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Would the Bulls trade Carlos Boozer for Rip Hamilton or Ben Gordon?

The Chicago Bulls need shooting guard help. The Pistons have extra shooting guards. Keith Langlois of Pistons.com posits on how the two teams would shape up as potential trading partners in his latest mailbag:

No question, the Bulls will need to target a shooting guard good enough to play starter’s minutes but particularly someone who can provide scoring – whether that’s a knock-down perimeter shooter or someone who can create off the dribble. It was widely reported that the Bulls were prepared to sign Rip Hamilton had he agreed to a buyout with Cleveland that would have allowed the reported Pistons-Cavs trade to go down at the trade deadline. It is already being speculated the Bulls will quietly but aggressively explore the trade market for Carlos Boozer this off-season. With Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson and Omer Asik, they have three players capable of manning the two inside spots. None is anywhere near the scorer Boozer has been. But Boozer is due about $60 million over the next four years – a whopping contract for a player who found himself mostly on the bench in the fourth quarters against Miami because he wasn’t offsetting subpar defense by providing consistent scoring, either in the paint or via his mid-range jumper. I think the Bulls would be naturally interested in Gordon, who enjoyed a high level of success there for five years. Their interest in Hamilton has been already evidenced. The Pistons could certainly use what Boozer at his best offers – but it would have to give them pause that an oft-injured player, about to turn 30, did not have the anticipated impact with the Bulls this season. It would be unusual, also, for teams in the same division with the history of the Pistons and Bulls to trade high-profile players.

A one-for-one Boozer-for-Hamilton trade works, but the Pistons would take on more salary both short and long term since Boozer makes more per year and is signed longer than Hamilton. A one-for-one Gordon-for-Boozer trade wouldn’t work salary-wise. But throw in Jason Maxiell? And you have the Pistons ridding two bad contracts for one bad contract, albeit to a player in Boozer who is sometimes useful and would fill a need as a sometimes capable offensive big man. The Pistons would take on more long-term salary in that deal, but it wouldn’t be as big a long-term hit as a Hamilton trade. If Chicago were willing to take both Gordon and Maxiell — a longshot to be sure, considering the Bulls could surely get better offers than that and no one knows if they are even that motivated to trade Boozer anyway — the Pistons would certainly be wise to consider. But I can’t say that I’d give a Hamilton for Boozer trade much consideration, considering Hamilton’s bad contract is only a year or so away from becoming an asset rather than an albatross. If Boozer’s production declines, a good bet considering his age and reputation for … uh … let’s just say relaxing a bit in non-contract years, his contract will become much more difficult to move down the road.

43 Comments

  • May 31, 201111:20 am
    by Reaction

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    I would give up Rip or Gordon for a 1st draft pick next year or even a 2nd round one.. Just not another big contract

    • May 31, 201111:30 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I can’t see any team absorbing either of those salaries without the Pistons taking a contract back in return.

  • May 31, 201111:27 am
    by Steve K

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    Boozer for Gordon and Maxiell makes sense. And probably helps both teams. Pistons are stuck shelling out $12M/year (Gordon’s salary) anyway. Might as well at least have that money go toward a big man.

    • May 31, 201111:32 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Right. The problem is just that Boozer was terrible in the playoffs and is already in his 30s. There’s a chance he’ll be really bad by the end of his contract. Gordon has one less year on his deal and isn’t yet 30. I’d say there’s a better chance that Gordon is performing at a level worth close to what he’s paid at the end of his deal than Boozer is at the end of his.

  • May 31, 201111:29 am
    by DSV

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    Gotta match salaries…
    As far as a Hamilton – Boozer swap, ” But I can’t say that I’d give a Hamilton for Boozer trade much consideration, considering Hamilton’s bad contract is only a year or so away from becoming an asset rather than an albatross. If Boozer’s production declines, a good bet considering his age and reputation for … uh … let’s just say relaxing a bit in non-contract years, his contract will become much more difficult to move down the road.” ‘Nuff said.
    As far as a Boozer-BG/Max…. I guess I’d rather overpay Boozer than BG if they had the same contract, but I don’t think the extra year/money is worth it after Boozer’s subpar playoff performance. At best it seems barely above a side ways move… at best.
     

