his position ever. I don't think any of the other Going to Work guys do. I think Billups needed to have more success post-Detroit. He needed to get back to the Finals, at least, or have 1-2 monstrous seasons which he hasn’t really had.

Billups was one of the best during his prime, but he’s not one of the best all time, IMHO.

Big Ben belongs in the HOF. He’s one of the most dominant at his position ever. I don’t think any of the other Going to Work guys do.

]]> By: MrHappyMushroom http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34422 MrHappyMushroom Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:18:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34422 A difference, though, is that Rodman was an absolutely unique player.  I'd go so far to say that no one ever played quite like him in the history of basketball. He also has some rebounding totals (along with five rings) that are off the charts.   Chauncey--I love him, by the way--has been a really good player and for about six or seven years was one of the top five point guards in the game. But that doesn't match up to Rodman for me.  (But perhaps the high school and college creds mean a lot.) A difference, though, is that Rodman was an absolutely unique player.  I’d go so far to say that no one ever played quite like him in the history of basketball. He also has some rebounding totals (along with five rings) that are off the charts.
 
Chauncey–I love him, by the way–has been a really good player and for about six or seven years was one of the top five point guards in the game. But that doesn’t match up to Rodman for me.  (But perhaps the high school and college creds mean a lot.)

]]> By: MrHappyMushroom http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34417 MrHappyMushroom Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:11:49 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34417 @Rob-- Perhaps there aren't many Finals MVPs not in the Hall. But if he doesn't get in, it wouldn't mean that Chauncey's getting screwed.   Remember that the 2004 Pistons are really unique because they won a championship without a star player. Part of the whole mystique of that team is that you could reasonably argue that that team didn't necessarily have a first, second, (or maybe even third) team all NBA player.  (I'm not saying that Big Ben or Chauncey weren't top fifteen players. But many might argue that neither were. But I can't imagine anyone the same about Nowitzski, Kobe, KG, Wade,  Duncan, or--I suspect--any top player on a team that has won a championship in decades, or possibly ever. @Rob–
Perhaps there aren’t many Finals MVPs not in the Hall. But if he doesn’t get in, it wouldn’t mean that Chauncey’s getting screwed.
 
Remember that the 2004 Pistons are really unique because they won a championship without a star player. Part of the whole mystique of that team is that you could reasonably argue that that team didn’t necessarily have a first, second, (or maybe even third) team all NBA player.  (I’m not saying that Big Ben or Chauncey weren’t top fifteen players. But many might argue that neither were. But I can’t imagine anyone the same about Nowitzski, Kobe, KG, Wade,  Duncan, or–I suspect–any top player on a team that has won a championship in decades, or possibly ever.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34413 tarsier Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:54:34 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34413 Rodman getting in has to help Wallace's case as their arguments are almost identical. However, Wallace has more individual success (4 DPOYs, 3 all-NBA 2nd teams, several years of arguably being the best player on a very good team) compared to Rodman's greater team success (5 championships). I wonder how that will play out. Rodman getting in has to help Wallace’s case as their arguments are almost identical. However, Wallace has more individual success (4 DPOYs, 3 all-NBA 2nd teams, several years of arguably being the best player on a very good team) compared to Rodman’s greater team success (5 championships). I wonder how that will play out.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34410 tarsier Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:49:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34410 Well as I said, I think he has a solid shot. I just think it is in the under-50% range. But even at the low end of my estimate, an average player doesn't have a 25% chance at getting in. But my main point is that he is not a shoo in. Also, good point with the Colorado thing. It is silly but I could see it mattering. I'm surprised I missed that post but it seems I did. Pretty much the exact point I was trying to make but with real numbers since I am too lazy to dig them up unless someone challenges me. Well as I said, I think he has a solid shot. I just think it is in the under-50% range. But even at the low end of my estimate, an average player doesn’t have a 25% chance at getting in. But my main point is that he is not a shoo in.
Also, good point with the Colorado thing. It is silly but I could see it mattering.
I’m surprised I missed that post but it seems I did. Pretty much the exact point I was trying to make but with real numbers since I am too lazy to dig them up unless someone challenges me.

]]> By: max http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34409 max Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:49:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34409 Chauncey had two great NBA finals series,won 1 Finals MVP and was one game shy of winning a second.His 05-06 season is one of the best seasons by a Point Guard in the last 20 years.Nash was the MVP,but Kobe and Chauncey deserved it more that year.7 straigt Conference Finals.What more can I say? Chauncey had two great NBA finals series,won 1 Finals MVP and was one game shy of winning a second.His 05-06 season is one of the best seasons by a Point Guard in the last 20 years.Nash was the MVP,but Kobe and Chauncey deserved it more that year.7 straigt Conference Finals.What more can I say?

]]> By: Lexstarbuck http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34408 Lexstarbuck Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:11:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34408 I think C Bills biggest attribute will get him HOF consideration, I believe it's the one thing we're all forgetting. His LEADERSHIP. His time in Detroit has made him into a LEADER OF MEN. Despite his faults, he can orchestrate an Offense almost better than anyone in the league. He may not score with the best of them, he may not be the best defender, nor is he a top assist guy. But what he can do is play an excellent floor game. Any coach would love to have them on their team. You don't go to seven straight Conference Finals and not get considered as HOF worthy. He knows how to LEAD. I think C Bills biggest attribute will get him HOF consideration, I believe it’s the one thing we’re all forgetting. His LEADERSHIP. His time in Detroit has made him into a LEADER OF MEN. Despite his faults, he can orchestrate an Offense almost better than anyone in the league. He may not score with the best of them, he may not be the best defender, nor is he a top assist guy. But what he can do is play an excellent floor game. Any coach would love to have them on their team. You don’t go to seven straight Conference Finals and not get considered as HOF worthy. He knows how to LEAD.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/could-chauncey-billups-make-the-hall-of-fame-someday/comment-page-1/#comment-34405 Patrick Hayes Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:41:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7238#comment-34405 <p>I don't think he'll be an immediate inclusion if he gets in. He strikes me as a guy who voters will probably ignore for a while. He might even be someone who has to wait for the veteran's committee to pick him.</p> <p>But I was really surprised at how quickly the voters warmed to Rodman's candidacy, so who knows. His first year of eligibility, it looked like he'd never get voted in, and here he is, just a year later, going into the Hall.</p> <p>There's seriously no rhyme or reason to how they do things, so it's really hard to predict how they'll deal with a borderline case like Billups.</p> I don’t think he’ll be an immediate inclusion if he gets in. He strikes me as a guy who voters will probably ignore for a while. He might even be someone who has to wait for the veteran’s committee to pick him.

But I was really surprised at how quickly the voters warmed to Rodman’s candidacy, so who knows. His first year of eligibility, it looked like he’d never get voted in, and here he is, just a year later, going into the Hall.

There’s seriously no rhyme or reason to how they do things, so it’s really hard to predict how they’ll deal with a borderline case like Billups.

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