Jun 26, 2011 • 5:09 pmby Tre
I Don’t give it Anything in the A’s because
1. Brandon Knight wasn’t the ‘Best’ pick for Detroit &&
2. He doesn’t fill a ‘Big’ Need !
I do give the pick an B+ though.
1. He has the highest potential than everyone else left on out board (That explains why Dumars picked him , Even when he Never worked out for us ! &&
2. He has tremendous talent !
Overall – Good pick , has potential to be a Great Pick .
Jun 26, 2011 • 10:25 pmby Jason
Never worked out Monroe, either. It’s worth noting, Biyombo, Thompson, and the 2 international prospects we coveted were all off the board… Not saying I love the pick, but I also understand why Dumars did so.. Im starting to like it more though, being it’s a good sign that we’ll likely part ways with Stuckey or Gordon..
Jun 26, 2011 • 5:42 pmby UnofficialReview
Dumars gets an A from me. It’s great when you can draft a need with the best talent available, but you never want to pass up talent for a need (anyone remember Darko?). All of the bigs Dumars was looking at (from what I hear) were gone by the time the Pistons drafted. Knight was by far the overall consensus best talent available by that point. He is exactly the type of person the team wants to build upon moving forward and is an asset, even if he is a repeat of other players we already have. Plus, most of players on the roster that play the same positions are ones that I think the team would like to get rid of.
Basically, there was no choice once Detroit was on the clock. Good pick, Dumars.
Jun 26, 2011 • 5:56 pmby Tre
A ? Too high in my opinion . Yea Dumars drafted for Need, But than again Getting a PF (Morris Twin) , Alec Burks , Or even Leonard would of filled a Need so If you look at it, Dumars put aside other Needs to grab a player which only makes are roster more complex !
The only factor im grading off of is the fact Dumars took the player that has the highest potential out of all the other prospects left . . .That deserves a High B !
Jun 26, 2011 • 6:11 pmby Laser
i voted A+ because there was no option for “Pass/Fail” or “Incomplete.” this was a no-brainer. best available player and fills a position of need. if you think the pistons didn’t need a point guard, you’re pathetic. they needed one BAD, and knight was a good value at #8. there wasn’t a big man available who deserved to be drafted there. there were no answers left at the power positions. nobody who figured to be significantly better than jonas jerebko, so why bother?
and you want to talk about complicating the roster? we needed to trade a guard anyways. it should never have been rip in the first place, and now it basically has to be ben gordon because our backcourt would be too small now if we traded rip.
Jun 27, 2011 • 5:00 pmby Dan Feldman
Didn’t Greg Monroe fill and a need, and wasn’t he the best player available last year? Why don’t you give Dumars an A+ for that pick, instead of “no credit” as you often state?
Jun 26, 2011 • 6:42 pmby Tre
Nobody said anything about PG not being a Need for the Pistons !
Would you agree that we have a Huge need for a PF && SF as much / if not even More than a need for a PG ?
Stuckey @ PG is more reliable option than BOTH
Days or Jonas @ SF && Jonas or Charlie @ PF !
I’m not saying Knight wasn’t a Good pick BUY reaching for Khawi / Klay , Or A Morris Twin / Kenneth , Or even Trading would of been Equally as Good .
And there were answers at the PF position ? I’m pretty sure that if there weren’t ANY answers at the PF positions (After Pistons picked) than Teams wouldn’t of picked the players they picked , they would of just traded their picks for more valuable assets to some of the Late teams that could use a ‘High’ pick !
And There’s SEVERAL players in this draft that got picked later than 8th that’ll be better than Jonas , so making a statement like ‘Why , bother’ is very close- minded .
I do agree with you though , picking Knight was the right pick for us ! And
please explain to me who’ll take Gordon ? . . . Of better yet what we’d get for Gordon ?
Rip ONLY has value because he’s contract is expiring ! Gordon doesn’t produce ANY better , Gets injured && Contract doesn’t have an expiring contract ! The ONLY way we can move Gordon is if we throw in another descent piece (Stuckey / Jonas / Daye) , && There’s Not much we can get for RIP , Do you agree ? Why or Why Not ?
Jun 26, 2011 • 10:30 pmby Laser
1) our need at the point was every bit as big as our need anywhere else, in that we need to have a point guard, and the closest thing to it on our roster was will bynum (who is highly undersized and would never be given a chance here). bigger need than at sf, where jerebko and daye and even summers were options. bigger need than pf, where we have monroe, jerebko (and charlie v and max making a combined $12 million). this is a point guard dominated league and we haven’t had one since 2008. so yes, this was a position of great need.