    • May 31, 201111:36 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yeah. I’ve never been a Boozer fan. He’d fill a need short-term, but I think they Pistons could get close to his production from cheaper alternatives.

  • May 31, 201111:30 am
    by Jason

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    There is no way Dumars would ever do that trade.  First we don’t want his salary even if gets Rip off the books.  Second why in the hell would we put Boozer next to Monroe.  Makes no sense.  Boozer or Monroe would be sitting at the end of games just like Boozer in Chicago.

    • May 31, 201111:35 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yeah, the Rip deal wouldn’t make sense. Gordon/Maxiell would make more sense, but would still be, at best, a lateral move. Why would Boozer and Monroe be sitting at the end of games? Boozer sat in Chicago because the Bulls had better options. Noah and Gibson out-played him in the playoffs. Boozer is flawed, but he’d be no worse than the Pistons second best frontcourt player. Are you gonna bench him to let Villanueva finish games up front? Boozer isn’t good defensively, but he’s better than Villanueva for sure.

      • May 31, 201111:56 am
        by Jason

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        I agree in the sense we don’t have a better option but my point was our interior defense would be worse than the bulls.  So basically I don’t see being much better with Boozer and Monroe down low.  Maybe playoffs but no chance against Knick, Bulls, Heat, and Celtics.  Add his contract into the mix and it would be hard to get better at other position to compensate as well.

      • May 31, 201112:13 pm
        by Jason

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        Patrick,

        I am curious on your thoughts.  I was wondering if there is some truth about the trade with Hamilton.  So lets say we trade hamilton and basically lose his salary against our payroll cause we take on no additional salaries right.  Well first giving up the draft pick would be hard to do and may not make sense but maybe we get another pick in return somehow.  Second why would we do this if there may be some kind of amnesty clause coming.  Well we do  it cause then we use the amnesty clause on Maxiel.  This gets rid off a huge chunk of our payroll.

        The more I think about it the more it makes sense.  What do you think?

        • May 31, 20111:25 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          I don’t think it’s as crazy a trade as some have portrayed it as. I mean, you certainly don’t want to give up an asset like a lottery pick for nothing. But financially, there are benefits.

          The obvious one is getting out of the remaining years/dollars to Rip. Secondly, the fact that this draft doesn’t have a ton of talent has been well-documented. At eight, the Pistons have no guarantee of getting a player who can help. They either roll the dice on an upside guy who might not pan out or they reach for a serviceable role player who will contribute but not be a big enough upgrade to help the team improve significantly. So by getting rid of that pick and not taking a first rounder back in return, they save Rip’s salary along with the $3ish million per year (don’t know the exact figure off hand slotted for the eighth spot salary-wise) to the lottery pick. Then, as you mention, there is the potential amnesty clause and, if it happens, Detroit could choose Gordon/Maxiell/Villanueva to dump.

          Like I said, that trade would be a hard sell to fans, many of whom think that a lottery pick = a guaranteed good player and many of whom still want Hamilton around (something that I can’t see happening considering he’s credited with masterminding a mutiny that made the team look really dumb and got national attention this season). It just depends on what Gores’ ambitions are. Maybe he wants to shed some salary initially while he learns the league and decides the kind of team he wants. Maybe he thinks this roster is good and just needs some tweaks/a new coach. Maybe he’s the world’s biggest Rip Hamilton fan. Hopefully, the direction the team is headed will be a lot more clear in a week or so. But to answer your main question, I don’t hate the idea of essentially dangling a so-so lottery pick to shed Rip’s salary for nothing.

          Dan Feldman will be posting something more in-depth on this later.

          • May 31, 20111:56 pm
            by neutes

            Well let me start by saying the potential amnesty thing is a horrible idea. But if it happens will it apply to every team? Or just team’s over the cap? And who’s to say Gores would be willing to shell out $36 million to buyout Gordon to begin with?
             
