Comments on: Would the Bulls trade Carlos Boozer for Rip Hamilton or Ben Gordon?

By: Scott

Scott — Sat, 04 Jun 2011 13:24:09 +0000

Sorry folks, but I’m not doing this trade. Not because Boozer dissappointed in the playoffs. Not because of his big contract. Nope. I’ts because of the fact that despite how great his alma mater is, DUKE PLAYERS JUST DON’T WIN NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS!! Only two have won it all(and both were little used bench players at the time). I know this sounds ignorant, but it’s the truth.

By: Andy Fung

Andy Fung — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 22:09:49 +0000

I didn’t take the time to read all of the comments, but I’m sure this sentiment has already been expressed–sorry if it’s redundant, but I wouldn’t trade a ballrack and a couple of towels for Boozer! There was a time when I did covet his services, but that was when he was in Utah and all I could see were the stat-sheets. Living in Chicago, I had the (mis)fortune of seeing him play most nights– the nights he was healthy enough to play–and the guy is kind of a joke. Obviously, he’s injury-prone, but to break your hand tripping over a gymbag? A professional athlete? This tells us more than just “he’s injury-prone”, but also that he is an idiot or at least a klutz. It’s very telling that the Bulls played infinitely better when he was hurt, and I think secretly a lot of fans didn’t want him to return this season. He killed their chemistry, energy, and frankly played like fecal matter. He killed their offense, as his whole repertoire is taking two or three dribbles in the post and turning into a fadeaway. That and catching the ball off a good look by DRose and dunking like how I imagine Bill Russel dunks today. He has to operate from the block while everyone else stands around, which would be fine if he could hit a shot, but he can’t–not consistently, anyway. His problems on offense could be forgiven if he could defend his shadow or grab a meaningful board or two, but he can’t do that either. Hayes really hits all of the good reasons to be wary of his acquisition: Money/contract, age, injury history. Rip’s deal is getting to the point where it is becoming less of a problem and more of a valuable trading piece. Please, Joe, don’t waste it on Boozer! Now, if we could somehow finagle Taj Gibson (yes, I know the money doesn’t work), that would be a different story all together…

By: Dan Feldman

Dan Feldman — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:20:26 +0000

I also think there are too many bad feelings between the Bulls and Ben Gordon to make that trade work. The Bulls were obviously interested in Hamilton if he was bought out in February, so I’m more focused on the Hamilton version of the deal than the Gordon/Jason Maxiell version.

By: Dan Feldman

Dan Feldman — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:18:59 +0000

I actually thought about this trade before Langlois mentioned it. Who says no?

Basically, as scary as this sounds, I basically agree with Laser.

Boozer helps in the short term. If the Pistons get better, even just a little, everyone's trade value improves.

His contract certainly creates a risk. But here's risk in keeping Hamilton and watching Ben Gordon's value continue to plummet.

Facing risk either way, I'd rather have a big than a guard.

By: Kim Jong Skillz

Kim Jong Skillz — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 07:31:11 +0000

its preposterous to even say that ANYONE would have taken monroe with the 7th pick last year. this is how retarded that statement is. HE WAS VOTED 6TH IN THE ROOKIE VOTING. so obviously theres people out there who didnt think so highly of him at the end of the season, why would they have thought better of him before the season? so to not credit the GM AKA JOE DUMARS with that draft pick is asinine. to discredit him for what he did for our squad for the whole beginning of the 3rd millennium is just amateur.
as for rip for boozer, it isnt exactly the worst scenario out there. according to reports earlier this year, after the deal with gores had just been announced joe d actually tried that when he signed rips extension but karen nixed that deal. we wouldnt be thin up front, but we would be defensively challenged a bit. i personally wouldnt mind it, but dont think chicago would be a willing trade partner.
rip & 8th pick for salary room is a no sale to fans, period. but if it happened & we were able to bring in a good FA, it might not be a bad idea. what if we did that & ended up bringing in deandre jordan in as the starting 5 for a good price as jordan didnt exactly have a stellar season last year & at the end of the year shared starting duties with kaman.

By: gmehl1977

gmehl1977 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 04:19:11 +0000

You would only consider this IF it was Rip/Maxiell or Gordon/Maxiell for Boozer.

By: rob

rob — Tue, 31 May 2011 22:01:13 +0000

Hey, someone on realgm.com forum said he heard on sports radio this morning that Rudy Tomjanovich was seen at the Pistons front office today.

Just wanted to know if anyone else heard this to verify?

Fans are already speculating that he could be joining the Pistons in some capacity, be it coach, front office, etc.

By: Laser

Laser — Tue, 31 May 2011 21:53:50 +0000

personally i don’t think kanter and monroe are an ideal pairing. two big, lumbering guys. i dunno. will they score enough? spread the floor at all? i’d rather see monroe paired with someone a little quicker and more athletic, maybe with a reliable jumper. i’d trade a little size for a lot of athleticism in this case.

By: Laser

Laser — Tue, 31 May 2011 21:51:07 +0000

well, we don’t disagree on that, because i want both rip and gordon gone, too. that much is certain. i think it’s sheer madness to pay a shooting guard eight figures unless he’s a sure fire all-star. the fact that we have two on multi-year deals is unconscionable and would justify dumars’s firing on its own.

a few small differences: i don’t think they’re scrubs, just not nearly worth their contracts. and their respective shortcomings create big problems on this particular roster (gordon’s size and turnovers, rip’s weakness at creating his own shots).

but i think you’re oversimplifying the situation by saying they’re just contracts and they’ll never be worth anything and crying over it (i’m only guessing you’ve cried; i’ve cried a little over it). either one of them could very well be productive if the other one was gone. not productive in line with their contracts, but more productive than 25 minutes and 10 points a game each. it’s well-documented that for every reason imaginable i’d like to see gordon gone first.

don’t worry about any buyouts, though. nobody’s buying out three years of gordon’s contract. i don’t know where some of these ideas come from. heck, the organization insists they’ve had trade offers for the guy as recently as february.

By: Laser

Laser — Tue, 31 May 2011 21:40:38 +0000

i understand that someone might to come in and start slashing payroll immediately because he just dropped a fat stack on an expensive sports team. it happens. i just don’t support it ONE IOTA, and the only thing it serves to do is save one fabulously wealthy man some money he doesn’t need. so yes, i understand why this may happen, but that doesn’t mean anybody should support it. it probably wouldn’t be a very wise basketball decision either, since gores’s first priority should be getting butts in the seat. we just spent two years under the iron fist of a selfish, uncaring owner. now that the sale is basically complete, a good business move would be to focus on putting building a competitive basketball team.

also, it’s one thing to come in and say “i don’t want to throw a bunch of money around and try to buy a championship.” it’s another thing to come into a bad situation in your hometown, buy the team, and instantly start making it a bargain basement operation. he’s not beholden to the people of this city to be our basketball savior, but a billionaire mortgaging part of the future to save a few million dollars makes no sense.

the main reason i chimed in here is that you said this makes financial sense. i’ve already demonstrated that i think $50 million is a decent return for this pick, but it doesn’t make a lick of sense to guys like you and me who just want the pistons to be good. this trade helps one man, gores, and saves him a relatively small sum of money compared to what he’s worth and what he stands to gain as the owner of a competitive pistons team.

the premise i don’t buy is that he needs time to figure out what to do. he’s had months and months to put together a preliminary game plan, and the sale was agreed to in principle in, what, april? so he’s had enough time to formulate a loose plan of attack. we’ve had waaay more than enough time to evaluate the roster, and once the man dropped half a billion dollars on an NBA team it’s probably safe to say he had some idea what he was in for.