Comments on: Ben Gordon narrowly misses cut of NBA’s 100 best players http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 18 May 2013 16:34:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Murph http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33898 Murph Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:45:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33898 Personally, I prefer Hamilton over Gordon.  But at this point, I don't care who the Pistons trade, just as long as they trade one or the other.  Trying to split minutes between Rip and BG is seriously damaging both of their careers....not to mention the Pistons' performance. Personally, I prefer Hamilton over Gordon.  But at this point, I don’t care who the Pistons trade, just as long as they trade one or the other.  Trying to split minutes between Rip and BG is seriously damaging both of their careers….not to mention the Pistons’ performance.

]]> By: Jodi Jezz http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33886 Jodi Jezz Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:21:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33886 Gordon is going to retire a piston! Gordon is going to retire a piston!

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33883 Patrick Hayes Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:05:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33883 <p>Like I said in another comment, I don't think Gordon's better. I just think that, given what has happened in the locker room with reports of the divide between Prince/Hamilton and the young players, it's probably best to part ways with both guys. I say that knowing that those two are probably better than anyone on the roster who would replace them. But the team is rebuilding and neither guy seems all that interested in being a leader/mentor for the younger group of guys. I'm not hating on that ... it's their right. But it just doesn't make much sense from the perspective of a rebuilding team to keep veteran players who require a lot of minutes to be happy. It would be much more valuable for Detroit to see if Gordon can rebuild his value some in big minutes so that maybe he could be traded down the road or to see if Daye is capable of becoming a significant contributor.</p> Like I said in another comment, I don’t think Gordon’s better. I just think that, given what has happened in the locker room with reports of the divide between Prince/Hamilton and the young players, it’s probably best to part ways with both guys. I say that knowing that those two are probably better than anyone on the roster who would replace them. But the team is rebuilding and neither guy seems all that interested in being a leader/mentor for the younger group of guys. I’m not hating on that … it’s their right. But it just doesn’t make much sense from the perspective of a rebuilding team to keep veteran players who require a lot of minutes to be happy. It would be much more valuable for Detroit to see if Gordon can rebuild his value some in big minutes so that maybe he could be traded down the road or to see if Daye is capable of becoming a significant contributor.

]]> By: Jodi Jezz http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33879 Jodi Jezz Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:39:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33879 We will see that 18-20pts per game next season when Gordon is getting his minutes..Gordon has been playing career low minutes since his rookie year, you cant expect him to be a productive scorer when he isn't receiving any minutes...I think the main situation everyone should be worried about is our lack of a decent Center that can complement Monroe, and who is going to start at SF, instead of worrying about Gordon who hasn't received the 6th man minutes or starter minutes he needs to be successful. We will see that 18-20pts per game next season when Gordon is getting his minutes..Gordon has been playing career low minutes since his rookie year, you cant expect him to be a productive scorer when he isn’t receiving any minutes…I think the main situation everyone should be worried about is our lack of a decent Center that can complement Monroe, and who is going to start at SF, instead of worrying about Gordon who hasn’t received the 6th man minutes or starter minutes he needs to be successful.

]]> By: kamal http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33876 kamal Tue, 02 Aug 2011 17:26:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33876 Neutes, you said everything I would have said.  -Rip's better than Gordon -Rip's complaining means that he hates losing, while Gordon's moping on the court means that he doesn't even care.  -Rip knows how to play the game.  Gordon knows how to get his shot off. -Joe jerked Rip by signing Gordon the year after the Iverson debacle.  Dan and Patrick, another reason why I believe Rip should be rated higher than Gordon is than in the 2 years he's been in Detroit, he's still yet to beat him out as the starting 2.  The only way for Gordon to start at the 2 is if they move Rip.  If they both go into training camp together, you know darn well that Rip will beat him out do to defense and passing ability. Neutes, you said everything I would have said. 
-Rip’s better than Gordon
-Rip’s complaining means that he hates losing, while Gordon’s moping on the court means that he doesn’t even care. 
-Rip knows how to play the game.  Gordon knows how to get his shot off.
-Joe jerked Rip by signing Gordon the year after the Iverson debacle. 

Dan and Patrick, another reason why I believe Rip should be rated higher than Gordon is than in the 2 years he’s been in Detroit, he’s still yet to beat him out as the starting 2.  The only way for Gordon to start at the 2 is if they move Rip.  If they both go into training camp together, you know darn well that Rip will beat him out do to defense and passing ability.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33868 Patrick Hayes Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:33:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33868 <p>"I don’t get why most say we just need to remove Rip from the picture so Gordon can have more minutes."</p> <p>I'm not saying Gordon deserves more minutes. I'm saying that Hamilton has been unhappy, and a distraction to the point that anonymous players were complaining about how terrible he was to reporters last season. The divide between veterans and young players in the locker room was reported on pretty regularly last season. Rip might be the better player, he's certainly had the better career, but this team is rebuilding. If, instead of being a leader, setting an example of the hard work it actually takes to become a winning team, Hamilton is just moping and whining about his own lack of playing time, then yeah, I'd prefer they cut ties with him, give those minutes to someone else (preferably Daye to figure out if they actually have anything there) and go on about trying to new pieces.</p> <p>"Dumars screwed him over by adding Gordon when he should have just stuck with Rip since he already paid him a boatload."</p> <p>Right. Dumars screwed him over by paying him a huge contract extension, one that I would be willing to bet Hamilton wouldn't have received on the free agent market had he not signed it. I wish someone would screw me over like that.</p> “I don’t get why most say we just need to remove Rip from the picture so Gordon can have more minutes.”