2) our options at the forward position were rubbish. we got a high upside guy at his position, where we’d have had to really reach for a forward at that spot.
3) i won’t get into who would take our bad contracts off the books, because i never approved of any of those signings and extensions. that’s joe’s problem. his mess, let him figure out what to do with it. but if we went into next season with a backcourt rotation of stuckey, rip, gordon and bynum it wouldn’t matter who we drafted up front; we’d be terrible and unwatchable.
4) the words “stuckey” “PG” and “reliable” should not be used in the same sentence, unless the word “not” is somewhere in there too.
Jun 26, 2011 • 6:55 pmby Adams
I give the pick an A.
Just so you know, every time I have done a poll on this site, the results dont show up right…
Jun 27, 2011 • 5:03 pmby Dan Feldman
I haven’t had any problems, but I’ve heard the complaints. I’m looking into a different site with polls, but a lot of others also have problems. As soon as I find one that appears like it will work for everyone, I’ll switch.
Jun 26, 2011 • 7:31 pmby Druhouse
Well it seems like a nice pick to give us a solid 1 and 5 with Monroe. But there is some serious cleaning up to do with the backcourt and some help to be signed for the frontcourt. I would like to see BG or RIP shipped out and maybe keep Stuckey as a 6th man at the 2 spot… cause what other team is going to pay him to man their 1 spot? Is there any interest in him?
As long as Monroe keeps on pace with his game and can play a little more D and Knight gets playing time enough to develop, we should have a nice future… in 3 years or so.
I give the pick an A- cause it saves us from having to blow money if someone tries to ridiculously overpay Stuck.
Any chance we can steal Milsap (or Favors) from the Jazz, they seem to have a glut of 4/5s; maybe a sign and trade for Tay?
Great stuff as always. Thanks.
Jun 27, 2011 • 5:05 pmby Dan Feldman
It would make sense for the Jazz to shop Millsap and Al Jefferson (doubt they trade Favors). But I bet they can get better players than the guards the Pistons have available.
Jun 26, 2011 • 7:36 pmby rick
Why draft one of the Morris twins when I could trade one of my guards for maybe one of the glutten of big’s that Utah and Sacramento has or even Minny. Its all about assets baby and I think that drafting one of the big’s after they drafted would have been dumb. Did you forget about Maxiel(the same type of player imo) when you wanted one of the twins? I’m not buying into getting a rotation player on the second half of the draft was better than drafting a point guard. Those players you mentioned are all rotation and solid guys but not NBA All Star talent. Joe obviously in some peoples opinion can do no right no matter what. To say that it wasn’t a A would disengeuous because it was a position of need and you don’t go reaching for a big and pass on a good if not great talent. Look at Rondo and how good he looks with talent around him. Whose to say the same can’t happen with Knight? Get a good coach and system and then we will see how good they really are.
Jun 26, 2011 • 8:12 pmby DSV
I’m on board with Laser – who I’ve noticed has the views of shrewd GM haha… But yeah I share most of his views with the pick – we took the player with the most consensus potential at a position that was far from solid for us. Considering we were in a spot where the bigs Joe D seemed to like were already taken, I personally can’t grade this pick lower than an A. Unless you wanted the Pistons to trade up or just simply have vastly different views on Knight than what seems to be the majority, I don’t know what more you could want.
What needs to be said, however, is that the idea of grading drafts immediately after is a bit arbitrary. Unless a team made a great trade to land them extra picks or on the other hand a very stupid move, grading is just extending the pre draft conversation of which player any person in particular likes a lot. I’ve already said it, but IMO, the draft (especially this one where the top picks have been compared by Chad Ford to Mo Williams and Al Harrington) is a huge crapshoot and the real grading should wait a couple years to figure out who really was the cream of the crop from that year’s pickings. Who really knows if Knight, Biyombo, Thompson, Jimmer, Irving, Williams etc will be really good or bust? For all we know we’ll be wondering why we didn’t try to trade up for Jan Vesely who runs the NBA in 2016.
Nevertheless… sure is fun to shoot the sh*t about it! Especially if you’re not a huge MLB fan hahaha…
Jun 26, 2011 • 8:54 pmby John
Not a huge MLB fan but Verlander is turning me into one. Off topic, I know, but he is killing it right now.
