Comments on: Even if lockout ends, free agency could still be pretty uneventful leaguewide http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 04:37:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Tre http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32511 Tre Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:34:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32511 I'd get rid of Charlie before Gordon OR Rip . Rip produces MUCH more than both of the Two, his contract is Valuable AND he is a Trade asset . . . Why use the clause on him ? Charlie V is a BIG contract for a player with NO VALUE ! Ben Gordon has a BIG contract for a player who produces little , BUT still has some left in the tank , Anyone shouldn't write Gordon off yet. He's Young , and a Scoring threat that produces , several teams could use that ! Here's a much simple breakdown : 1. Get rid of BIG contract w/ Value as far as producing on the court , or being a trade asset (Rip) 2. Get rid of BIG contract owed to a player with NO Value at all AND is the most over paid player in the league . . . as far as production goes. (Charlie) 3.Get rid of the BIG contract of a producing, young scorer that still has potential AND some left in the tank = Value (Ben) Idk about you guys but if I'm Gores ; (If Clause is in new CBA) I'm releasing Charlie V , Keep Rip until contract expires with ONE exception ; we can get a quality Big (Boozer Or Throw in more pieces and get a Jazz Big) And Keep Gordon also , but try to move him for ANYONE who can get in and fit in GREAT with Monroe and Knight (Perhaps a Carl Landry , Strong on the Defensive end , Young , and produces at the offensive side as well) ! If we keep rip until contract expires and Buy-out Charlie, Well have much $ to get a SUPERstar in 2012's free agency that'll be waaayy more loaded than than last years ! I’d get rid of Charlie before Gordon OR Rip .
Rip produces MUCH more than both of the Two, his contract is Valuable AND he is a Trade asset . . . Why use the clause on him ?
Charlie V is a BIG contract for a player with NO VALUE !
Ben Gordon has a BIG contract for a player who produces little , BUT still has some left in the tank , Anyone shouldn’t write Gordon off yet. He’s Young , and a Scoring threat that produces , several teams could use that ! Here’s a much simple breakdown :

1. Get rid of BIG contract w/ Value as far as producing on the court , or being a trade asset (Rip)
2. Get rid of BIG contract owed to a player with NO Value at all AND is the most over paid player in the league . . . as far as production goes.
(Charlie)
3.Get rid of the BIG contract of a producing, young scorer that still has potential AND some left in the tank = Value
(Ben)
Idk about you guys but if I’m Gores ; (If Clause is in new CBA) I’m releasing Charlie V , Keep Rip until contract expires with ONE exception ; we can get a quality Big (Boozer Or Throw in more pieces and get a Jazz Big) And Keep Gordon also , but try to move him for ANYONE who can get in and fit in GREAT with Monroe and Knight (Perhaps a Carl Landry , Strong on the Defensive end , Young , and produces at the offensive side as well) ! If we keep rip until contract expires and Buy-out Charlie, Well have much $ to get a SUPERstar in 2012′s free agency that’ll be waaayy more loaded than than last years !

]]> By: Jacob http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32496 Jacob Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:03:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32496 Absolutely agree on Gordon. I've been asking for about 2 years now why we signed him. I'll take Rip at 33 with a comparable contract that comes off the books sooner, than Gordon at 27 who's being paid like a superstar but can't find a role. Honestly, out of the potential candidates whatever coach we get is still going to have a hard time succeeding until we thin out the guard rotation. That's got to be a priority. Of course so much is contingent on the new CBA who knows what we can do? Absolutely agree on Gordon. I’ve been asking for about 2 years now why we signed him. I’ll take Rip at 33 with a comparable contract that comes off the books sooner, than Gordon at 27 who’s being paid like a superstar but can’t find a role. Honestly, out of the potential candidates whatever coach we get is still going to have a hard time succeeding until we thin out the guard rotation. That’s got to be a priority. Of course so much is contingent on the new CBA who knows what we can do?

]]> By: Steve K http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32481 Steve K Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:34:26 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32481 Totally agree with Laser on this one. Gordon is the contract that needs to go. Of course, I doubt that would happen because -- even if there was an amnesty granted -- it would force Gores to pay a whopping $37.2million for the right to dump Gordon.  That's gonna be a tough pill to swallow. Totally agree with Laser on this one. Gordon is the contract that needs to go. Of course, I doubt that would happen because — even if there was an amnesty granted — it would force Gores to pay a whopping $37.2million for the right to dump Gordon. 