            As for Boozer. We give up Rip for Boozer. Go from a 30 win team to a 40 win team, but then what? We’re stuck in no mans land. If we give up Gordon/Max for Boozer at least there will be Rip’s expiring to use to make a change. We’re still stuck in no mans land with bad draft picks and no star, but we’re not as stuck as we would be trading Rip.

          • May 31, 20111:56 pm
            by Laser

            i’m definitely glad feldman is going to comver this later, but here’s my take: the trade of rip + #8 for jack squat would be objectively terrible. getting a few dollars off the books does little-or-nothing for this team. we’d need to clear a LOT of cap space to afford a significant free agent signing, and that’s assuming that one such desirable free agent (A) is available and (B) would come here. we’re more likely to be able to fix this team through trades and stockpiling draft picks. and if gores is willing to spend to field a winner, it might not be smart to get back under the cap, since it would probably be impossible to shed much payroll, and you can only add salary in small increments through cap exceptions.
             
            the trade only makes sense as a pure financial decision to save money. you’re just selling a mid-lottery pick for $50 million. if you’re broke in a crap market and want to cut salary, it’s a decent return for a pick that’s far from a sure thing. but as a basketball decision, it’s a complete joke.
             
            for one, even the worst two-year contract in the world is only terrible for one season, then it’s expiring and could even have significant value. so you’re paying to get rid of it when it’s a liability, but in only a year it’s an asset (and we’ve just endured three full years of misery).
             
            for another, this is a good market. if you put together a good, tough detroit pistons team, you’ll make money no matter what your payroll is. we’ll support a good team, period. this ain’t atlanta. so there’s no advantage whatsoever in salary dumps. just commit to winning, make smart personnel decisions, and the fans will be there.

          • May 31, 20111:59 pm
            by Jason

            Thanks for the great response.

            I will always like Rip but it looks best to trade him over Gordon. Must not forget the competitor he is though. You don’t win a NCAA championship and NBA championship by being lucky.

            I have no doubt Dumars will be able to assess the strength of the draft  If he thinks the 8th pick is not as valuable this year then trade it. If we can’t get anyone valuable for Rip then trade him for the trade exception.

            Hopefully tomorrow we see something happen if the Gores deal is finalyzed.

          • May 31, 20112:17 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            @Laser:

            Haha. It’s been a while since you broke out ‘objectively.’ That’s your go-to move, good to see it back.

            My point isn’t that it would be a good trade from a basketball perspective. It obviously wouldn’t. But Gores just spent a lot of money on this team. Sometimes, people who do that want to cut salary immediately, not to get under the cap, just to save some money while they figure out what they’re doing. If that’s the directive, shedding Rip and a lottery pick in a weak draft saves the Pistons a significant chunk of money. I’m not suggesting they’d want to save that money so they can go spend it elsewhere. Gores just may decide he doesn’t want to spend it period. It wouldn’t improve the team, I’m not making that case.

          • May 31, 20115:40 pm
            by Laser

            i understand that someone might to come in and start slashing payroll immediately because he just dropped a fat stack on an expensive sports team. it happens. i just don’t support it ONE IOTA, and the only thing it serves to do is save one fabulously wealthy man some money he doesn’t need. so yes, i understand why this may happen, but that doesn’t mean anybody should support it. it probably wouldn’t be a very wise basketball decision either, since gores’s first priority should be getting butts in the seat. we just spent two years under the iron fist of a selfish, uncaring owner. now that the sale is basically complete, a good business move would be to focus on putting building a competitive basketball team.
             
            also, it’s one thing to come in and say “i don’t want to throw a bunch of money around and try to buy a championship.” it’s another thing to come into a bad situation in your hometown, buy the team, and instantly start making it a bargain basement operation. he’s not beholden to the people of this city to be our basketball savior, but a billionaire mortgaging part of the future to save a few million dollars makes no sense.
             
            the main reason i chimed in here is that you said this makes financial sense. i’ve already demonstrated that i think $50 million is a decent return for this pick, but it doesn’t make a lick of sense to guys like you and me who just want the pistons to be good. this trade helps one man, gores, and saves him a relatively small sum of money compared to what he’s worth and what he stands to gain as the owner of a competitive pistons team.
             
            the premise i don’t buy is that he needs time to figure out what to do. he’s had months and months to put together a preliminary game plan, and the sale was agreed to in principle in, what, april? so he’s had enough time to formulate a loose plan of attack. we’ve had waaay more than enough time to evaluate the roster, and once the man dropped half a billion dollars on an NBA team it’s probably safe to say he had some idea what he was in for.

