Comments on: Bill Laimbeer is head coach material, but is he the right man for the Pistons job? http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:49:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Rodman4Life http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-32507 Rodman4Life Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:33:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-32507 That's not fair to blast me for making the "culture" comment.  I can't give you specific example by example arguments.  But his Shock teams were tough, competitive, and defensive-oriented teams.  I even feel that he had solid out-of-timeout plays that normally led to good scoring opportunities.  His offensive and defensive schemes were simple at best, but aren't the really good teams always rather "known" in what they do, they simply do it so well.   As an assistant, he doesn't get much credit because he isn't calling the shots.  And I'm actually NOT going to give him full credit for Kevin Love's improvement.  The culture argument usually is a cop-out, but I feel that you, of all people, would agree that certain strong personalities like Laimbeer's don't need explaining.  That personality could be a monumental failure as a Piston head coach, but if he is successful, I think he could also be our coach for as long as he wanted to stay.  My attraction to him as a coach says more about how I feel about the Pistons and what THEY need than about which candidate stacks up well against another candidate.  I simply do not feel that defensive effort or energy, or even maintaining a defensive learning curve would be in question with him as our coach.   I think back to the '01 Pistons with Stackhouse and Wallace and Chucky Atkins.  They were not a good team, but they busted their butts, and I enjoyed watching all 82 games.  That effort and competitiveness is what I want out of this year's squad, and I think Laimbeer is the candidate that would bring us closest to that goal.  Opinion over . . . That’s not fair to blast me for making the “culture” comment.  I can’t give you specific example by example arguments.  But his Shock teams were tough, competitive, and defensive-oriented teams.  I even feel that he had solid out-of-timeout plays that normally led to good scoring opportunities.  His offensive and defensive schemes were simple at best, but aren’t the really good teams always rather “known” in what they do, they simply do it so well.  
As an assistant, he doesn’t get much credit because he isn’t calling the shots.  And I’m actually NOT going to give him full credit for Kevin Love’s improvement.  The culture argument usually is a cop-out, but I feel that you, of all people, would agree that certain strong personalities like Laimbeer’s don’t need explaining.  That personality could be a monumental failure as a Piston head coach, but if he is successful, I think he could also be our coach for as long as he wanted to stay.  My attraction to him as a coach says more about how I feel about the Pistons and what THEY need than about which candidate stacks up well against another candidate.  I simply do not feel that defensive effort or energy, or even maintaining a defensive learning curve would be in question with him as our coach.  
I think back to the ’01 Pistons with Stackhouse and Wallace and Chucky Atkins.  They were not a good team, but they busted their butts, and I enjoyed watching all 82 games.  That effort and competitiveness is what I want out of this year’s squad, and I think Laimbeer is the candidate that would bring us closest to that goal.  Opinion over . . .

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31618 Patrick Hayes Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:26:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31618 <p>See, the 'culture' argument is weak. What coach is going to walk in and say to Joe Dumars, "I'd like to play a really soft style of basketball and not hold players accountable."</p> <p>Every coach is a disciplinarian. Every coach wants structure, accountability, defense, toughness, etc. Not every coach is a good enough leader to pull it off, but to be honest, I think it's really weak for Laimbeer proponents to say "he brings the right culture." I want to know what he brings beyond that. I want to know why he, and not the other candidates, will be successful in implementing it.</p> <p>For example, I like Kemba Walker. I know Kemba Walker is incredibly flawed as a prospect. Mike, yourself and others who like Laimbeer because of the "culture" argument, you're smart people. If I wrote a post saying I just want Kemba because he's so tough and leadery and count tha RINGZ!, you guys would rightfully blast me for that. But that's essentially the same argument people are using for Laimbeer. He's tough, and he won as a player and in the WNBA. Great. Doesn't mean other candidates aren't tough and don't want the same culture he does.</p> See, the ‘culture’ argument is weak. What coach is going to walk in and say to Joe Dumars, “I’d like to play a really soft style of basketball and not hold players accountable.”

