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	<title>Comments on: Vincent Goodwill and Vince Ellis call DaJuan Summers one of the Pistons&#8217; most mature players last season</title>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my apologies for the big block of text. it didn&#039;t post the first time and got messed the f up. you probably won&#039;t read it now. but you should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my apologies for the big block of text. it didn&#8217;t post the first time and got messed the f up. you probably won&#8217;t read it now. but you should.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, a bit more:  what kuester thinks or doesn&#039;t think is irrelevant to me. the man proved his incompetence and fecklessness again and again this season. rather, i&#039;d probably assume that whatever decisions he made were the wrong ones and just go ahead and do the opposite. the season certainly would have gone better.  i&#039;d say the same for the organization, as well. the exact same. they haven&#039;t done &lt;strong&gt;a thing&lt;/strong&gt; to regain my trust after working so hard and so consistently since 2008 to lose it. so based on nothing other than their recent track record of being the worst front office in the NBA, giving away guys like Chauncey and Afflalo for nothing, locking up both Gordon and Rip to rich long-term contracts, and with their rotten cap situation, i wouldn&#039;t trust their judgment on whether or not he merited a qualifying offer.  that said, a quick glance at our current roster size says it all. i count thirteen guys under contract if the pistons give all three draft picks a roster spot. terrico white would make fourteen (i doubt he gets a qualifying offer. probably because he&#039;s &quot;not good enough,&quot; right? couldn&#039;t possibly be a simple numbers game. naw, couldn&#039;t be that.), and i haven&#039;t even gotten to tracy or tayshaun (either of whom the organization could make a case to at least try to bring back). i&#039;m absolutely 100% certain the front office would like to add another big man, whether that means bringing wilcox back or not, or whether they get this big man through trade or free agency. and they&#039;ve said in plain english that, all things being equal, it&#039;s the organization&#039;s preference to have an open roster spot to maintain flexibility.  ok, so you&#039;re going to pay summers a million dollars and very possibly have to cut him anyways, because you have no idea how the rest of the offseason is going to play out. once again, it&#039;s easy to make sense of these things independent of his abilities. if the pistons had taken a big man with #33 it would be easier to justify keeping summers at such a low price, but they didn&#039;t. singler&#039;s a cheaper alternative, and passing on a big man with our first two picks greatly increased the likelihood that we&#039;d end up giving a roster spot to the big man we had to snag with #52.  once again, i&#039;ve proven to be both skeptical and open-minded, asking questions and looking at the big picture, taking in all the angles... you know, the usual laser stuff. and most of all, no longer trusting this organization to make sense. once you start viewing this organization as being run by feckless assholes who have no plan or clue, only a staunch belief that everything they do is right and everything that goes wrong is the result of bad luck.  oh, also: 42.9% on threes. why ignore that? i guess it&#039;s convenient or something. a meaningless little offensive category and, oddly enough, the &lt;strong&gt;one &lt;/strong&gt;area of his game where the pistons did not get a sample size sufficient to judge his performance.  and finally: kudos on your stance that a second-round pick who&#039;s wallowed in obscurity for his first two seasons doesn&#039;t probably break out and make an impact in the NBA. i don&#039;t know how you mustered that bold prediction, but you&#039;ve certainly gone out on a limb and i admire that. you know who else isn&#039;t probably going to make an impact on the NBA? let&#039;s say exactly half of the guys ahead of him in last year&#039;s perimeter rotation. and that&#039;s what you don&#039;t seem to get. i&#039;m not high on summers, i just don&#039;t think he&#039;s any worse than, say, charlie villanueva.