  • May 31, 201111:58 am
    by Tiko

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    Boozer and his contract suck.  No thanks.  I would rather have Charlie V for the next 3 years at $24 mil (even though I cant stand the fact that he’s a Piston) than Boozer for the next 4 years a 60 mil

  • May 31, 201111:58 am
    by Tiko

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    Boozer and his contract suck.  No thanks.  I would rather have Charlie V for the next 3 years at $24 mil (even though I cant stand the fact that he’s a Piston) than Boozer for the next 4 years at 60 mil

  • May 31, 201112:07 pm
    by Alan

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    Boozer in Detroit is a poor pairing for the front-court with Monroe.  I think it would only make sense in Detroit if we could unload bad mulitple contracts to Chicago (Hamilton, Maxiel, Villanueva, etc.). 

    I just don’t think Detroit and Chicago will make good trading partners in this instance.

  • May 31, 201112:16 pm
    by vic

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    I’d do Gordon and Maxiell for Boozer…

    A lot of athletes do poorly because of lingering injuries, but they can’t use it as an excuse, so they don’t say much about it. I heard Boozer had foot problems…. I don’t really think he forgot how to play basketball. A summer of rest can do a lot for a 29 year old.

    The Bulls would be dumb to trade him, but if they called me i’d do it in a heartbeat.
    We need a scoring big, then we could draft Biyombo, we’d have a scoring big (Boozer), a blocking & dunking big (Biyombo), and a skillful facilitating big (Monroe). That beats what we have now, (Monroe doing it all by himself).

    That gives us the quality front line we’ve been missing for years now.
    And all we had to do was get rid of a couple of bad contracts… Sign me up quick before they change their mind!

  • May 31, 201112:31 pm
    by Laser

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    it’s worth discussing. this is surely a better option than rip plus a pick for nothing. i feel like rip for boozer works for both teams, even if it’s a sort of rough “win-win.”
     
    boozer’s a major disappointment in chicago, we saw that much. and he’ll probably continue to be a disappointment. at least in detroit he wouldn’t be overshadowed by our other bigs, and if dumars is so sure a post scorer would make stuckey exponentially better (one of many bogus excuses for his disappointing career), this would surely be tempting for joe. it would be a pretty significant roster makeover, and that couldn’t possibly be a bad thing.
     
    one problem is that this team can’t be too picky in these spots. langlois loves to explain why certain players aren’t good enough for us, while maintaining what smart signings gordon and villa and rip and max were. but i’d pull the trigger on this one. i don’t think cap space is the answer here, since you’ve got to clear so much to get anything done, and we won’t lure worthwhile free agents as long as there are 29 other teams in the league.
     
    wouldn’t be so bad to bite the bullet on this one. we’d just have to adjust our expectations of who boozer is. 20 and 10 would be nice and is possible, but just the threat of some consistent post scoring needs to be enough. we’d pretty certainly need to do something with charlie, unless we play him at the three, but a bonus consequence of this trade is that it would give us more leverage in other trades since it instantly balances the roster tenfold.
     
    we just can’t be little keith langloises about this. (“he’s not good enough.” “we’d owe him too much money.” etc.) beggars can’t be choosers, and almost any trade is a good one right about now. the team is horrendous. we’re not going to be able to make very many favorable trades, and that’s because of the team joe built. this seems like one of the better reasonable trades we could pull off.

