Comments on: Pistons aren’t close to winning 60 games http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sun, 26 May 2013 02:49:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Mark http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28642 Mark Fri, 29 Apr 2011 06:55:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28642 30 to 60 wins in one year.  If you folks remember the Pistons did it under Carlisle way back when! 30 to 60 wins in one year.  If you folks remember the Pistons did it under Carlisle way back when!

]]> By: Steve http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28626 Steve Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:47:55 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28626 Monroe will continue to improve, I have no doubt. I see him as a legit 15/10 guy, and if they get the right coach that runs a high post offense through him, you could reasonably expect 3-5 assist on a given night. I think you're jumping to conclusions on Jerebko being a hustle and grit guy. At 6'10" and 240, he's an inch shorter than Monroe and 15lbs lighter, which means that he can man the 4 with that extra weight. Statistically speaking, his rookie year he played the second most minutes on the team, obviously this was due to Prince and others being injured. In those vast minutes, he had the second highest true shooting %, his 113 points produced per 100 shots was second to ben wallace, which means he was finishing put backs. He averaged 9 pts and 6 boards a game, he then averaged 1 steal and almost 1 assist a game. Monroe, in his rookie season averaged, 9 pts and 8 rebounds, then he averaged 1 steal and 1 assist a game. So, at what point is Monroe a future all-star and Jerebko is a hustle guy? I think people are really sleeping on this guy. He has a great nose for the ball, he plays defense every time down the floor, and if he gets a consistent mid-range and baseline jumper, this guy is a legit contributor. Is he an All-star, probably not, could he be one of the best PF's in the league? I'd prefer he was out there instead of Villanueva. Monroe will continue to improve, I have no doubt. I see him as a legit 15/10 guy, and if they get the right coach that runs a high post offense through him, you could reasonably expect 3-5 assist on a given night.
I think you’re jumping to conclusions on Jerebko being a hustle and grit guy. At 6’10″ and 240, he’s an inch shorter than Monroe and 15lbs lighter, which means that he can man the 4 with that extra weight.
Statistically speaking, his rookie year he played the second most minutes on the team, obviously this was due to Prince and others being injured. In those vast minutes, he had the second highest true shooting %, his 113 points produced per 100 shots was second to ben wallace, which means he was finishing put backs.
He averaged 9 pts and 6 boards a game, he then averaged 1 steal and almost 1 assist a game.
Monroe, in his rookie season averaged, 9 pts and 8 rebounds, then he averaged 1 steal and 1 assist a game.
So, at what point is Monroe a future all-star and Jerebko is a hustle guy?
I think people are really sleeping on this guy. He has a great nose for the ball, he plays defense every time down the floor, and if he gets a consistent mid-range and baseline jumper, this guy is a legit contributor. Is he an All-star, probably not, could he be one of the best PF’s in the league? I’d prefer he was out there instead of Villanueva.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28596 Patrick Hayes Thu, 28 Apr 2011 14:04:37 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28596 <p>You've yet to give an example of something we've written here that has unfairly attacked someone. I'll hang up and wait for my response off the air.</p> You’ve yet to give an example of something we’ve written here that has unfairly attacked someone. I’ll hang up and wait for my response off the air.

]]> By: Jason http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28595 Jason Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:54:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28595 I don't think I am "ranting".   And to get the response I am getting from you guys there must be some truth in what I am saying. Pay me some money and I will put myself out there. Thanks I don’t think I am “ranting”.   And to get the response I am getting from you guys there must be some truth in what I am saying.

Pay me some money and I will put myself out there.