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, a bit more:  what kuester thinks or doesn&#8217;t think is irrelevant to me. the man proved his incompetence and fecklessness again and again this season. rather, i&#8217;d probably assume that whatever decisions he made were the wrong ones and just go ahead and do the opposite. the season certainly would have gone better.  i&#8217;d say the same for the organization, as well. the exact same. they haven&#8217;t done <strong>a thing</strong> to regain my trust after working so hard and so consistently since 2008 to lose it. so based on nothing other than their recent track record of being the worst front office in the NBA, giving away guys like Chauncey and Afflalo for nothing, locking up both Gordon and Rip to rich long-term contracts, and with their rotten cap situation, i wouldn&#8217;t trust their judgment on whether or not he merited a qualifying offer.  that said, a quick glance at our current roster size says it all. i count thirteen guys under contract if the pistons give all three draft picks a roster spot. terrico white would make fourteen (i doubt he gets a qualifying offer. probably because he&#8217;s &#8220;not good enough,&#8221; right? couldn&#8217;t possibly be a simple numbers game. naw, couldn&#8217;t be that.), and i haven&#8217;t even gotten to tracy or tayshaun (either of whom the organization could make a case to at least try to bring back). i&#8217;m absolutely 100% certain the front office would like to add another big man, whether that means bringing wilcox back or not, or whether they get this big man through trade or free agency. and they&#8217;ve said in plain english that, all things being equal, it&#8217;s the organization&#8217;s preference to have an open roster spot to maintain flexibility.  ok, so you&#8217;re going to pay summers a million dollars and very possibly have to cut him anyways, because you have no idea how the rest of the offseason is going to play out. once again, it&#8217;s easy to make sense of these things independent of his abilities. if the pistons had taken a big man with #33 it would be easier to justify keeping summers at such a low price, but they didn&#8217;t. singler&#8217;s a cheaper alternative, and passing on a big man with our first two picks greatly increased the likelihood that we&#8217;d end up giving a roster spot to the big man we had to snag with #52.  once again, i&#8217;ve proven to be both skeptical and open-minded, asking questions and looking at the big picture, taking in all the angles&#8230; you know, the usual laser stuff. and most of all, no longer trusting this organization to make sense. once you start viewing this organization as being run by feckless assholes who have no plan or clue, only a staunch belief that everything they do is right and everything that goes wrong is the result of bad luck.  oh, also: 42.9% on threes. why ignore that? i guess it&#8217;s convenient or something. a meaningless little offensive category and, oddly enough, the <strong>one </strong>area of his game where the pistons did not get a sample size sufficient to judge his performance.  and finally: kudos on your stance that a second-round pick who&#8217;s wallowed in obscurity for his first two seasons doesn&#8217;t probably break out and make an impact in the NBA. i don&#8217;t know how you mustered that bold prediction, but you&#8217;ve certainly gone out on a limb and i admire that. you know who else isn&#8217;t probably going to make an impact on the NBA? let&#8217;s say exactly half of the guys ahead of him in last year&#8217;s perimeter rotation. and that&#8217;s what you don&#8217;t seem to get. i&#8217;m not high on summers, i just don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s any worse than, say, charlie villanueva.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
		<link>http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/vincent-goodwill-and-vince-ellis-call-dajuan-summers-one-of-the-pistons-most-mature-players-last-season/comment-page-1/#comment-32179</link>
		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also: on jerebko v summers...

