Comments on: If Greg Monroe and Pistons want respect, apparently they’ll have to take it http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sun, 19 May 2013 08:53:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28929 Laser Thu, 05 May 2011 18:44:49 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28929 fair enough. believe it or not, i try to pick my battles. this one just doesn't raise my ire quite the same way. i'm just resigned to things like this.   it would be a different story if the top three vote-getters weren't who they are, since it's not hard to make a case for wall or cousins. even with that pitiful shooting percentage, 14.1 points looks much better than 9.4. the extra rebound, twice as many assists. those things tend to draw more attention than who turned the ball over less, unless the differences are simply eye-popping. cousins was certainly more involved in the kings' offense than monroe was in detroit's, and i admit i have no idea how cousins did on the defensive end... but again, that would probably only get real attention if it was eye-poppingly bad. like, charlie villanueva bad.   maybe it's just conditioning, but the top three spots seem to have much more significance, and even though i think moose deserved third place, i wouldn't gripe at all about him finishing fourth. fifth would make me roll my eyes. sixth (along with neal's THREE second place votes... <strong>THREE!</strong>) just invalidates the whole thing. but when it comes to raising a big stink, the difference between fourth and sixth feels inconsequential for some reason, even though the difference between third and fifth would feel pretty significant. sorry to have so little passion for this injustice; this team has sucked away my passion. the only passion i have left is venom towards joe dumars and outrage over fans who get distracted from the franchise's myriad tangible problems. fair enough. believe it or not, i try to pick my battles. this one just doesn’t raise my ire quite the same way. i’m just resigned to things like this.
 
it would be a different story if the top three vote-getters weren’t who they are, since it’s not hard to make a case for wall or cousins. even with that pitiful shooting percentage, 14.1 points looks much better than 9.4. the extra rebound, twice as many assists. those things tend to draw more attention than who turned the ball over less, unless the differences are simply eye-popping. cousins was certainly more involved in the kings’ offense than monroe was in detroit’s, and i admit i have no idea how cousins did on the defensive end… but again, that would probably only get real attention if it was eye-poppingly bad. like, charlie villanueva bad.
 
maybe it’s just conditioning, but the top three spots seem to have much more significance, and even though i think moose deserved third place, i wouldn’t gripe at all about him finishing fourth. fifth would make me roll my eyes. sixth (along with neal’s THREE second place votes… THREE!) just invalidates the whole thing. but when it comes to raising a big stink, the difference between fourth and sixth feels inconsequential for some reason, even though the difference between third and fifth would feel pretty significant. sorry to have so little passion for this injustice; this team has sucked away my passion. the only passion i have left is venom towards joe dumars and outrage over fans who get distracted from the franchise’s myriad tangible problems.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28928 Patrick Hayes Thu, 05 May 2011 17:35:56 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28928 <p>"but my main point is that people should be used to this kind of garbage and shouldn’t let it bother them."</p> <p>See, I feel the exact opposite. Yes, we should be used to the media making stupid decisions with their votes. Derrick Rose as damn near a unanimous MVP this year is exhibit A, and the ROY vote is exhibit B. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't let it bother us. You could take any informed NBA fan who simply watches the game out of love in their spare time and they could fill out those ballots better than the media who are paid, paid very well in some cases, to do nothing but watch and cover NBA basketball. That's a serious problem. I'm a huge advocate of letting things like this bother people a lot, so that they are loud and obnoxious about how stupid the process is and how terribly uninformed the people who are supposed to be the most informed are when it comes to things like this.</p> “but my main point is that people should be used to this kind of garbage and shouldn’t let it bother them.”

See, I feel the exact opposite. Yes, we should be used to the media making stupid decisions with their votes. Derrick Rose as damn near a unanimous MVP this year is exhibit A, and the ROY vote is exhibit B. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t let it bother us. You could take any informed NBA fan who simply watches the game out of love in their spare time and they could fill out those ballots better than the media who are paid, paid very well in some cases, to do nothing but watch and cover NBA basketball. That’s a serious problem. I’m a huge advocate of letting things like this bother people a lot, so that they are loud and obnoxious about how stupid the process is and how terribly uninformed the people who are supposed to be the most informed are when it comes to things like this.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28926 Laser Thu, 05 May 2011 17:16:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28926 i wasn't making excuses. that's for sure. just shrugging off a bogus vote and trying to offer reasons why it shouldn't be too upsetting to a fanbase that has more than enough to be upset about and has ample time ahead of it to continue to be upset about existing problems and problems yet to come.   and something less than 100% of what i wrote is inconsequential to the matter at hand. my first point (and the musings that followed) was a direct reference to the headline of this post. if the headline of the post is relevant to the content of the post, then so must be my direct reference. also, at a minimum, the bit about neal's 3 second place votes (<strong>3!!!!!!!</strong>) having negated the entire exercise was of consequence.   but my main point is that people should be used to this kind of garbage and shouldn't let it bother them. it's my strong belief that there's too much wrong with this franchise to sweat a crooked poll. monroe was a victim of circumstance and the snub should be acknowledged. i just wouldn't lose sleep over this. better to lose sleep over the fact that the pistons are going to be awful next year and very probably for years to come. maybe my response was a bit of a non sequitur, but i get frustrated when anyone puts focus on things like this. you may as well get mad at the grass for being green. i ain't hurtin' nobody. i wasn’t making excuses. that’s for sure. just shrugging off a bogus vote and trying to offer reasons why it shouldn’t be too upsetting to a fanbase that has more than enough to be upset about and has ample time ahead of it to continue to be upset about existing problems and problems yet to come.
 