Every coach is a disciplinarian. Every coach wants structure, accountability, defense, toughness, etc. Not every coach is a good enough leader to pull it off, but to be honest, I think it’s really weak for Laimbeer proponents to say “he brings the right culture.” I want to know what he brings beyond that. I want to know why he, and not the other candidates, will be successful in implementing it.

For example, I like Kemba Walker. I know Kemba Walker is incredibly flawed as a prospect. Mike, yourself and others who like Laimbeer because of the “culture” argument, you’re smart people. If I wrote a post saying I just want Kemba because he’s so tough and leadery and count tha RINGZ!, you guys would rightfully blast me for that. But that’s essentially the same argument people are using for Laimbeer. He’s tough, and he won as a player and in the WNBA. Great. Doesn’t mean other candidates aren’t tough and don’t want the same culture he does.

]]> By: Rodman4Life http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31616 Rodman4Life Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:14:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31616 Laimbeer brings the right culture.  It's easier to root for a crappy team if they play hard and have a commitment to do their best.  That's a given under Laimbeer.  You disqualify him, Patrick, as if you're protecting him.  So what if he comes under undue pressure because it's Detroit.  Then he gets bounced after a year or two.  But if he gives us what we need, then he should be the choice. He would have communicated with Hamilton.  Hamilton partly acted the way he did because he was the captain and still got insufficient feedback from Kuester.  Laimbeer would tell Hamilton the expectations and then it's up to him to respond.  And remember, Laimbeer was part of a Bad Boys team that had a swift fall from grace, so it's not as if he wouldn't be sympathetic. I don't mind you liking someone else more than Laimbeer as a candidate, just stop with the psuedo-protecting him for his own good nonsense.  Interestingly, I really like Adelman as a coach, but I've always felt he would never be a good fit for Detroit. Laimbeer brings the right culture.  It’s easier to root for a crappy team if they play hard and have a commitment to do their best.  That’s a given under Laimbeer.  You disqualify him, Patrick, as if you’re protecting him.  So what if he comes under undue pressure because it’s Detroit.  Then he gets bounced after a year or two.  But if he gives us what we need, then he should be the choice.
He would have communicated with Hamilton.  Hamilton partly acted the way he did because he was the captain and still got insufficient feedback from Kuester.  Laimbeer would tell Hamilton the expectations and then it’s up to him to respond.  And remember, Laimbeer was part of a Bad Boys team that had a swift fall from grace, so it’s not as if he wouldn’t be sympathetic.
I don’t mind you liking someone else more than Laimbeer as a candidate, just stop with the psuedo-protecting him for his own good nonsense.  Interestingly, I really like Adelman as a coach, but I’ve always felt he would never be a good fit for Detroit.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31462 Patrick Hayes Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:05:56 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31462 <p>Mike's case for Laimbeer is sound. I don't have much argument with him on his main points. My only issue is I think there are a few little things that are at least fair to talk about when it comes to Laimbeer. And as I've said about a million times in these threads, saying he won in the WNBA is fine. But at least understand that he didn't win with a bad roster. He won with an insanely talented roster. That's a much different situation than he'd be walking into with the Pistons.</p> Mike’s case for Laimbeer is sound. I don’t have much argument with him on his main points. My only issue is I think there are a few little things that are at least fair to talk about when it comes to Laimbeer. And as I’ve said about a million times in these threads, saying he won in the WNBA is fine. But at least understand that he didn’t win with a bad roster. He won with an insanely talented roster. That’s a much different situation than he’d be walking into with the Pistons.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31461 Patrick Hayes Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:02:34 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31461 <p>"Nobody wants to win like Laimbeer does"</p> <p>Yeah, you're right. Most coaches only kind of like to win if they have nothing else to do. Frank and Woodson totally just want to go .500 and get the eight seed every year. Laimbeer is the only one who wants championships baby!</p> <p>"Frank has no leadership skills."</p> <p>What's your data to show that he has no leadership skills? I can respect a sound case for or against him. But provide data. Is there evidence from NJ that his players didn't like playing for him? He got along with Kidd (Kidd feuded with the Nets management, not Frank) and Carter, two superstar personalities. Also, Devin Harris had his best season as a pro playing for Frank.</p> <p>If you have a legit link to a story saying that the players in NJ didn't respect Frank, I'll certainly consider that. But if your argument is Frank is little and looks like a nerd and didn't PLAY THE GAME!, well I don't find much compelling about that argument.</p> <p>As I said in the post, there's a legit case to be made for Laimbeer as coach. But honestly, I could make legit cases that Frank or Woodson would be solid fits as well.</p> “Nobody wants to win like Laimbeer does”