the stated reason for jerebko being our emergency SF when tayshaun went down was that jerebko had two years of professional experience under his belt in europe and was more ready to defend opposing SFs. makes sense, too. he blasted out of the gate and his play made it impossible to bench him. i don&#039;t think you&#039;d get any argument from anyone if you said he was our best player. i also don&#039;t think you&#039;d get any argument if you said he&#039;s objectively better than summers. tayshaun is objectively better than summers, too. but the merit-based pecking order ends there. jonas and tayshaun are rocks. but tayshaun&#039;s one of the few players whose role and minutes were 100% justified, and jonas was out.

the issue is with the rest of the pack: stuckey, bynum, mcgrady, rip, gordon, daye and even charlie v. a bunch of flawed, unspectacular players that each have perfectly comprehensible (whether justified or not) reasons to play ahead of summers. regardless of ability. if you&#039;ve got eight equally unspectacular perimeter players (and i&#039;m sure summers is flawed, too. i can&#039;t possibly stress enough that &lt;strong&gt;i&#039;m not arguing that summers is great&lt;/strong&gt;, just that i don&#039;t TRUST this organization enough to assume that he was squeezed out of the rotation by being a worse player than the guys in front of him), not everybody is going to be able to play. it&#039;s a numbers game.

i always considered you one of the more astute commenters here, but god only knows where you got this faith in the organization that they&#039;re running things properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also: on jerebko v summers&#8230;</p>
<p>the stated reason for jerebko being our emergency SF when tayshaun went down was that jerebko had two years of professional experience under his belt in europe and was more ready to defend opposing SFs. makes sense, too. he blasted out of the gate and his play made it impossible to bench him. i don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d get any argument from anyone if you said he was our best player. i also don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d get any argument if you said he&#8217;s objectively better than summers. tayshaun is objectively better than summers, too. but the merit-based pecking order ends there. jonas and tayshaun are rocks. but tayshaun&#8217;s one of the few players whose role and minutes were 100% justified, and jonas was out.</p>
<p>the issue is with the rest of the pack: stuckey, bynum, mcgrady, rip, gordon, daye and even charlie v. a bunch of flawed, unspectacular players that each have perfectly comprehensible (whether justified or not) reasons to play ahead of summers. regardless of ability. if you&#8217;ve got eight equally unspectacular perimeter players (and i&#8217;m sure summers is flawed, too. i can&#8217;t possibly stress enough that <strong>i&#8217;m not arguing that summers is great</strong>, just that i don&#8217;t TRUST this organization enough to assume that he was squeezed out of the rotation by being a worse player than the guys in front of him), not everybody is going to be able to play. it&#8217;s a numbers game.</p>
<p>i always considered you one of the more astute commenters here, but god only knows where you got this faith in the organization that they&#8217;re running things properly.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you said he couldn&#039;t beat out rip or daye for PT. you weren&#039;t privy to what went on behind closed doors, so your assertion is based on an assumption that the pistons organization is run like a standard professional sports team, where performance is paramount. i saw with my own eyes that this wasn&#039;t the case, so i&#039;ll make no assumptions about how deserving summers was of playing time.

rip was a co-captain and was given way too many chances for anyone to say he &quot;earned&quot; the minutes he got. he was also our highest paid player and someone we&#039;ve wanted to trade for years. so he had to play. there you have a bunch of reasons he&#039;s going to get minutes, without having to even consider his on-court performance.

daye was a first-round pick who detroit knew would be a project. if you don&#039;t give him some burn, you&#039;ve wasted a perfectly good mid-first round pick. also, by last season it became abundantly clear to everyone that this team needed playmaking, and dumars passed on some nice young point guards to draft daye. personally, i&#039;d never ever draft a project like daye at small forward (who&#039;s going to require as much time to develop as any big man), but now that you drafted him you have to follow through. he&#039;s a potential matchup nightmare down the road, and nobody would ever argue summers had a higher ceiling, so he was one piston who needed more than anyone. maybe more than monroe. after one year, monroe is widely (and probably rightly) considered our best player; heading into his third season, daye remains a project with no reasonable timetable yet to emerge as a complete player.

you just won&#039;t convince me that summers ever stood a chance here.

i think the pistons had 13 rotation-quality players who could contribute in the right role and system, but basically everyone on the roster is a role player with major flaws, and there was never much of a clear pecking order. you&#039;ve got a bunch of players, mostly on the perimeter, few of whom had actual positions, and when that&#039;s the case it can easily come down to a simple numbers game. when kuester cut rip and bynum out of the rotation (bynum was wisely reinserted after one game), he said himself that it was just a numbers game. there are only 240 minutes to go around, and you&#039;d like to have some consistency, right?

every healthy body started at least once. everyone except ben gordon got a DNP-CD, and he accomplished nothing on the floor all season, making him a &lt;strong&gt;prime&lt;/strong&gt; candidate for a temporary benching. rip started well past the point when it was obvious he was ineffective. stuckey stunk up the place, regressed and rebelled all season, and he was basically entrenched, even after his slaps on the wrist and persistent petulance and ineffectiveness. one of daye or maxiell started at PF for such a long stretch to start the season it could make your head spin, and neither was any good.

