Comments on: Former Piston Dennis Rodman the seventh best power forward of the last 30 years http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 18 May 2013 16:34:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33718 tarsier Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:29:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33718 And it's not like Sheed would have accomplished much more as the man. And it’s not like Sheed would have accomplished much more as the man.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33717 tarsier Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:28:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33717 Bosh's case would be very similar to Gasol's. I think either has a legit argument t make for the last spot but certainly won't take it hands down. Amare has mostly played at the 5, but I still think of him as a 4. But maybe that's just me. Bosh’s case would be very similar to Gasol’s. I think either has a legit argument t make for the last spot but certainly won’t take it hands down. Amare has mostly played at the 5, but I still think of him as a 4. But maybe that’s just me.

]]> By: kamal http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33713 kamal Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:10:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33713 Bosh is similar to Gasol in regards to not doing jack when he was the man in Toronto.  I think they went to two playoffs during his tenure.  Then, like Gasol, he goes to a team with better players and NOW he's a top player. If Stoudemire is considered a 4, I'd put him on the list over Kemp and Gasol.  But I think he's played most of his career at the 5.  Bosh is similar to Gasol in regards to not doing jack when he was the man in Toronto.  I think they went to two playoffs during his tenure.  Then, like Gasol, he goes to a team with better players and NOW he’s a top player.

If Stoudemire is considered a 4, I’d put him on the list over Kemp and Gasol.  But I think he’s played most of his career at the 5. 

]]> By: RyanK http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33711 RyanK Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:38:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33711 There have been a lot of good big forwards the last 30 years.  Sheed doesn't make the list for most people, but that's only because his stats don't compare favorably.  Keep in mind, man to man defense doesn't show up in the stat box, but IS 50% of the game.  Sheed did that better than Barkley, Dirk, Webber, and Gasol...comparable to McHale, Malone, and Garnett.  Yes, they were better rebounders...yes they took more shots per game...   With his defense and his inside-outside game that none of them had, Sheed belongs in the the conversation for top 10.   Throw in the Guaran-Sheed and you have to put him in the top 10...none of the others had that!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZPZqumvnDY There have been a lot of good big forwards the last 30 years.  Sheed doesn’t make the list for most people, but that’s only because his stats don’t compare favorably.  Keep in mind, man to man defense doesn’t show up in the stat box, but IS 50% of the game.  Sheed did that better than Barkley, Dirk, Webber, and Gasol…comparable to McHale, Malone, and Garnett.  Yes, they were better rebounders…yes they took more shots per game…   With his defense and his inside-outside game that none of them had, Sheed belongs in the the conversation for top 10.
 
Throw in the Guaran-Sheed and you have to put him in the top 10…none of the others had that!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZPZqumvnDY

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33710 tarsier Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:26:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33710 Heck, you could make a case for Bosh or Stoudemire at that 10th spot. Heck, you could make a case for Bosh or Stoudemire at that 10th spot.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33709 tarsier Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:23:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33709 Still better than Kemp Still better than Kemp

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33708 tarsier Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:22:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33708 I was thinking the exact same thing. I was thinking the exact same thing.

]]> By: kamal http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33705 kamal Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:14:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33705 I put Rasheed on the list due to him being on winning teams throughout his career.   8 or 9 conference finals.  177 playoff games.  4 time all star.  he was a big time player.  He never had the monster stats like his contemporaries, but I think he was always surrounded with a more balanced team.  He could've scored more, but never had to force anything playing with Hamilton, Billups, Prince (and the Portland squad) Rider, Wells, Smith, Stoudamire, Sabonis, Derrick Anderson, Randolph and Schrempf.  He could've grabbed more boards but he played with Muresan, Randolph, Sabonis, Dale Davis, Brian Grant, Dice and Big Ben. I don't think he was ever a big scorer.  He just scored enough to win.  Hell, I think he only averaged 16 in high school; only 16 in college. My friend and I have this argument all the time with Derrick Coleman.  My friend knocks his career because he felt that his talent SHOULD have garnered him GOAT status at the 4.  I don't agree.  He was an all star and put up some pretty good numbers in the NBA.  I'd say his career was a success.  Same with Rasheed.  People say he should have been better based on his skills.  I think he had a great career.  Numbers and stats don't always tell the story.  I'll take Rasheed's career over Abdur-Rahim, who put up much better numbers over his career than Rasheed.  I put Rasheed on the list due to him being on winning teams throughout his career.   8 or 9 conference finals.  177 playoff games.  4 time all star.  he was a big time player.  He never had the monster stats like his contemporaries, but I think he was always surrounded with a more balanced team.  He could’ve scored more, but never had to force anything playing with Hamilton, Billups, Prince (and the Portland squad) Rider, Wells, Smith, Stoudamire, Sabonis, Derrick Anderson, Randolph and Schrempf.  He could’ve grabbed more boards but he played with Muresan, Randolph, Sabonis, Dale Davis, Brian Grant, Dice and Big Ben.