  • May 31, 201112:45 pm
    by Tony

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    Why trade anyone at all?  A better coach might get better results, I’ve seen enough of Joe on TV saying he won’t make deals just to make deals and then he does just that…..a log jam at shooting guard and power forward, no PG, bad FA signings, and horrible draft picks all adding up to bad GM decisions & results.  Trade the 8 and Rip for a 1st next year and a 2nd this year and be done with it.

    • May 31, 20111:02 pm
      by Jack

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      don’t forget the 2004 fiasco of winning a championship with nothing and the Greg Monroe draft pick.  What was he thinking.  Oh wait I forgot his hands were tied the last 2 years so he could not make any improvements.  Yes they should definitely fire him.  Then we can not only rotate coaches every 2 years but also GMs.

      • May 31, 20112:05 pm
        by Laser

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        both of you guys seem confused.
         
        @tony: with all due respect, if you don’t know why this team needs to make trades, i don’t know why anyone would read anything you have to say.
         
        @jack: stop defending joe dumars. nobody’s taking the championship FROM SEVEN YEARS AGO away from him, and greg monroe was an absolute gift at #7. joe deserves no credit whatsoever for drafting monroe, as anyone in his chair would have done the same. absolutely anyone. 100% of human beings would have drafted monroe. it’s called a no-brainer, and you’d have to be a pathetic lapdog to give the man credit for such an obvious selection. dumars hasn’t made a good personnel move in six years, his hands have been tied for less than two, and the only reason having his hands tied is a problem is that he BUILT A SHITTY TEAM. he’s stuck with his own shitty team. he built it. and now he’s stuck with it. no GM should have to go through a living hell because he can’t make any roster moves. because good GMs don’t build rosters that would create a living hell if their hands should somehow end up tied.
         
        you can’t get caught with your pants down if you don’t take them down in the first place.

  • May 31, 201112:51 pm
    by Tony

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    Should read after “Rip” (if anyone will take him), but trading the 8th for a 1st next year and a 2nd this year is doable I would think.

  • May 31, 20111:40 pm
    by Joe Dumars

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    Trading for Boozer could possibly put the Pistons in a worse situation than they are in now with Rip. No Thanks.

  • May 31, 20112:02 pm
    by rob

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    Boozer is not a player you want if your trying to win a championship. But if your just trying to get back to 50 wins and make the playoffs, he can definitely help you get there. He has proven that over the last 5 yrs with Utah and CHI.

    Considered Gordon/Maxiell couldnt even help us accomplish that, I would do that trade.

    By the time we have had a couple 50 win seasons again and ready to contend for real, his contract will likely be expiring and we can move him for the pieces we need to get over the hump.

    He’s not going to be Rasheed Wallace, but he could be Cliff Robinson for a few years until we’re ready for our next Rasheed.

  • May 31, 20112:22 pm
    by Laser

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    fellas, here’s one more for you:
     
    as long as rip and gordon are on this roster, aside from being unable to get the most out of them, we’re never going to establish any value whatsoever for them. they’re going to basically split the 48 SG minutes, never get into a rhythm, and they’ll both look bad. unloading one instantly makes the other one more valuable, both on the floor and as possible trade pieces.
     
    even with all the drawbacks and questions surrounding boozer, he’ll be our first option at PF, and we’ll be able to feature him. gordon would also be our first option at SG, so we’ll be able to feature him for the first time, too. it’s a minor wonder how our guard problems managed to convince people that rip was so worthless we should pay a tax to get rid of him (less than a year into his extension), but that’s how it goes. so we need to restructure this roster a little, or else we’re stuck with two of the worst contracts in the league by virtue of the fact that we can’t showcase the players at all.

    • May 31, 20115:37 pm
      by neutes

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      Well here’s where I sorta disagree with the whole Rip/Gordon thing. I tend to think they are both scrubs, and until BOTH are gone this team isn’t winning jack. I’m not in favor of moving one in the hopes the other becomes valuable somehow, because it’s not going to happen. I view them both in terms of contracts only. Neither of them are productive, and that’s not going to change.
       