That’s gonna be a tough pill to swallow.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32467 Laser Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:00:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32467 prince can sign anywhere, but the only way a team over the cap could offer him more than the midlevel exception is through a sign-and-trade with us, assuming the rules were the same in the new CBA, which would be a big "if." teams could also offer him an extra year and higher annual raises if they involved the pistons, so if a team wants to offer the best package for him (since he's free to pick where he goes), even if it's in the midlevel exception range, they could tack on that extra year and/or offer slightly more money than the base midlevel exception. i don't know if any of that is realistic, but i do feel like prince should command a salary in the ballpark of his current one. i think he would be invaluable to any contender out there. he's so versatile and durable and has such good basketball IQ, and a good locker room guy, he'd be an instant rotation staple anywhere. personally i'd be pretty happy to have him back. prince can sign anywhere, but the only way a team over the cap could offer him more than the midlevel exception is through a sign-and-trade with us, assuming the rules were the same in the new CBA, which would be a big “if.” teams could also offer him an extra year and higher annual raises if they involved the pistons, so if a team wants to offer the best package for him (since he’s free to pick where he goes), even if it’s in the midlevel exception range, they could tack on that extra year and/or offer slightly more money than the base midlevel exception.

i don’t know if any of that is realistic, but i do feel like prince should command a salary in the ballpark of his current one. i think he would be invaluable to any contender out there. he’s so versatile and durable and has such good basketball IQ, and a good locker room guy, he’d be an instant rotation staple anywhere.

personally i’d be pretty happy to have him back.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32466 Laser Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:51:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32466 your assumption is baseless. <strong>charlie v</strong> isn't our worst contract. he may be a total dog, but at least he plays a position where we're thin and could use him once or twice a season. not to mention that his salary isn't prohibitive. knowing the pistons, right now i think they'd foolishly waste the amnesty on<strong> rip</strong>. it would accomplish several of their misguided goals at once, and i have a strong feeling joe dumars has a handful of misguided goals at the very top of his To Do list. for a third realistic candidate, there's <strong>ben gordon</strong>, whom i personally consider the worst problem on the roster by such a wide margin it's a chore to discuss. too much money, too many years, a horrendous fit, we have too many guards and almost all of them are eensy weensy. dump him. i've even heard max's name thrown around by some clueless fan as who he/she/it would cut. but it's going to be a guard. bet on that. rip and gordon can't be on the same roster. i hope and pray joe realizes gordon is the one who needs to go and cuts his losses, amnesty or not. i can't stand the thought of a guard rotation with this kind of size problems. your assumption is baseless. charlie v isn’t our worst contract. he may be a total dog, but at least he plays a position where we’re thin and could use him once or twice a season. not to mention that his salary isn’t prohibitive.

knowing the pistons, right now i think they’d foolishly waste the amnesty on rip. it would accomplish several of their misguided goals at once, and i have a strong feeling joe dumars has a handful of misguided goals at the very top of his To Do list.

for a third realistic candidate, there’s ben gordon, whom i personally consider the worst problem on the roster by such a wide margin it’s a chore to discuss. too much money, too many years, a horrendous fit, we have too many guards and almost all of them are eensy weensy. dump him.

i’ve even heard max’s name thrown around by some clueless fan as who he/she/it would cut.

but it’s going to be a guard. bet on that. rip and gordon can’t be on the same roster. i hope and pray joe realizes gordon is the one who needs to go and cuts his losses, amnesty or not. i can’t stand the thought of a guard rotation with this kind of size problems.

]]> By: Alan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32459 Alan Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:08:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32459 If the Pistons exercise an amnesty provision for one contract, it will be Charlie Vs.  It only cost a few million more than Hamilton and Rip's contract expires next season.  So, Rip could be traded.  In fact, if the entire 2011 season is lost and the new CBA allows for an amnesty provision, the Pistons could trade Rip and dump CV and be in pretty good shape to start the 2012 season.  How abou that!?!?! If the Pistons exercise an amnesty provision for one contract, it will be Charlie Vs.  It only cost a few million more than Hamilton and Rip’s contract expires next season.  So, Rip could be traded.  In fact, if the entire 2011 season is lost and the new CBA allows for an amnesty provision, the Pistons could trade Rip and dump CV and be in pretty good shape to start the 2012 season.  How abou that!?!?!

]]> By: neutes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32458 neutes Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:47:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32458 If the Pistons renounce his rights they can't sign him for more than they have in cap space, which would be nothing since they have Stuckey's rights still, so there could be no sign-and-trade. And this assumes their would still be Bird rights in the new CBA, or that things would still operate close to how they are now. If the NBA is going to go to a hard cap it will be phased in so there would be no point in offering the amnesty deal until the final season before the hard cap is final, as a last resort. Offering it the first year would just create a situation for owners to get themselves in another mess before the hard cap comes into play. If the Pistons renounce his rights they can’t sign him for more than they have in cap space, which would be nothing since they have Stuckey’s rights still, so there could be no sign-and-trade. And this assumes their would still be Bird rights in the new CBA, or that things would still operate close to how they are now. If the NBA is going to go to a hard cap it will be phased in so there would be no point in offering the amnesty deal until the final season before the hard cap is final, as a last resort. Offering it the first year would just create a situation for owners to get themselves in another mess before the hard cap comes into play.

]]> By: Quick Darshan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/07/even-if-lockout-ends-free-agency-could-still-be-pretty-uneventful-leaguewide/comment-page-1/#comment-32456 Quick Darshan Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:22:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6879#comment-32456 What is the benefit of not renouncing Prince's rights?  Can Prince sign anywhere he wants and the Pistons have the option of taking a player back or getting a trade exemption?  Or do the Pistons have to seek out a trade partner? What is the benefit of not renouncing Prince’s rights?  Can Prince sign anywhere he wants and the Pistons have the option of taking a player back or getting a trade exemption?  Or do the Pistons have to seek out a trade partner?

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