Jun 26, 2011 • 8:52 pmby John
Drafting talent over need was the right choice. Although we NEEDED a pg, we need a big. But no big left (potentially) had more talent than Knight.
Jun 26, 2011 • 9:28 pmby jon
TRE I CAN AGREE WITH YOU ONLY A LITTLE CAUSE THE AVAILABLE GUYS AT OUR 8TH PICK WAS STARTING TO DIMINISH AND THE BEST CHOICE WE HAVE IS KNIGHT CAUSE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO IN THE TOP 5 AND IF NOT THE TOP 3……..THE OTHER GUYS WE GOT LIKE SINGLER WAS A GOOD PICK BASED ON HIM BEING A GOOD LEADER THE PISTONS WOULD NEED BUT IF IT WASNT SINGLER I WOULDVE DRAFTED JON TYLER (USA) CAUSE HE WAS THE LARGEST BIG GUY LEFT ON THE BOARD BUT HEY AT LEAST WE GOT PLAYERS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF WINNING
Jun 26, 2011 • 9:40 pmby neutes
I’m starting to warm up to Knight. I give it a C because the Pistons were backed into a corner with their pick. It could be an A in hindsight, or an F. It all depends on how Knight pans out and nobody can say how that’s going to go right now. One thing is for sure the Pistons aren’t going to be any better next season because of this pick. Maybe in 2-3 years it will pay off.
Jun 26, 2011 • 9:42 pmby Tre
Sooooo if Brandon Knight gets an A than what does Enes, Jonas && Biyombo get ? [Who All were higher on our draft boards (obviously better fits for our team) && All went before 'Knight']
And if he gets an A+ , What would Kyrie or Derrick would have got ?
Jun 26, 2011 • 10:37 pmby Laser
uh… A plusses, too? since they were the best possible picks at the spot they were picked? and if they’d fallen to us at 8 they would also have gotten A plusses. i mean, you can only grade based on a GM’s choice, and joe took the best player he could have. if you draft the best player available, it’s an A+, right? what else could it be? what am i missing here?
Jun 26, 2011 • 9:52 pmby Tre
@ Jon – No I agree with you , Knight was ‘DEFINITELY’ the pick to go @ #8 , But what I’m trying to get across to the fans is: If it wasn’t for the Lockout and players didn’t elect to stay in college Knight would NOT have been a 15-25 pick , FOR SURE ! [Of course depending on who all declared for the draft , But there would of been talent that pushed Kyrie && Derrick out of the Top 5 ‘At the VEEERRYYY Least’ ! But obviously that didn’t happen and we got a Solid prospect w/ HIGH potential in a VERRY WEAK draft , High in the Lottery !! That’s definitely a plus !! I’m just lookin forward to see hoe Dumars build around Knight specifically , We already know Monroe can stand out on a below average team , We need assets that’ll help Bring the best out of Knight ! I like the Rondo comparison as far as having players that’ll better him GREATLY
Jun 26, 2011 • 9:56 pmby Tre
@ Neutus – THANK YOU , people are acting like we just picked up D. Rose . . . Not D Rose when he was drafted but the D Rose that won MVP !!
Knight ‘could’ be a ‘GREAT’ addition to the team , But the GREATLY depends on who’s apart of this rebuilding stage !
Jun 26, 2011 • 11:27 pmby Mike
According to John Calipari Knight is ahead of D-Rose at this point and the ONLY thing Wall has on Knight is he is slightly quicker. Knight set the Kentucky freshman scoring record because Calipari asked him to score.
There were no bigs that were close to Knights ability left at #8. Definitely an A+ pick.
Jun 26, 2011 • 11:39 pmby Tre
@ Laser – It’s incorrect for you to imply that picking the best player automatically give the draft grade an A+ !
If The Heat would of had the first pick of the Draft and picked either Kyrie or Derrick (Without NO intentions on trading them) ; than they would of got a F probaly D for a Draft grade ! Although Kyrie && Derrick are the best Prospects in the draft !
My point simply being- Drafting the Best available talent doesn’t give the grade an automatic ‘A’. . . A+ at that !
I totally agree though , Joe did take the ‘BEST’ player left ! That and the fact that Knight has high potential is why I give the Grade a B / B* , !
As far as The Draft goes I believe an A+ grade would be drafting a player that both Fills a Need ‘GREATLY’ and is able to immediately cause an impact to the team [Bron in 03 , Wall last year] . . . We have multiple Combo guards . . . Adding Knight isn’t filling a Need , I’d understand more if he was actually a True PG [Which he could possibly become ; were yet to see] && I’m not really sure if Knight well produce immediately or even down the road [But once again that's something well have to see in due time] !
