Comments on: The Big Answer?: Jason Maxiell

By: Dave

Dave — Wed, 04 May 2011 20:39:13 +0000

uhhhh tim? iguodala is a 6-6 SG/SF = not undersized, gerald wallace is 6-7 and is long and athletic = not undersized (one of the best defensive SF in the game), al horford is 6-10 = not undersized for his natural position which is PF. d wade is on the fence at 6-4 (more like 6-3) but most of the guys he plays against are skinnier and less physical (ben gordon, ray allen, joe johnson…) i.e. i don’t see d wade being overmatched by a lot of 2 guards…looks like your argument is pretty terrible too… look at the gametape buddy
and patrick hayes, jefferson is a 6-10 PF that plays like a SF most of time: i wouldn’t call that undersized. Boozer might only be 6-9 but he is also 6-9 wide and a strong as an ox = i wouldn’t call him undersized for a PF. paul milsap: see below.
i agree with detroitpcb, you don’t draft undersized players unless they are a standout like chris paul (i’ll even give you d wade – if paul milsap is part of your argument then i think that speaks for itself….coughWEAKcough). you can make guys better shooters, better at rebounding, better defenders, but you can’t make them taller.
chuck hayes is what jason maxiell should have been. max is garbage because he is short and cant jump. he is a decent post defender because he uses his leverage (beer gut) to keep guys uneasy down low. he has no offensive game except to hope a rebound falls in his lap. annnnd the dude is FAT (for the record, i dont have anything against overweight people unless they get paid millions of dollars to be an ATHLETE. i dont see a whole lot of other guys as big and as short as j max…). hated it when they picked him in the draft, hated it even more when they re-signed him to that absurd contract

By: Tim

Tim — Tue, 03 May 2011 21:28:33 +0000

Only if you are only going just on height. But I guess detroitpcb probably was because Maxiell is almost as big as Dwight Howard, just considerably shorter. I hadn’t really noticed that earlier, so with the exception of Wade, the players I listed are fairly skinny as well as a little shorter than normal.

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Tue, 03 May 2011 20:20:28 +0000

Paul Milsap and Al Jefferson are both undersized and good too, as is Carlos Boozer.

By: Tim

Tim — Tue, 03 May 2011 19:51:44 +0000

But I do agree that Maxiell is not very useful to the Pistons (kinda like 80% of their roster). They have way too many mediocre players. And Maxiell has about the least upside of any of them. But he will have some value maybe as an expiring deal.

By: Tim

Tim — Tue, 03 May 2011 19:48:55 +0000

That is a terrible argument. Being undersized is obviously a downside in any player. But size is only one of many important qualities in a player–and far from the most important. You might as well say never sign any player who does not have a great touch with his off-hand. It would be a nice quality to have, but not essential. For an example of great play from a seriously undersized player, see Chuck Hayes. Or from slightly undersized players, see Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade, Andre Iguodala, Gerald Wallace, and Al Horford. That’s a hell of a lineup, and all of them are smaller than most players who start at their positions.

By: detroitpcb

detroitpcb — Tue, 03 May 2011 17:00:39 +0000

my argument is simple – do not draft or sign undersized players at any position on the floor except possibly point guard and even there it is a mistake.
Max is not a useful piece going forward and the Pistons should do all they can to trade him.