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Could a Chris Kaman-Andre Iguodala trade interfere with Detroit Pistons’ sign-and-trade plans for Tayshaun Prince?

The Clippers and 76ers are discussing a trade that would send Chris Kaman (and more) to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala, according to Marc Stein of ESPN. Could that be bad news for the Pistons?

When Joe Dumars kept Tayshaun Prince at the trade deadline rather than trading him to the Mavericks for a first-round pick and Caron Butler’s expiring contract, word spread that Dumars believed he could get more in a sign-and-trade of Prince this summer.

I always guessed that sign-and-trade would be for Kaman. Prince, a Compton native, has previously been linked to the Clippers, who need a small forward. And Kaman, for all his shortcomings, will have an expiring contract and provides a much-needed low-post scoring threat.

Plus, for a team to acquire Prince in a sign-and-trade, it must not have the cap room to sign him, have a player with a similar salary the Pistons would want and appeal to Prince. I can’t find another match besides Kaman and the Clippers. If that falls off the table with a Kaman-for-Iguodala trade, Dumars might regret passing on the Mavericks’ trade offer.

P.S. Before you start proposing Iguodala-to-Detroit trades in the comments, please understand that if you realize Iguodala is a valuable player, the 76ers know it, too. Basically, any reasonable trade the Pistons could propose for Iguodala should include Greg Monroe. If you’re not willing to include him, move on.

23 Comments

  • Jun 9, 201110:15 am
    by Waulie

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    I agree that Prince for Kaman appears to be the most realistic option for a sign and trade.  One potential problem is, under the current rules, Prince would need to sign for about $10 million for the first year in order to make salaries come close enough to matching.  That seams a little steep.

    I’m not at all interested in Kaman.  My ideal scenario would be to sign and trade Prince for Kaman then immediately send Kaman and Daye to Atlanta for Josh Smith.  Since Prince is leaving anyway, we’d essentially get Josh Smith for Austin Daye.  With Jerebko at SF, Smith at PF, and Monroe at C, we’d have a pretty stout defensive front line.  And, Jerebko and Smith would provide a ton of versatility for matching up against various different looking opponent lineups.

    • Jun 9, 201112:56 pm
      by tarsier

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      How stupid would Atlanta have to be to do that? You know how at the end of the article it says that Philly recognizes that Iggy has value? Well Smith has at least as much value. No way in hell do they give him up for Kaman and Daye.

    • Jun 10, 20114:14 pm
      by Sebastian

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      I would have to disagree with Tarsier and agree with Waulie. The trade scenario suggested by Waulie makes a lot of since for both, us (the Pistons) and the Hawks.
      The Hawks may very well be interested in acquiring Kaman, as he would help to balance out their roster and Daye may prove to be serviceable for their needs.
      And, we would be getting a bonifide small forward (I actually think that Josh Smith is really a small forward) and Jerebko is a power forward.
      Let’s do this deal.

      • Jun 12, 20118:10 am
        by tarsier

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        You really think Kaman has anywhere close to the value of Smith?

  • Jun 9, 201110:27 am
    by Crow

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    I agree that Kaman makes the most sense for all the reasons that you have previously listed. However, I belive that Al Jefferson is another name which would also fit with under these circumstances.
    Big Al’s contract may run a little longer, but there are a number of reason why it still may work. He fell out of favor with the Jazz last season, they already have Derrick Favors, Paul Milsap, and Okur (possibly Enes Kanter as well), and they are also searching for a small forward to replace AK-47.
    My only concern is the fact that Jefferson is only 26. Obviously that would be great for us, but I feel that Utah, who is rebuilding, may not be motivated to ship him out just yet.

  • Jun 9, 201111:13 am
    by steveo

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    I wanna know what the deal and situation is with rip if we buy him out how does that affect the salary cap does it help or does that still affect the books the next two years and if we could still trade him with are pick i see no value at 8 if kemba is there i think i might have to go that route or kawhi leonard would be worhty as well i dont want to take an international big that will amount to a roll player at 8 i would trade the pick in anyway possible but just want some info on rip

    • Jun 9, 201112:59 pm
      by tarsier

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      Buyouts count against the cap. But they are usually less than the player is otherwise owed. So it is a little less money from the team and a little less against the cap. But there is no reason for Rip to take a buyout that slashes more from his salary than he can recoup in whatever contract someone else inks him to.

  • Jun 9, 201111:40 am
    by neutes

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    Funny thing on your disclaimer – if the Sixers actually realized how valuable Igoudala was they wouldn’t be willing to trade him for Ellis or Kaman. Just sayin.
     
    As for a Prince sign and trade – I’ve never seen the appeal. Kaman was probably the best option out of the pipe dream sign and trade scenarios. Not that there were that many. Who’s really going to give up a decent asset to sign a 32 yr old average SF? He’s a MLE waiting to happen. Some other options out there for teams include Caron Butler, Mike Dunleavy, Shane Battier, and Andre Kirilenko. I’m sure the difference is pretty much negligible between all of them. If you don’t get one go for another.