I don’t think he was ever a big scorer.  He just scored enough to win.  Hell, I think he only averaged 16 in high school; only 16 in college.

My friend and I have this argument all the time with Derrick Coleman.  My friend knocks his career because he felt that his talent SHOULD have garnered him GOAT status at the 4.  I don’t agree.  He was an all star and put up some pretty good numbers in the NBA.  I’d say his career was a success.  Same with Rasheed.  People say he should have been better based on his skills.  I think he had a great career.  Numbers and stats don’t always tell the story.  I’ll take Rasheed’s career over Abdur-Rahim, who put up much better numbers over his career than Rasheed. 

]]> By: JoshB http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33704 JoshB Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:05:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33704 I wouldn't want to put Sheed on this list, because when you look at everybody else on it you can probably say that they maximized the talent they had, whereas you couldn't come close to saying that for Sheed. He had arguably top 5 talent, but never came close to realizing that on a consistent level. When I look at those two bottom spots on the list I'm not really comfortable with those guys either. Hopefully this current crop of 4's(Blake, Aldridge, Ibaka) will help to make this list look a little more solid from top to bottom I wouldn’t want to put Sheed on this list, because when you look at everybody else on it you can probably say that they maximized the talent they had, whereas you couldn’t come close to saying that for Sheed. He had arguably top 5 talent, but never came close to realizing that on a consistent level. When I look at those two bottom spots on the list I’m not really comfortable with those guys either. Hopefully this current crop of 4′s(Blake, Aldridge, Ibaka) will help to make this list look a little more solid from top to bottom

]]> By: kamal http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/former-piston-dennis-rodman-the-seventh-best-power-forward-of-the-last-30-years/comment-page-1/#comment-33702 kamal Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:57:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=7115#comment-33702 I think Rasheed should have made it over Gasol.  Gasol was going nowhere in Memphis and wasn't making a mark.  Then in LA, with the exact same production, he's an All NBA player?  Not buying it.  He just went to a better team.  As a matter of fact, What has he done in his career that has been better than Zach Randolph or Elton Brand?  It's not like Gasol is the reason why the Lakers are a contender.  He's a major reason why they won it all two years straight, but he's replaceable with about 4 or 5 other guys out there, IMO. Kemp shouldn't be on this list either.  I could easily make the case for Tom Chambers, Larry Johnson, Vin Baker, or Derrick Coleman over Kemp.  I would roll with Buck Williams or even Terry Cummings.  1.  Malone 2.  Barkley 3.  Duncan 4.  Garnett 5.  McHale 6.  Nowitzki 7.  Rodman 8.  Webber 9.  Buck Williams/Terry Cummings 10.Rasheed I think Rasheed should have made it over Gasol.  Gasol was going nowhere in Memphis and wasn’t making a mark.  Then in LA, with the exact same production, he’s an All NBA player?  Not buying it.  He just went to a better team.  As a matter of fact, What has he done in his career that has been better than Zach Randolph or Elton Brand?  It’s not like Gasol is the reason why the Lakers are a contender.  He’s a major reason why they won it all two years straight, but he’s replaceable with about 4 or 5 other guys out there, IMO.

Kemp shouldn’t be on this list either.  I could easily make the case for Tom Chambers, Larry Johnson, Vin Baker, or Derrick Coleman over Kemp.  I would roll with Buck Williams or even Terry Cummings. 

1.  Malone
2.  Barkley
3.  Duncan
4.  Garnett
5.  McHale
6.  Nowitzki
7.  Rodman
8.  Webber
9.  Buck Williams/Terry Cummings
10.Rasheed

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