and something less than 100% of what i wrote is inconsequential to the matter at hand. my first point (and the musings that followed) was a direct reference to the headline of this post. if the headline of the post is relevant to the content of the post, then so must be my direct reference. also, at a minimum, the bit about neal’s 3 second place votes (3!!!!!!!) having negated the entire exercise was of consequence.
 
but my main point is that people should be used to this kind of garbage and shouldn’t let it bother them. it’s my strong belief that there’s too much wrong with this franchise to sweat a crooked poll. monroe was a victim of circumstance and the snub should be acknowledged. i just wouldn’t lose sleep over this. better to lose sleep over the fact that the pistons are going to be awful next year and very probably for years to come. maybe my response was a bit of a non sequitur, but i get frustrated when anyone puts focus on things like this. you may as well get mad at the grass for being green. i ain’t hurtin’ nobody.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28924 Patrick Hayes Thu, 05 May 2011 16:15:40 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28924 <p>100 percent of this comment was inconsequential to what the actual point is and why it is completely appropriate for people to care about this.</p> <p>The bottom line is this: media vote on these awards for a reason. They are paid as their jobs to follow and objectively cover the league better than anyone. It's their job to know about players who aren't on national TV. It's their job to know about players like Monroe who may not jump over cars, but still have big impacts when they are on the court. They got this vote really, really wrong. It is important that they are held accountable.</p> <p>Saying, "Welp, no one was gonna beat Griffin anyway," doesn't excuse the fact that they messed this up badly and should have some accountability for that.</p> 100 percent of this comment was inconsequential to what the actual point is and why it is completely appropriate for people to care about this.

The bottom line is this: media vote on these awards for a reason. They are paid as their jobs to follow and objectively cover the league better than anyone. It’s their job to know about players who aren’t on national TV. It’s their job to know about players like Monroe who may not jump over cars, but still have big impacts when they are on the court. They got this vote really, really wrong. It is important that they are held accountable.

Saying, “Welp, no one was gonna beat Griffin anyway,” doesn’t excuse the fact that they messed this up badly and should have some accountability for that.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28922 Laser Thu, 05 May 2011 15:50:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28922 i have sort of a lot to say about this, so i'll keep it as brief as i can:   1) the headline of this post is as obvious as sentences get. back when the pistons were AWESOME and made six straight conference finals, including back-to-back finals appearances and a championship, they had to fight for respect. why should that change now that they collectively don't deserve a shred of respect? this broader issue is a lot like the fact that the pistons haven't gotten the benefit of a whistle since clinton was in office. it's been established. it's old news. get used to it.   2) that being the case, nobody (monroe included) should be bothered by this. it's simple. the pistons had a grand total of ZERO national games, they're absolutely horrendous, it was a one-man race, monroe is the least flashy impact player in the league, and so on and so forth. after memphis "upset" OKC in game 1, z-bo was talking about how people didn't know about the team because they don't get national games. and the grizzlies are GREAT! the pistons are HORRENDOUS and collectively have nothing whatsoever going for them.   3) a glimpse at the voting distribution tells us all we need to know, if the respect issue didn't, which it already did. the vote was unanimous. greg monroe was <strong>not alive</strong> the last time this happened. and on top of that, second place was an absolute landslide. neal was a solid role player on a great team, landry fields was in the early discussion and either got the benefit of the doubt for his post-trade backslide or people just plain stopped paying much attention as the season wore on and the rookies began to blend into the fabric of the league. rookies stand out WAY more in the early going, which would favor someone who came out of the gate firing on all cylinders rather than someone who steadily improved. so nobody took the damn thing seriously, and it's kind of hard to begrudge that. you just gotta shrug it off. there's so much to get upset about with this team. one more snub is just a drop in the bucket.   4) did this voting take place before the playoffs? something tells me neal might have gotten a few votes with that clutch shot to force overtime against the spurs if it didn't. or maybe it's just that he was a surprising contributor on a great team. and one-dimensional as he was, he was pretty f*cking good at that dimention. isn't the bogus excuse everyone talks about for why summers can't catch a break around here that he doesn't do one thing very well. neal sure does. still, he shouldn't have gotten a single vote, because this award should be purely individual. the fact that he got three (THREE??!!?!) second place votes invalidates the entire exercise.   5) maybe this is a nitpick, but monroe's play should never have provided "hope" for anyone. hope that the pistons might not be SO hard to watch anymore, maybe. but real hope, like the hope that the team could turn around? not even close. he and his best teammates amount to "not enough" to get excited about or help the team regain respectability. we're about three greg monroes from genuine "hope." nobody can take monroe away from the team and the fans as a bright spot, like a lone piece of bright golden corn left undigested in a smelly clump of shit, but he's well short of the ability to turn this team around. give me a total of four similar players and i'll have hope for the future. i have sort of a lot to say about this, so i’ll keep it as brief as i can:
 
1) the headline of this post is as obvious as sentences get. back when the pistons were AWESOME and made six straight conference finals, including back-to-back finals appearances and a championship, they had to fight for respect. why should that change now that they collectively don’t deserve a shred of respect? this broader issue is a lot like the fact that the pistons haven’t gotten the benefit of a whistle since clinton was in office. it’s been established. it’s old news. get used to it.
 
