Comments on: Mouthy Bulls fans, abundance of soft play not a good look for the current Pistons with so many Pistons greats in the building http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 25 May 2013 11:21:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27300 Patrick Hayes Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:52:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27300 <p>The perception that she's holding out for more money is simply wrong. I mean, she might be, but we don't know.</p> <p>The fact is, every single NBA owner has to approve the sale of the team. Even if she wanted to take less to be rid of the team, she couldn't because other franchises are not going to allow the value of their teams to be impacted by having the Pistons sell for less than what they are worth.</p> <p>On top of that, the NBA currently owns one of the league's franchises, the Hornets. They are trying to sell that team at a profit. There is absolutely no way they would let the Pistons sell at a below market price. Davidson isn't holding this up, the league is.</p> The perception that she’s holding out for more money is simply wrong. I mean, she might be, but we don’t know.

The fact is, every single NBA owner has to approve the sale of the team. Even if she wanted to take less to be rid of the team, she couldn’t because other franchises are not going to allow the value of their teams to be impacted by having the Pistons sell for less than what they are worth.

On top of that, the NBA currently owns one of the league’s franchises, the Hornets. They are trying to sell that team at a profit. There is absolutely no way they would let the Pistons sell at a below market price. Davidson isn’t holding this up, the league is.

]]> By: Kim Jong Skillz http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27289 Kim Jong Skillz Mon, 04 Apr 2011 17:51:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27289 ms. davidson definitely deserved to get booed & friday night was a perfect opportunity to do it. she refuses to let this deal go through because she wants a few extra dollars? seriously, shes squabbling over her profit margin? she owns the pistons, palace entertainment AND the palace out right. anything she sells it for is PROFIT. its not like they just bought the team yesterday. bill has had that team forever & it has appreciated in value exponentially. if she loved the team & loved what bill loved, she wouldnt be dragging this on as long as it has. shes being a selfish greedy person & the team and fans are the ones who are suffering. ms. davidson definitely deserved to get booed & friday night was a perfect opportunity to do it. she refuses to let this deal go through because she wants a few extra dollars? seriously, shes squabbling over her profit margin? she owns the pistons, palace entertainment AND the palace out right. anything she sells it for is PROFIT. its not like they just bought the team yesterday. bill has had that team forever & it has appreciated in value exponentially. if she loved the team & loved what bill loved, she wouldnt be dragging this on as long as it has. shes being a selfish greedy person & the team and fans are the ones who are suffering.

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]]> By: Larry http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27248 Larry Sat, 02 Apr 2011 19:09:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27248 You're right, @Pistolino.  The sales staff has gone from Chauncey Billups to Chris Wilcox talent level along with the team.  There is a lack of optimism and energy throughout the organization it seems.  Unfortunately, that's not going to be a quick fix.  And personally, I don't care to buy a stake in it.  Losing I can take, but only if you can see (or believe someone in charge can see) a light at the end of the tunnel. You’re right, @Pistolino.  The sales staff has gone from Chauncey Billups to Chris Wilcox talent level along with the team.  There is a lack of optimism and energy throughout the organization it seems.  Unfortunately, that’s not going to be a quick fix.  And personally, I don’t care to buy a stake in it.  Losing I can take, but only if you can see (or believe someone in charge can see) a light at the end of the tunnel.

]]> By: bball4224 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27242 bball4224 Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:43:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27242 I just can't stand the lineups Kuester puts in there, we need a three but instead lets keep going for twos. Villanueva, Gordon, Daye all should be out there when we need threes, Stuckey never should. Why did Stuckey play so much? He brought nothing to the game, he should have been out and Charlie should have been in, the three guard lineup is useless when you play slow. Also you have to surround a three guard lineup with some rebounders or somethin, not Daye and lil Maxy. Back to Dumars, my dad thought they were doin Duuuumars too but idt so, from all the crap i read from fans they act like he has ruined the team and seem to forget the last 10 years and his playing career. I just can’t stand the lineups Kuester puts in there, we need a three but instead lets keep going for twos. Villanueva, Gordon, Daye all should be out there when we need threes, Stuckey never should. Why did Stuckey play so much? He brought nothing to the game, he should have been out and Charlie should have been in, the three guard lineup is useless when you play slow. Also you have to surround a three guard lineup with some rebounders or somethin, not Daye and lil Maxy. Back to Dumars, my dad thought they were doin Duuuumars too but idt so, from all the crap i read from fans they act like he has ruined the team and seem to forget the last 10 years and his playing career.

]]> By: @Pistolino http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27241 @Pistolino Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:37:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27241 I'm also a season ticket holder and I agree with everything you've said.  I am disgusted by what I feel is a lack of reality on the part of the NBA/Karen/the consulting group in that they expect someone who is a good businessman to overpay for the franchise.  Who does that?  If my house is worth $200K and I list it for $300K, it isn't going to sell.  Same with the Pistons.  Tom Gores is not in the charity business, he wants to buy a viable business.  For Karen to complain that she's "frustrated" by the process of his people asking for more financial information - well it's just ridiculous.  If you have nothing to hide, provide the requested information.  But the NBA is all about inflating value, inflating attendance numbers, why should the books be any different?  I seriously wonder if the team is even a profit-maker anymore. Part of the night was clearly a last-ditch effort for the sales staff to appease the ticket holders by providing a meet and greet and a photo with Dennis.  I had people asking my name, shaking my hand, the whole bit.  Two weeks before, I got an in-seat visit by my sales rep.  This stuff should have been going on all season, but it wasn't.  The middle to low-end seat holders were basically ignored all year, and only when it became clear nobody was renewing and people were angry did the sales staff pay attention. The current team itself?  Ugh.  Kuester needed to be fired months ago, the in-team dissention is tiresome (again the over-valuing issue - Rip and Tay overvalued and weren't traded like they should have been).  Many of the losses this year are due to Kuester and his stupid lineups and his inability to make changes to stop the bleeding when the opposing team is leaving us in the dust. I’m also a season ticket holder and I agree with everything you’ve said.  I am disgusted by what I feel is a lack of reality on the part of the NBA/Karen/the consulting group in that they expect someone who is a good businessman to overpay for the franchise.  Who does that?  If my house is worth $200K and I list it for $300K, it isn’t going to sell.  Same with the Pistons.  Tom Gores is not in the charity business, he wants to buy a viable business.  For Karen to complain that she’s “frustrated” by the process of his people asking for more financial information – well it’s just ridiculous.  If you have nothing to hide, provide the requested information.  But the NBA is all about inflating value, inflating attendance numbers, why should the books be any different?  I seriously wonder if the team is even a profit-maker anymore.