we all saw enough evidence last season that the pistons did not operate on a level playing field and that there were plenty of reasons (whether good or not) why someone who&#039;s basically as good as the 12 other mediocre players gets squeezed out. daye, jerebko and monroe weren&#039;t all going to work here, and nobody could have sensibly predicted they would. and all you need to do is point to the numbers game. no assumptions necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you said he couldn&#8217;t beat out rip or daye for PT. you weren&#8217;t privy to what went on behind closed doors, so your assertion is based on an assumption that the pistons organization is run like a standard professional sports team, where performance is paramount. i saw with my own eyes that this wasn&#8217;t the case, so i&#8217;ll make no assumptions about how deserving summers was of playing time.</p>
<p>rip was a co-captain and was given way too many chances for anyone to say he &#8220;earned&#8221; the minutes he got. he was also our highest paid player and someone we&#8217;ve wanted to trade for years. so he had to play. there you have a bunch of reasons he&#8217;s going to get minutes, without having to even consider his on-court performance.</p>
<p>daye was a first-round pick who detroit knew would be a project. if you don&#8217;t give him some burn, you&#8217;ve wasted a perfectly good mid-first round pick. also, by last season it became abundantly clear to everyone that this team needed playmaking, and dumars passed on some nice young point guards to draft daye. personally, i&#8217;d never ever draft a project like daye at small forward (who&#8217;s going to require as much time to develop as any big man), but now that you drafted him you have to follow through. he&#8217;s a potential matchup nightmare down the road, and nobody would ever argue summers had a higher ceiling, so he was one piston who needed more than anyone. maybe more than monroe. after one year, monroe is widely (and probably rightly) considered our best player; heading into his third season, daye remains a project with no reasonable timetable yet to emerge as a complete player.</p>
<p>you just won&#8217;t convince me that summers ever stood a chance here.</p>
<p>i think the pistons had 13 rotation-quality players who could contribute in the right role and system, but basically everyone on the roster is a role player with major flaws, and there was never much of a clear pecking order. you&#8217;ve got a bunch of players, mostly on the perimeter, few of whom had actual positions, and when that&#8217;s the case it can easily come down to a simple numbers game. when kuester cut rip and bynum out of the rotation (bynum was wisely reinserted after one game), he said himself that it was just a numbers game. there are only 240 minutes to go around, and you&#8217;d like to have some consistency, right?</p>
<p>every healthy body started at least once. everyone except ben gordon got a DNP-CD, and he accomplished nothing on the floor all season, making him a <strong>prime</strong> candidate for a temporary benching. rip started well past the point when it was obvious he was ineffective. stuckey stunk up the place, regressed and rebelled all season, and he was basically entrenched, even after his slaps on the wrist and persistent petulance and ineffectiveness. one of daye or maxiell started at PF for such a long stretch to start the season it could make your head spin, and neither was any good.</p>
<p>we all saw enough evidence last season that the pistons did not operate on a level playing field and that there were plenty of reasons (whether good or not) why someone who&#8217;s basically as good as the 12 other mediocre players gets squeezed out. daye, jerebko and monroe weren&#8217;t all going to work here, and nobody could have sensibly predicted they would. and all you need to do is point to the numbers game. no assumptions necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: brgulker</title>
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		<dc:creator>brgulker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 13:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not &lt;em&gt;assuming &lt;/em&gt;anything. I&#039;m making an &lt;em&gt;argument &lt;/em&gt;based on facts, and then making &lt;em&gt;inferences &lt;/em&gt;that appear to be supported by those facts. Understand the difference?

We know for a fact that John Kuester was willing to play young players over highly-paid veterans. Jonas Jerebko is the perfect example of this. A second-round pick from Sweden that nobody expected to contribute started over the newly-signed Charlie Villanueva. Love Kuester or hate him, that did take some stones.

We can infer from this fact, given that Summers and Jerebko were touted by the team as combo forward with versatility to play multiple positions, that Summers did not outplay Jerebko. Why can we infer this? Because Jerebko started, and Summers did not.  We can also infer from this that Summers did not outplay Charlie V? Why can we infer this? Because Kuester didn&#039;t hesitate to bench big money players in favor of youth, as demonstrated with the JJ/Charlie arrangement. 

That is not to say that I think all of Kuester&#039;s moves were this calculated (i.e., I&#039;m not arguing that there was rhyme or reason to everything he did). I&#039;m saying that in this specific instance, there are very good reasons to believe that Kuester did not believe Summers was NBA-ready. 

And we can further say, given the franchise hasn&#039;t extended a QO, that the management of the team feels similarly. 

I think that&#039;s pretty well-supported by facts.

Now I&#039;ll give my opinion: the Pistons are right about this one. Summers hasn&#039;t demonstrated he&#039;s a rotation-caliber player.