2) that being the case, nobody (monroe included) should be bothered by this. it’s simple. the pistons had a grand total of ZERO national games, they’re absolutely horrendous, it was a one-man race, monroe is the least flashy impact player in the league, and so on and so forth. after memphis “upset” OKC in game 1, z-bo was talking about how people didn’t know about the team because they don’t get national games. and the grizzlies are GREAT! the pistons are HORRENDOUS and collectively have nothing whatsoever going for them.
 
3) a glimpse at the voting distribution tells us all we need to know, if the respect issue didn’t, which it already did. the vote was unanimous. greg monroe was not alive the last time this happened. and on top of that, second place was an absolute landslide. neal was a solid role player on a great team, landry fields was in the early discussion and either got the benefit of the doubt for his post-trade backslide or people just plain stopped paying much attention as the season wore on and the rookies began to blend into the fabric of the league. rookies stand out WAY more in the early going, which would favor someone who came out of the gate firing on all cylinders rather than someone who steadily improved. so nobody took the damn thing seriously, and it’s kind of hard to begrudge that. you just gotta shrug it off. there’s so much to get upset about with this team. one more snub is just a drop in the bucket.
 
4) did this voting take place before the playoffs? something tells me neal might have gotten a few votes with that clutch shot to force overtime against the spurs if it didn’t. or maybe it’s just that he was a surprising contributor on a great team. and one-dimensional as he was, he was pretty f*cking good at that dimention. isn’t the bogus excuse everyone talks about for why summers can’t catch a break around here that he doesn’t do one thing very well. neal sure does. still, he shouldn’t have gotten a single vote, because this award should be purely individual. the fact that he got three (THREE??!!?!) second place votes invalidates the entire exercise.
 
5) maybe this is a nitpick, but monroe’s play should never have provided “hope” for anyone. hope that the pistons might not be SO hard to watch anymore, maybe. but real hope, like the hope that the team could turn around? not even close. he and his best teammates amount to “not enough” to get excited about or help the team regain respectability. we’re about three greg monroes from genuine “hope.” nobody can take monroe away from the team and the fans as a bright spot, like a lone piece of bright golden corn left undigested in a smelly clump of shit, but he’s well short of the ability to turn this team around. give me a total of four similar players and i’ll have hope for the future.

]]> By: neutes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28913 neutes Thu, 05 May 2011 14:09:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28913 Pretty unfortunate. I would have given him 3rd. I just don't know that I can place him higher than Wall. It's tough there. Monroe was definitely better than Cousins. Not sure how voters could look at Cousins percentages/turnover rate and consider him better than Monroe. It's like a vote that went off of the basic averages of points, rebounds, assists and ignored everything else. Monroe wasn't rewarded for his improvement over the course of the season, and his final season averages don't reflect how good he was for the entire 2nd half. If voters would have dug deeper into the numbers Monroe should have finished no worse than 3rd. Pretty unfortunate. I would have given him 3rd. I just don’t know that I can place him higher than Wall. It’s tough there. Monroe was definitely better than Cousins. Not sure how voters could look at Cousins percentages/turnover rate and consider him better than Monroe. It’s like a vote that went off of the basic averages of points, rebounds, assists and ignored everything else. Monroe wasn’t rewarded for his improvement over the course of the season, and his final season averages don’t reflect how good he was for the entire 2nd half. If voters would have dug deeper into the numbers Monroe should have finished no worse than 3rd.

]]> By: RandomGuy313 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28910 RandomGuy313 Thu, 05 May 2011 13:10:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28910 Frankly I am tired of the 'chip on my shoulder'; give me the obsessive compulsive Ray Allen work ethic Frankly I am tired of the ‘chip on my shoulder’; give me the obsessive compulsive Ray Allen work ethic

]]> By: RandomGuy313 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28909 RandomGuy313 Thu, 05 May 2011 13:06:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28909 @PH damn you and your faster than my replies!! @PH damn you and your faster than my replies!!

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28908 Patrick Hayes Thu, 05 May 2011 13:05:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28908 <p>Love that passion Big Marv. That's good hustle.</p> Love that passion Big Marv. That’s good hustle.

]]> By: RandomGuy313 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/comment-page-1/#comment-28907 RandomGuy313 Thu, 05 May 2011 13:05:10 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/05/if-greg-monroe-and-pistons-want-respect-apparently-theyll-have-to-go-out-take-it/#comment-28907 @ds shake my head @ds shake my head

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