      To me, without an amnesty clause, the fastest way to get rid of both of them is to try to get rid of Gordon first, because Rip expires sooner. And why would Gores be willing to buyout Gordon in the event of an amnesty clause if he’s so intent on shedding salary now? If he’s willing to give up a future asset and a draft pick to save $25 million he doesn’t seem like the kind of owner that’s going to open up the checkbook. Dumars under Gores isn’t under any less limitations than he was under Karen Davidson if this is the case. Dan Gilbert is out there willing to spend a fortune to acquire draft picks and young talent, while the Pistons are giving away draft picks because they don’t want to spend? Hmm. I wonder what scenario turns out better?

      • May 31, 20115:51 pm
        by Laser

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        well, we don’t disagree on that, because i want both rip and gordon gone, too. that much is certain. i think it’s sheer madness to pay a shooting guard eight figures unless he’s a sure fire all-star. the fact that we have two on multi-year deals is unconscionable and would justify dumars’s firing on its own.
         
        a few small differences: i don’t think they’re scrubs, just not nearly worth their contracts. and their respective shortcomings create big problems on this particular roster (gordon’s size and turnovers, rip’s weakness at creating his own shots).
         
        but i think you’re oversimplifying the situation by saying they’re just contracts and they’ll never be worth anything and crying over it (i’m only guessing you’ve cried; i’ve cried a little over it). either one of them could very well be productive if the other one was gone. not productive in line with their contracts, but more productive than 25 minutes and 10 points a game each. it’s well-documented that for every reason imaginable i’d like to see gordon gone first.
         
        don’t worry about any buyouts, though. nobody’s buying out three years of gordon’s contract. i don’t know where some of these ideas come from. heck, the organization insists they’ve had trade offers for the guy as recently as february.

  • May 31, 20112:47 pm
    by jake

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    i think the pistons could potentially land monroe’s future frontcourt partner in this year’s draft. i have my fingers crossed on somehow landing kanter. he has the potential to be a bigger and better version of al horford.
    what i’m getting at is that we could actually be better off, both in the future and present, by trading no one at all.

    • May 31, 20114:10 pm
      by Laser

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      “trading no one at all” would be the only thing we could possibly do that would be worse than dumping rip along with the 8th pick.

      • May 31, 20114:29 pm
        by jake

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        no no no, i completely agree with that. i worded that pretty terribly haha, i meant not trading anyone for boozer. i’m 100% on board with moving some players this summer (rip/gordon/CV), and i’m even more on board with not moving the 8th pick. i’d actually wanna try to move up on the draft if possible, kanter’s the real deal imo.

        • May 31, 20115:53 pm
          by Laser

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          personally i don’t think kanter and monroe are an ideal pairing. two big, lumbering guys. i dunno. will they score enough? spread the floor at all? i’d rather see monroe paired with someone a little quicker and more athletic, maybe with a reliable jumper. i’d trade a little size for a lot of athleticism in this case.

  • May 31, 20114:53 pm
    by Eric

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    What about letting Rip and the 8th pick go for nothing.  Then sign Greg Oden, a center with a defensive tenacity, trouble is his knee, but the 8th pick being Tristan, Valunicas, Biyombo, they don’t do anything for him.  Lets hope the best training staff can work with Oden and turn his career around.

    PG Stuckey SG Gordon SF Jerebko PF Monroe C Oden

    Off bench Bynum, Daye, Villanueva, Summers, Wallace, maybe sign one more player Wilcox.

    • May 31, 20115:17 pm
      by Reaction

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      I don’t like that idea at all.. If anyone we should try to get rid of Villanueva or Gordon since there contracts are ridiculous instead of Rip’s… I do however like the idea of Monroe playing power forward.. I’m unsure of Oden though since he is really injury prone

  • May 31, 20116:01 pm
    by rob

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    Hey, someone on realgm.com forum said he heard on sports radio this morning that Rudy Tomjanovich was seen at the Pistons front office today.

    Just wanted to know if anyone else heard this to verify?

    Fans are already speculating that he could be joining the Pistons in some capacity, be it coach, front office, etc.