    • Jun 9, 20111:12 pm
      by tarsier

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      No way Philly trades him just for Kaman. I don’t know what else the Clippers are thinking of including. But for that to work, it would probably have to be at least Jordan and a pick. But Ellis, that’s another story. You might think he is overrated. But that doesn’t change the fact that he is a very valuable player right now. He is one of the toughest, best scorers in the league. He’s young. He’s very affordable (cheaper than Ben Gordon).Yeah, he’s bad on defense, but that doesn’t change the fact that probably more GMs would pick Ellis over Iggy than vice versa.
      And you’re wrong about Prince. He is a huge step up from Dunleavy (but then, so are the others you mentioned). He probably has a lot more left in the tank than Battier. He’s less risky than Butler (not just coming off a major injury), and he is just better than Kirilienko, although that is the closest one. Prince has been solid his whole career, just had one of his better years, and doesn’t look to be losing much to age yet.
      I still think it is likely he signs for an MLE because of a lack of options and because if you get that for 5 years, it actually comes out to pretty good money. And you’re right that noone will give up much of an asset for him. A pick in the 20s, sure. But nothing more. And Dumars really blew it at the deadline. I wish he had leveraged the Butler injury to try to get multiple picks or at least one next year in what most expect will be a better draft. Oh well.

  • Jun 9, 201111:51 am
    by Jason

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    “Could that be bad news for the Pistons” Yes.. But even worse news for Philly fans.. It would be a devastating loss for the 76er nation, i don’t care who you attempt to package in the trade.. Iggy IS their team, and while I understand trying to get better – trading your best player usually doesn’t pan out well for many teams. (*See Chauncey Billups trade)

    Back to the main question though, I was really hoping Kaman would end up as a Piston this off season. Sure hope this trade doesn’t happen, I think if Kaman can get healthy, he can definitely help this team.. (If nothing else, maybe teach Monroe a couple low post moves..)

  • Jun 9, 20111:22 pm
    by Alan

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    Prince to Dallas for Brendan Haywood.  At 12:01 of Free Agency last season, Joe Dumars first call was to Haywood, so you know Detroit has interest.  Dallas re-signed Haywood to be the starter but then acquired Chandler.  Chandler is playing incredible basketball and will receive a lucrative contract.  This deal works for both teams.

    • Jun 9, 20114:53 pm
      by tarsier

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      No, Haywood isn’t worth his pricetag.

      • Jun 9, 20117:16 pm
        by Alan

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        Haywood’s a little pricey, sure.  But he’d start for Detroit and pairs well with Monroe.  What would you rather have, Caron Butler and Dallas’ 1st round pick?

        • Jun 10, 201111:55 am
          by tarsier

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          I would have rather that trade happened, yes. But not so we could keep Butler. But who I would really rather have is Oden. If we could get rid of another contract somehow, I’d be happy to let Prince just walk for a shot at signing Greg Oden.

          • Jun 11, 20116:16 pm
            by Alan

            What do you think will become of the 29th pick in the 1st round?  Nobody knows for sure but the odds are that the pick will be a guy that won’t be able to stay in the league, yet, will have a guaranteed contract and stuck on the payroll for a few years.  Haywood, on the other hand, would be our starting center. And Oden?!?!

  • Jun 9, 20111:26 pm
    by vic

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    i would love to get al Jefferson on our team… Utah does have a glut of good bigs + the opportunity to get kanter.
    if we cant get kanter, i’d love to get Jefferson since hes only 26. If we draft Biyombo as a defensive big,  trade for Jefferson as an offensive big, and keep Monroe as a skilled facilitating big… that could be a nice shortcut to a strong frontline.

  • Jun 9, 20111:33 pm
    by Tiko

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    Philly would get raped in an Iguodala for Kaman deal.  Iguodala is wayy more valuable than Kaman.  Tayshaun and Kaman have equivalent value imo but I can careless for him.  and I dont want to have anything to do with Al Jefferson.  he would be a terrible complement to Monroe

  • Jun 9, 20114:23 pm
    by solo

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    WHY WOULDNT YOU TRADE TAY FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK AND C BUTLERS EXPIRING CONTRACT THAT WAS DUMB

  • Jun 9, 20114:23 pm
    by solo

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    WHY WOULDNT YOU TRADE TAY FOR A FIRST ROUND PICK AND C BUTLERS EXPIRING CONTRACT THAT WAS DUMB NOT TO DO

    • Jun 9, 20114:54 pm
      by tarsier

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      Agreed. That was one of the more painful misses of the season because it was something that you figure could have actually gotten done.

  • Jun 12, 20113:11 pm
    by mubin

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    THIS IS A GREATE DEAL, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE COULD TRADE RIP AND OUR 8TH PICK FOR THE 4TH FROM CLEVELAND

  • Jun 15, 201111:35 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Why not trade our #8 draft pick to Philly and send Rip, Maxiell, and Bynum off in a three team trade. We could find another team willing give off talent to Philly for Rip, Maxiell, or Bynum. This trade would free up cap space and allow us to compete for Marc Gasol or Jeff Green in free agency. Why would you want injury pron Kaman or overrated Al Jefferson??!

    • Jun 15, 201111:38 pm
      by Jodi Jezz

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      In this trade we would received Iggy from Philly of course!!

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