Comments on: Joe Dumars might consider re-signing Tayshaun Prince, according to Tayshaun Prince’s agent

By: khandor

khandor — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:00:18 +0000

Ben,
The 2 younger players that you wish to develop c/would still be able to have that experience with the Pistons next season, if Joe D. can re-sign Prince AND then move Rip Hamilton, by using them in a variety of different ways, including, for example:
OG – Gordon as the starter; and, Daye as the primary back-up [with limited PT as the 3rd SF]
SF – Prince as the starter; and, Jerebko as the primary back-up [with limited PT as a back-up PF, as well].
In fact, the case could well be made that THIS type of personnel usage would actually give these youngsters their best possible chance to continue to develop properly … as heavy-minute back-ups to solid vets with the right attitude towards the ‘team concept’ … rather than throwing them into the fire too soon without a solid veteran defender/rebound at the wing position on the squad at all.
Then, either, when the Trade Deadline approaches, or during the subsequent off-season, it should not be a significant problem at all, if Joe D. was to determine that the time was right to cash in his chips on Tayshaun, in favour of other assets which would be of more value to the Pistons moving forward with the 2012-1013 squad ready to be lead properly by the likes of Stuckey, Daye, Jerebko, Monroe and, most importantly, Knight for the next decade.
If NBA history has proven anything at all, it is that anyone can be traded at some date in the future.

By: brgulker

brgulker — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:20:42 +0000

What I’m saying is that Prince is the type of guy (historically) who ends his career with a Playoff contender. Playoff contenders tend to be able at or above the cap, and thus tend to have a very clear limit on what they can offer guys like Prince.

Is there some team that might offer him slightly more (something like Charlie V’s current deal?). Perhaps. And perhaps he’s worth that much money, at least for the next 2 seasons. But the point is that playoff teams aren’t going to have more than the MLE to spend, so if Tay wants to go to a winner, that’s the payday he should expect.

Anyway, we’re not going to agree on what JoD ought to do. I think it makes more sense to go young and cheap, since we already have Daye and are very likely to retain Jerebko. They are capable of approximating Prince’s production at a cheaper price point, and we get the added bonus of evaluating two young, promising players who may be long-term Pistons.

By: brgulker

brgulker — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:13:52 +0000

I think saying Macklin even making the team is premature at this point. There’s a reason he went #52 in the draft (terrible rebounder, poor shooter). To say he’s taking anyone’s place, in spite of Max’s recent struggles, is a reach, IMHO.

By: khandor

khandor — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:46:30 +0000

Jason,
re: “@khandor
I am not sold on Charlie V either and may have been a mistake but one point I will make. If he was on the Heat they would of won the Championship. If you remember they had trouble spreading it out offensively. A shooting power forward will ALWAYS be a huge asset offensively. Maybe only offensively with Charlie V though.”
I respectfully disagree that adding Charlie V. – i.e. as a stretch 4 – would have allowed Miami to win this past year’s NBA championship, since whatever value he adds in that regard is MORE THAN out-weighed by what he detracts from a team through his lackadaisical defensive transition, atrocious half-court defense and sub-standard rebounding.
IMO, Miami should still have been good enough to win the NBA Title this past season, even without a stretch 4 like CV, if: A) They would have received better coaching from Erik Spoelstra … who is still a young coach learning what is necessary to accomplish this specific goal … and, B) LeBron James was better equipped to handle a secondary scoring role … i.e. in support of D-Wade last season … than he has shown each of the past 2 seasons, when he has failed to maintain his offensive flow, and “turtled” emotionally, faced with the challenge of playing WITHIN a “team concept” that did not involve him as the offensive center-piece of the team.
In most regards, however, I think we agree about the limited ability of a one-way player like CV.

By: khandor

khandor — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:26:15 +0000

Ben,
If the Pistons hire a head coach who Prince respects, and you believe that quality teams across the league would only have interest in acquiring Prince’s services for the MLE [approx. $5-6 M/yr, which might even come down in the new CBA] then it would make sense for Joe D. to attempt to re-sign Tayshaun at this same money level, and for Prince to accept this offer, since Prince has spent his entire career to-date in Detroit and he has no need to chase a championship elsewhere, unlike other ring-less veterans around the NBA. I haven’t read anyone saying that Joe D. should blow the bank in an attempt to re-sign Prince; but, only that it makes sense for Joe D. to try to re-sign him, post-lockout, as a veteran presence on their team going forward. It would then seem to make sense that Joe D. might prioritize his attempts to find a suitable new home for Rip Hamilton who is a one-dimensional player without a great deal of further value to the Pistons … but who might be of considerable value to a playoff contender for a non-exorbitant price-tag.

By: Vince

Vince — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:53:14 +0000

@George

Technically, yes. But lets face it, Macklin is replacing Maxiell in the lineup (at least thats what I understood when we drafted him) , Macklin can also play Center so its not all lost. That gives us a rotation of JJ/CV/Macklin/Maxiell at PF and Monroe/Wallace/Macklin at Center. I could live with those rotations.

By: getsomepistons

getsomepistons — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:06:39 +0000

A 7’1″ double-double shot-blocking center would get 10-12 million a year in the old CBA. If Tayshaun is worth 7 or so million like we’d think, then we’d have to throw in some other incentive to land a player like DeAndre Jordan.

Which, you know, pisses me off, because we could have drafted the guy. Eat shit, Walter Sharpe.

By: Jay

Jay — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:39:57 +0000

*love

By: Jay

Jay — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 02:38:36 +0000

I live Tayshaun probably more than the next guy. But his time in Detroit has come. If Joe D. can’t find a sign-and-trade that Prince agrees to that brings back a shot blocking big, then he just needs to let Prince go. I would just let him free and take all that money I would have paid Prince and put the off out to DeAndre Jordan of the Clippers. He would benefit the Pistons far more in both the short an long term than Tayshaun.
If the Pistons were to overpay a bit for Jordan I think that the Clippers would be unlikely to match the offer considering the history of Donald Sterling. A 7’1″ shot blocking center who can get you 10pts 12boards a night would be far more valuable than all the expirience and toughness that Prince would provide.

By: Gabe

Gabe — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 01:14:51 +0000

This thread melted my brain a little.