I’m a HUGE Knight fan , I love what he accomplished in High School And in College !! And I’m hoping his game can translate to the NBA w/ a little more developing . . . If so , than Well definitely have an AMAZING team for Years to come !
Jun 27, 2011 • 2:29 amby oats
The Heat need a PG in a bad way. Chalmers is a bench guard and the rest of their guys should not be playing. PG and C are their positions of need, and Irving is the best player available. That is an A+ if I ever saw one.
As for making a huge impact immediately, well, no one can be expected to do that in this class period. Given that, you can’t lower the grade because of the guys not in the draft. You grade the pick based on the players available, not on the impact on the team.
Jun 26, 2011 • 11:39 pmby jake
how can anyone say this pick didn’t fill a need? really? we have no reliable options at the most crucial position moving forward, the 2nd best PG prospect (who could end up being the best PG in this draft) falls into our lap at 8 after being talked about going as high as 3, and people are actually gonna complain about that?
give me a break. this draft was an EXTREME success on joe’s part. it was weak at the top, we moved down a spot in the draft, and still came away with one of the best prospects in the whole damn thing.
this is basketball politics. if you’re not informed, please keep your mouth shut.
Jun 27, 2011 • 10:05 amby neutes
You can’t say we filled a need until we know if Knight will be any good, and we won’t know that for awhile, probably not for a year or two. We need a good PG, but if Knight only becomes an average PG, well, we already have an average PG in Stuckey, so we’re just running in circles with this pick. If Knight becomes good then you can say we ‘filled’ a need. The thing is our biggest true need is probably at SG, but nobody wants to admit that. If Stuckey become a competent SG then we possibly filled a need there indirectly even if Knight is only average at PG, because we still upgraded one position. If Knight become great then we upgraded two positions.
Jun 26, 2011 • 11:47 pmby Tre
@ Jake – You just said [Quote] “How can Anyone say this draft didn’t fill a Need” , yet NOT ONE comment says this draft didn’t fill a Need ?
Jun 26, 2011 • 11:52 pmby jake
i wasn’t trying to directly quote anyone one person on this page. i’ve just seen it everywhere: on the espn boards, on other websites, and even in person. i’m just goin’ off on a tangent haha. every time i see something like “joe drafted ANOTHER combo guard blah blah blah…” i lose it.
Jun 27, 2011 • 12:34 amby Tre
@ Jake – Lol , Ohh I gotcha ! Are PG depth isn’t good enough to better the team as a whole . . . And Knight definitely can be that Guy ! Besides he brings Talent to the team !!!
If I could chose any 4 players to draft in order it would be 1. Kyrie , 2. Knight , 3. Derrick 4. Jonas !! So getting Knight at 8 is definitely worth it !!
Hopefully he’ll reach his potential while remaining a Piston !
Jun 27, 2011 • 12:40 amby jake
hmm, my board went like this:
2) kanter (i just became infatuated with this guy’s skill set. imo, if he played college ball, he would’ve went #1 overall.)
i can’t thank the cavs enough for taking thompson at 4 haha. he was the one guy i hoped we didn’t end up with.
Jun 27, 2011 • 2:43 amby oats
Well, the Pistons need a point guard that improves our passing. We don’t know if Knight actually will do that. Maybe it is the fault of the goofy Calipari offense, but Knight’s stats look like those of a guy who may never be a starting caliber point guard. He might be Ben Gordon though, which is a guy we already have on roster. Bad shot selection, low assist numbers, and high turnover rates don’t make him look promising. Plus, a better player in Irving is getting compared by draft expert Chad Ford to Mo Williams. Ford thinks Knight looks like Mo Williams with worse point guard skills. Just because he was the second best point guard in this draft and we need help at point guard does not mean he fills a need for the Pistons.
Jun 27, 2011 • 1:18 amby RandomGuy313
I think the Pistons get an A for this pick. Expectations that B Knight is the next coming of D Rose or John Wall may be a little disappointed. The difficult thing for BK going forward are those expectations of being drafted eighth.
As long as he can turn into a solid starter, does not need to be an all star, that has a feel for game I will be happy with this pick.
At 8, JoeD had no player that would merit All Star potential, so he picked a player that has an exceptional upside. If JoeD reached for a big like Markieff, then I would have to significantly downgrade his grade.