Thanks

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28491 Laser Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:05:49 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28491 i considered that monroe isn't a true center. but jerebko's not a real power forward, stuckey's not a real point guard, and so on and so on. all this team does is play guys out of position, and monroe's probably going to play center for the most part, since (1) true centers are rare, (2) PF and C are basically interchangeable these days, and (3) all our frontcourt depth is at the four.   it's a stupid conversation anyways, because the pistons have to shake up the roster at every position (by subtraction in some cases) to be relevant again. i considered that monroe isn’t a true center. but jerebko’s not a real power forward, stuckey’s not a real point guard, and so on and so on. all this team does is play guys out of position, and monroe’s probably going to play center for the most part, since (1) true centers are rare, (2) PF and C are basically interchangeable these days, and (3) all our frontcourt depth is at the four.
 
it’s a stupid conversation anyways, because the pistons have to shake up the roster at every position (by subtraction in some cases) to be relevant again.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28480 Dan Feldman Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:04:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28480 <p>Jason, it's possible to put someone down civilly. Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts.</p> Jason, it’s possible to put someone down civilly. Those aren’t mutually exclusive concepts.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28476 Patrick Hayes Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:43:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28476 <p>And another thing that's important to note:</p> <p>Dan and I both have our identities and contact info readily available on this site. If people we write about feel something is unfair or overly critical, they have a means of getting in touch with us, talking and giving their view. In some instances, this has happened for both of us and added to our perception of a situation.</p> <p>You, on the other hand, have the advantage of making dickish comments anonymously. I'm not hating on anonymity -- totally fine to be anonymous. But there's a difference between putting your name and e-mail on a criticism that is researched and supported. You pretty much just call names behind a screen name.</p> And another thing that’s important to note:

Dan and I both have our identities and contact info readily available on this site. If people we write about feel something is unfair or overly critical, they have a means of getting in touch with us, talking and giving their view. In some instances, this has happened for both of us and added to our perception of a situation.

You, on the other hand, have the advantage of making dickish comments anonymously. I’m not hating on anonymity — totally fine to be anonymous. But there’s a difference between putting your name and e-mail on a criticism that is researched and supported. You pretty much just call names behind a screen name.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28475 Patrick Hayes Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:38:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28475 <p>What have Dan or I written that has "put down" players or coaches or GMs? We write about what happens in the games. We write about stats, which sorry, but stats don't lie, and in a lot of cases, they aren't very pretty. We've never once advocated for a front office person or coach to be fired. We certainly link to news reports that are out there that may be negative, but overall, the content here is pretty tone-neutral.</p> <p>You're right, Sacramento is not the best situation. But you just said in your previous comment that "every player has control over whether his team wins or loses." So now are you saying that winning and losing in Sac is out of Cousins' control?</p> <p>i have no problem with debates. I have no problems with people who disagree with my opinions or other opinions here. But bring relevant information. All you do is rant.</p> What have Dan or I written that has “put down” players or coaches or GMs? We write about what happens in the games. We write about stats, which sorry, but stats don’t lie, and in a lot of cases, they aren’t very pretty. We’ve never once advocated for a front office person or coach to be fired. We certainly link to news reports that are out there that may be negative, but overall, the content here is pretty tone-neutral.

You’re right, Sacramento is not the best situation. But you just said in your previous comment that “every player has control over whether his team wins or loses.” So now are you saying that winning and losing in Sac is out of Cousins’ control?

i have no problem with debates. I have no problems with people who disagree with my opinions or other opinions here. But bring relevant information. All you do is rant.

]]> By: Jason http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28473 Jason Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:57:16 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28473 And all the articles putting down player, coaches and gm's is civil?  I think some backlash is warranted buddy.  Unless I am hurting feelings. Cousins = wins?  If you are going to throw out an equation you need to consider the whole situation.  Sacramento is not the best organization right now either. I have been saying since the draft Cousins would look ten times better in Detroit.  The guy is a scrapper. And all the articles putting down player, coaches and gm’s is civil?  I think some backlash is warranted buddy.  Unless I am hurting feelings.

Cousins = wins?  If you are going to throw out an equation you need to consider the whole situation.  Sacramento is not the best organization right now either.

I have been saying since the draft Cousins would look ten times better in Detroit.  The guy is a scrapper.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/comment-page-1/#comment-28472 Patrick Hayes Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:41:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/pistons-arent-close-to-winning-60-games/#comment-28472 <p>Haha. "Statboy." Love the civil way you engage in conversations around here. So Cousins = Wins? Someone should tell that to Sacramento.</p> Haha. “Statboy.” Love the civil way you engage in conversations around here. So Cousins = Wins? Someone should tell that to Sacramento.

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