Now I&#039;ll give a prediction: Summers won&#039;t become a productive NBA who regularly contributes to the rotation of a winning team.  He wasn&#039;t outstanding in college, and he didn&#039;t develop at the professional level. Those types of players don&#039;t stick for a reason. The &lt;em&gt;only &lt;/em&gt;reason we&#039;re debating this is because he wore the jersey of our favorite team, and there&#039;s bias as a result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not <em>assuming </em>anything. I&#8217;m making an <em>argument </em>based on facts, and then making <em>inferences </em>that appear to be supported by those facts. Understand the difference?</p>
<p>We know for a fact that John Kuester was willing to play young players over highly-paid veterans. Jonas Jerebko is the perfect example of this. A second-round pick from Sweden that nobody expected to contribute started over the newly-signed Charlie Villanueva. Love Kuester or hate him, that did take some stones.</p>
<p>We can infer from this fact, given that Summers and Jerebko were touted by the team as combo forward with versatility to play multiple positions, that Summers did not outplay Jerebko. Why can we infer this? Because Jerebko started, and Summers did not.  We can also infer from this that Summers did not outplay Charlie V? Why can we infer this? Because Kuester didn&#8217;t hesitate to bench big money players in favor of youth, as demonstrated with the JJ/Charlie arrangement. </p>
<p>That is not to say that I think all of Kuester&#8217;s moves were this calculated (i.e., I&#8217;m not arguing that there was rhyme or reason to everything he did). I&#8217;m saying that in this specific instance, there are very good reasons to believe that Kuester did not believe Summers was NBA-ready. </p>
<p>And we can further say, given the franchise hasn&#8217;t extended a QO, that the management of the team feels similarly. </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s pretty well-supported by facts.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ll give my opinion: the Pistons are right about this one. Summers hasn&#8217;t demonstrated he&#8217;s a rotation-caliber player.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ll give a prediction: Summers won&#8217;t become a productive NBA who regularly contributes to the rotation of a winning team.  He wasn&#8217;t outstanding in college, and he didn&#8217;t develop at the professional level. Those types of players don&#8217;t stick for a reason. The <em>only </em>reason we&#8217;re debating this is because he wore the jersey of our favorite team, and there&#8217;s bias as a result.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 04:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i reckon literally every team has more than 12 guys. i think the roster minimum is 13. i&#039;m not going to fact-check this, though, because i don&#039;t think that would be honest of me. i&#039;m going with my gut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i reckon literally every team has more than 12 guys. i think the roster minimum is 13. i&#8217;m not going to fact-check this, though, because i don&#8217;t think that would be honest of me. i&#8217;m going with my gut.</p>
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		<title>By: inigo montoya</title>
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		<dc:creator>inigo montoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I think Summers appears to be a good guy and I was hoping for him to succeed.

Given that, I was a little disappointed in Summers performance in the 6-man rotation game against the 76ers on Feb. 25th. He was the only small forward in that rotation.   Summers played 39 minutes, went 3 for 8, not bad, but only 2 rebounds.  Detroit got beat badly on the boards, 49-32 and Summers could only get 2 rebounds.

I wish him success wherever he goes.  Just the Pistons luck, though, Summers will figure out rebounding and ball handling on some other team and Detroit could not just wait for him anymore.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Summers appears to be a good guy and I was hoping for him to succeed.</p>
<p>Given that, I was a little disappointed in Summers performance in the 6-man rotation game against the 76ers on Feb. 25th. He was the only small forward in that rotation.   Summers played 39 minutes, went 3 for 8, not bad, but only 2 rebounds.  Detroit got beat badly on the boards, 49-32 and Summers could only get 2 rebounds.</p>
<p>I wish him success wherever he goes.  Just the Pistons luck, though, Summers will figure out rebounding and ball handling on some other team and Detroit could not just wait for him anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it a problem if they count against the roster? Just about every team has more than 12 guys, which is all you can have in a game anyway (realistically, how often do more than ten play?). So it&#039;s only if your roster is really injury depleted that losing one or two or three reserve roster spots to the D-league should present any problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it a problem if they count against the roster? Just about every team has more than 12 guys, which is all you can have in a game anyway (realistically, how often do more than ten play?). So it&#8217;s only if your roster is really injury depleted that losing one or two or three reserve roster spots to the D-league should present any problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s not quite how it happened. we effectively traded amir and afflalo for wilcox straight-up. charlie v was signed (along with gordon, natch) before those salary dumps using cap space we got from our shrewd trade of chauncey billups and antonio mcdyess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s not quite how it happened. we effectively traded amir and afflalo for wilcox straight-up. charlie v was signed (along with gordon, natch) before those salary dumps using cap space we got from our shrewd trade of chauncey billups and antonio mcdyess.</p>
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		<title>By: Laser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t get used to caps-lock, buddy. i go back and forth. this one i thought was important enough for it. and, like i said in my reply to ben gulker above, it has more to do with this astounding amount of undue credit feldman (and ben, himself) give the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t get used to caps-lock, buddy. i go back and forth. this one i thought was important enough for it. and, like i said in my reply to ben gulker above, it has more to do with this astounding amount of undue credit feldman (and ben, himself) give the organization.</p>
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