Yeah, you’re right. Most coaches only kind of like to win if they have nothing else to do. Frank and Woodson totally just want to go .500 and get the eight seed every year. Laimbeer is the only one who wants championships baby!

“Frank has no leadership skills.”

What’s your data to show that he has no leadership skills? I can respect a sound case for or against him. But provide data. Is there evidence from NJ that his players didn’t like playing for him? He got along with Kidd (Kidd feuded with the Nets management, not Frank) and Carter, two superstar personalities. Also, Devin Harris had his best season as a pro playing for Frank.

If you have a legit link to a story saying that the players in NJ didn’t respect Frank, I’ll certainly consider that. But if your argument is Frank is little and looks like a nerd and didn’t PLAY THE GAME!, well I don’t find much compelling about that argument.

As I said in the post, there’s a legit case to be made for Laimbeer as coach. But honestly, I could make legit cases that Frank or Woodson would be solid fits as well.

]]> By: I can't take it anymore http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31455 I can't take it anymore Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:46:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31455 Laimbeer is the man for the job.  Zero doubt about it here.     Laimbeer is the man for the job.  Zero doubt about it here.
 
 

]]> By: I can't take it anymore http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31454 I can't take it anymore Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:44:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31454 Frank has no leadership skills.   Laimbeer all the way.  Nobody wants to win like Laimbeer does and it will be infectious. Frank has no leadership skills.
 
Laimbeer all the way.  Nobody wants to win like Laimbeer does and it will be infectious.

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31433 tarsier Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:24:24 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31433 Why do the Pistons need to keep TMac? I was all for signing him last year and would be all for resigning him this year for the same reason: at the deadline, he should have value. But I think Dumars blew it by not trading either McGrady or Prince for future assets last year. And if the Pistons resign Tracy just to have him play for them for another year or two, I don't see how that helps. They are loaded with guards who need more minutes, they aren't contending now anyway, and TMac is decent but hardly worth getting excited about. Why do the Pistons need to keep TMac? I was all for signing him last year and would be all for resigning him this year for the same reason: at the deadline, he should have value. But I think Dumars blew it by not trading either McGrady or Prince for future assets last year. And if the Pistons resign Tracy just to have him play for them for another year or two, I don’t see how that helps. They are loaded with guards who need more minutes, they aren’t contending now anyway, and TMac is decent but hardly worth getting excited about.

]]> By: K.Laimbeer http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31422 K.Laimbeer Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:48:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31422 Always a pleasure Patrick! How far we've come over the months! lol Always a pleasure Patrick!
How far we’ve come over the months! lol

]]> By: Loren Jones http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-is-head-coach-material-but-is-he-the-right-man-for-the-pistons-job/comment-page-1/#comment-31421 Loren Jones Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:45:44 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=6618#comment-31421 Look we can't afford to not get Bill Laimbeer, I dont blog and do anything of that nature until today.  We need to get Kemba Walker if he is there if not trade back and get Darius Morris, trade Stuckey and get rid of Rip Hamilton.  We need to kepp Tracy Mcgraady somehow and get rid of Tayshaun Prince.  Things like this would put the Pistons in a better situation going into next year.  Look we can’t afford to not get Bill Laimbeer, I dont blog and do anything of that nature until today.  We need to get Kemba Walker if he is there if not trade back and get Darius Morris, trade Stuckey and get rid of Rip Hamilton.  We need to kepp Tracy Mcgraady somehow and get rid of Tayshaun Prince.  Things like this would put the Pistons in a better situation going into next year. 

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