I’m not saying Gordon deserves more minutes. I’m saying that Hamilton has been unhappy, and a distraction to the point that anonymous players were complaining about how terrible he was to reporters last season. The divide between veterans and young players in the locker room was reported on pretty regularly last season. Rip might be the better player, he’s certainly had the better career, but this team is rebuilding. If, instead of being a leader, setting an example of the hard work it actually takes to become a winning team, Hamilton is just moping and whining about his own lack of playing time, then yeah, I’d prefer they cut ties with him, give those minutes to someone else (preferably Daye to figure out if they actually have anything there) and go on about trying to new pieces.

“Dumars screwed him over by adding Gordon when he should have just stuck with Rip since he already paid him a boatload.”

Right. Dumars screwed him over by paying him a huge contract extension, one that I would be willing to bet Hamilton wouldn’t have received on the free agent market had he not signed it. I wish someone would screw me over like that.

]]> By: neutes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33867 neutes Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:30:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33867 Hamilton has a much higher basketball IQ. He understands not only how to use screens to get his shot, but also how to come off them and draw attention from the defense to find the open man with a pass. He averages over 4 assists per game. Rip understands how defense react, he understands where his teammates are on the court, and he understand how to create space. Gordon can shoot, he can iso, but that doesn't mean he has a high basketball IQ. Most of the shots he takes are contested and would be considered poor shots if he wasn't so adept at making ridiculous shots. Hamilton has a much higher basketball IQ. He understands not only how to use screens to get his shot, but also how to come off them and draw attention from the defense to find the open man with a pass. He averages over 4 assists per game. Rip understands how defense react, he understands where his teammates are on the court, and he understand how to create space. Gordon can shoot, he can iso, but that doesn’t mean he has a high basketball IQ. Most of the shots he takes are contested and would be considered poor shots if he wasn’t so adept at making ridiculous shots.

]]> By: neutes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33866 neutes Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:20:55 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33866 I'm backwards from everyone else on this but Rip complaining is a good thing if you ask me. He's been a winner his whole career and he's confident in his abilities. He has a drive and he's almost always playing hard while he's on the court. Dumars screwed him over by adding Gordon when he should have just stuck with Rip since he already paid him a boatload.   Gordon has been 'professional' if you want to call it that. He's been quiet, which doesn't necessarily speak towards his will to win or any confidence in his ability to help the team win. And he has looked like his confidence is shaken and he has moped it on the court. It's almost like he's complaining by not trying as hard as opposed to whining.   I don't get why most say we just need to remove Rip from the picture so Gordon can have more minutes. Gordon's played over 800 more minutes than Rip the last two seasons and hasn't shown one bit he deserves more minutes handed on a platter to him. Here you go Ben here's your 35 minutes a game you don't deserve. I’m backwards from everyone else on this but Rip complaining is a good thing if you ask me. He’s been a winner his whole career and he’s confident in his abilities. He has a drive and he’s almost always playing hard while he’s on the court. Dumars screwed him over by adding Gordon when he should have just stuck with Rip since he already paid him a boatload.
 
Gordon has been ‘professional’ if you want to call it that. He’s been quiet, which doesn’t necessarily speak towards his will to win or any confidence in his ability to help the team win. And he has looked like his confidence is shaken and he has moped it on the court. It’s almost like he’s complaining by not trying as hard as opposed to whining.
 
I don’t get why most say we just need to remove Rip from the picture so Gordon can have more minutes. Gordon’s played over 800 more minutes than Rip the last two seasons and hasn’t shown one bit he deserves more minutes handed on a platter to him. Here you go Ben here’s your 35 minutes a game you don’t deserve.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33865 Patrick Hayes Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:38:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33865 <p>See, I like Gordon because he's an elite 3-point shooter. But "higher basketball IQ?" I can't agree with that. Hamilton is a far superior defensive player and Gordon absolutely cannot play PG. The few times the Pistons tried to use him to bring the ball up, he was really uncomfortable doing it.</p> See, I like Gordon because he’s an elite 3-point shooter. But “higher basketball IQ?” I can’t agree with that. Hamilton is a far superior defensive player and Gordon absolutely cannot play PG. The few times the Pistons tried to use him to bring the ball up, he was really uncomfortable doing it.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/comment-page-1/#comment-33864 Patrick Hayes Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:36:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/08/ben-gordon-narrowly-misses-cut-of-nbas-100-best-players/#comment-33864 <p>Maybe.</p> <p>But the variable here is no one except Hamilton and his agent know what the buyout offer was. I would assume that if his agent thought that was the way for Hamilton to maximize the money he could make, he would've advised him to do it I assume. I don't know though. My point is just it's hard to say what Hamilton should've done without knowing exactly what was being offered in the buyout talks.</p> Maybe.

But the variable here is no one except Hamilton and his agent know what the buyout offer was. I would assume that if his agent thought that was the way for Hamilton to maximize the money he could make, he would’ve advised him to do it I assume. I don’t know though. My point is just it’s hard to say what Hamilton should’ve done without knowing exactly what was being offered in the buyout talks.

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