Jun 27, 2011 • 3:16 amby Tre
@ Jake – As as fan , when I heard Thompson name called I was beyond thrilled !!! Out of EVERY player projected to go to us , Thompson was the one pick I absolutely couldn’t live with, Leonard as well . . . Although I believe He will turn out to be one of the best players to come out of this draft !
@Oats – I agree
@RandomGuy – I believe Knight has All Star potential ! He’s Athletic / Talented / && Can Score ! That’s features All Stars have !! We just have to see if all that can translate to the NBA , && he can develop some more
Jun 27, 2011 • 11:18 amby RandomGuy313
@Tre: Trust me I share your enthusiasm with regard to BK. I think we should step away from “All-Star potential” though as it is a subjective acknowledgement and with PGs like DRose, JWall, DeRon Williams and Rondo it is unlikely that BK would move past those entrenched players in the near future.
I need to see his rookie season before I consider him in the class of the aforementioned PGs; however as of right now he is the best option to play point with the Pistons and that is what this team desperately needs. As much as rebounding and defense was a detriment to this team, the inability for most of our players to create their own shot or get easy buckets alarmed me.
Without Tay we do not have any post options, so we are relegated to isolations and pick and roll and/or pop plays to get buckets. Before selecting BK; Bynum, Stuckey and BG were your penetrators; of those Bynum had the highest assist ratio at 26 (Hollinger stats). Contrast that with someone like Rondo or DeRon Williams they are at 44 and 32 respectively.
This is where I see BKs potential. Stuckey and Bynum have shown effectiveness in getting buckets and breaking down defenses, but it has not translated into getting easy buckets for their teammates at a rate that a PG should; my hope is that BK will be able to fill that void.
Jun 27, 2011 • 4:09 amby oats
On to my own grade. After arguing against Knight, it should come as no surprise that I gave the pick an A. First of all, that is where the talent was. Knight was the best guy I had left in that tier of players. Plus, despite my argument that he doesn’t fill a team need, the facts of what I said earlier hold true that you have to grade the draft off of what was there. It’s a weak draft so I’d rather take a gamble that a talented kid will soon fill that area of need than reach for an inferior talent in an already weak draft. There are any number of reasons for Knights sub par stats. Knight is a smart and hard working kid who seems pretty mature, and that is exactly the kind of guy you bet on making the improvements he needs to make. There have been a lot of guys that game into the league with Knight’s flaws that never became the kind of guy Pistons fans are hoping Knight becomes, but he has as good of a chance of over coming those odds as any one else. He will be a pretty good player and could be really good. That is exactly the outlook I was looking for with the 8th pick in a draft whose top part projects as poorly as this one did.
By the way, while I think he doesn’t fill an area of need and might never do so, he does improve the team. First of all, it gives the team a point guard that can shoot, which is very nice to have. I don’t think it is mandatory, as Jason Kidd with the Nets or Rajon Rondo now have proven, but it is a good thing to have. Plus, we now will have a guy who can run the pick and roll. Monroe could be awesome as the pick setter if he can implement the mid range game he showed in college. Daye could also be a force to reckon with as the screen man in the pick and roll. I’ll throw in Jerebko and Wilcox as other guys who could be good in that role. While I don’t think the pick and role is enough to make Knight fill the need of a point guard who significantly improves our passing, it could get close.
I think Knight is currently far from the answer at point guard we need, and might never be that guy. Still, he is a good player that could make it there. The A+ decision would be if Dumars could make a trade that allowed us to get someone from the Markieff Morris, Kawhi Leonard, Chris Singleton, and Kenneth Faried group while still getting Darius Morris and something else (pick, future pick, young player, or cap relief). That scenario may be imaginary for all I know, but it currently looks possible. I’d have taken a stab at it, but I’m obviously not Dumars. As it is, Knight’s flaws prevent taking the best player available who happens to play a position in need of an upgrade from being the ideal scenario with how this draft played out, and it keeps the pick from getting an A+. Knight was still the best talent available, he does play a position in need of an upgrade, and he might be able to be that upgrade. That gets an A.
Jun 27, 2011 • 9:01 pmby j
well now that david west opt out, pistons should try do a sign and trade for him. it would be west for gordon, and daye, and maybe a future 1st or something like that. i would add cv too, but i just don’t think the hornets got any other expensive guy they could add it. hornets could be pretty good with okafor, landry (i think its him), ariza, gordon, and paul.
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