  • Jun 1, 201112:19 am
    by gmehl1977

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    You would only consider this IF it was Rip/Maxiell or Gordon/Maxiell for Boozer.

  • Jun 1, 20113:31 am
    by Kim Jong Skillz

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    its preposterous to even say that ANYONE would have taken monroe with the 7th pick last year. this is how retarded that statement is. HE WAS VOTED 6TH IN THE ROOKIE VOTING. so obviously theres people out there who didnt think so highly of him at the end of the season, why would they have thought better of him before the season? so to not credit the GM AKA JOE DUMARS with that draft pick is asinine. to discredit him for what he did for our squad for the whole beginning of the 3rd millennium is just amateur.
    as for rip for boozer, it isnt exactly the worst scenario out there. according to reports earlier this year, after the deal with gores had just been announced joe d actually tried that when he signed rips extension but karen nixed that deal. we wouldnt be thin up front, but we would be defensively challenged a bit. i personally wouldnt mind it, but dont think chicago would be a willing trade partner.
    rip & 8th pick for salary room is a no sale to fans, period. but if it happened & we were able to bring in a good FA, it might not be a bad idea. what if we did that & ended up bringing in deandre jordan in as the starting 5 for a good price as jordan didnt exactly have a stellar season last year & at the end of the year shared starting duties with kaman.

  • Jun 1, 20111:18 pm
    by Dan Feldman

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    I actually thought about this trade before Langlois mentioned it. Who says no?

    Basically, as scary as this sounds, I basically agree with Laser.

    Boozer helps in the short term. If the Pistons get better, even just a little, everyone’s trade value improves.

    His contract certainly creates a risk. But here’s risk in keeping Hamilton and watching Ben Gordon’s value continue to plummet.

    Facing risk either way, I’d rather have a big than a guard.

  • Jun 1, 20111:20 pm
    by Dan Feldman

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    I also think there are too many bad feelings between the Bulls and Ben Gordon to make that trade work. The Bulls were obviously interested in Hamilton if he was bought out in February, so I’m more focused on the Hamilton version of the deal than the Gordon/Jason Maxiell version.

  • Jun 1, 20116:09 pm
    by Andy Fung

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    I didn’t take the time to read all of the comments, but I’m sure this sentiment has already been expressed–sorry if it’s redundant, but I wouldn’t trade a ballrack and a couple of towels for Boozer! There was a time when I did covet his services, but that was when he was in Utah and all I could see were the stat-sheets. Living in Chicago, I had the (mis)fortune of seeing him play most nights– the nights he was healthy enough to play–and the guy is kind of a joke. Obviously, he’s injury-prone, but to break your hand tripping over a gymbag? A professional athlete? This tells us more than just “he’s injury-prone”, but also that he is an idiot or at least a klutz. It’s very telling that the Bulls played infinitely better when he was hurt, and I think secretly a lot of fans didn’t want him to return this season. He killed their chemistry, energy, and frankly played like fecal matter. He killed their offense, as his whole repertoire is taking two or three dribbles in the post and turning into a fadeaway. That and catching the ball off a good look by DRose and dunking like how I imagine Bill Russel dunks today. He has to operate from the block while everyone else stands around, which would be fine if he could hit a shot, but he can’t–not consistently, anyway. His problems on offense could be forgiven if he could defend his shadow or grab a meaningful board or two, but he can’t do that either. Hayes really hits all of the good reasons to be wary of his acquisition: Money/contract, age, injury history. Rip’s deal is getting to the point where it is becoming less of a problem and more of a valuable trading piece. Please, Joe, don’t waste it on Boozer! Now, if we could somehow finagle Taj Gibson (yes, I know the money doesn’t work), that would be a different story all together…

  • Jun 4, 20119:24 am
    by Scott

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    Sorry folks, but I’m not doing this trade. Not because Boozer dissappointed in the playoffs. Not because of his big contract. Nope. I’ts because of the fact that despite how great his alma mater is, DUKE PLAYERS JUST DON’T WIN NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS!! Only two have won it all(and both were little used bench players at the time). I know this sounds ignorant, but it’s the truth.

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