Part of the night was clearly a last-ditch effort for the sales staff to appease the ticket holders by providing a meet and greet and a photo with Dennis.  I had people asking my name, shaking my hand, the whole bit.  Two weeks before, I got an in-seat visit by my sales rep.  This stuff should have been going on all season, but it wasn’t.  The middle to low-end seat holders were basically ignored all year, and only when it became clear nobody was renewing and people were angry did the sales staff pay attention.

The current team itself?  Ugh.  Kuester needed to be fired months ago, the in-team dissention is tiresome (again the over-valuing issue – Rip and Tay overvalued and weren’t traded like they should have been).  Many of the losses this year are due to Kuester and his stupid lineups and his inability to make changes to stop the bleeding when the opposing team is leaving us in the dust.

]]> By: BIG MARV http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27239 BIG MARV Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:27:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27239 Man im tired of it the guys dont even respect the piston legends last night and played hard and try to win. Stuckey acting like a baby again and only had 2pts ben gordon dont show up no more and I was pissed that they didnt play big ben on rodman night just to show the guy some defensive respect cause he's a future piston legend himself. I give tay, rip, greg monroe, and even will bynum respect for playing their ass off last night. They knew what kind of night it was and they showed it through their play. Thank god this season is about over I hope some of these guys never come back to detroit ever. Man im tired of it the guys dont even respect the piston legends last night and played hard and try to win. Stuckey acting like a baby again and only had 2pts ben gordon dont show up no more and I was pissed that they didnt play big ben on rodman night just to show the guy some defensive respect cause he’s a future piston legend himself. I give tay, rip, greg monroe, and even will bynum respect for playing their ass off last night. They knew what kind of night it was and they showed it through their play. Thank god this season is about over I hope some of these guys never come back to detroit ever.

]]> By: @Pistolino http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27238 @Pistolino Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:21:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27238 Patrick, I agree, there was no Duuuu-mars...it was booing.  I was also in a section with a ton of Bulls fans cheering every basket and chanting MVP, a sea of red and black. Patrick, I agree, there was no Duuuu-mars…it was booing.  I was also in a section with a ton of Bulls fans cheering every basket and chanting MVP, a sea of red and black.

]]> By: Larry http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/mouthy-bulls-fans-abundance-of-soft-play-not-a-good-look-for-the-current-pistons-with-so-many-pistons-greats-in-the-building/comment-page-1/#comment-27237 Larry Sat, 02 Apr 2011 16:19:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5628#comment-27237 Patrick,   I was there and when I heard the booing, I cringed.  I didn't boo, but I think I loud expression for dissatisfaction was totally justified:   1) The Rodman night was well deserved, but also a marketing scheme to produce a large crowd, during a listless season.  I'm OK with that, but to cloak Joe, Mrs. D, or the evening in nostalgia should not blur the obvious-- The Bad Boy and Go to Work brand has been decimated.  This team bears no resemblance to the beloved teams of the past.  And ownership/management is completely responsible. Joe Dumars, GM, is the architect for this dislikable crew he has SYSTEMATICALLY assembled. 2) Why give ownership a pass because they are selling.  Why should I, a seasons ticket holder, be worried that Mrs. D. gets a good deal, or the sale price hits the NBA numbers or anything else?  I think that it is outrageous that we excuse anyone for putting the roster in a holding pattern.  When I bout tickets this season, no one told me that, "Oh by the way, there will be no attempt to improved the team if it is lousy.  You know, with the sale and all . . . ." 3) I am offended that ownership and management have made so little communication with the fans.  There have been no pledges, explanations, just pretty much silence.  We should just trust them, that even though the coach has lost control of players who have pretty much lost everyone's respect by their lack of professionalism, we should assume that some how the folks at the Palace are doing their best. I don't like feeling so bitter, but after the past three seasons, I've lost the faith.     Patrick,
 
I was there and when I heard the booing, I cringed.  I didn’t boo, but I think I loud expression for dissatisfaction was totally justified:
 
1) The Rodman night was well deserved, but also a marketing scheme to produce a large crowd, during a listless season.  I’m OK with that, but to cloak Joe, Mrs. D, or the evening in nostalgia should not blur the obvious– The Bad Boy and Go to Work brand has been decimated.  This team bears no resemblance to the beloved teams of the past.  And ownership/management is completely responsible. Joe Dumars, GM, is the architect for this dislikable crew he has SYSTEMATICALLY assembled.
2) Why give ownership a pass because they are selling.  Why should I, a seasons ticket holder, be worried that Mrs. D. gets a good deal, or the sale price hits the NBA numbers or anything else?  I think that it is outrageous that we excuse anyone for putting the roster in a holding pattern.  When I bout tickets this season, no one told me that, “Oh by the way, there will be no attempt to improved the team if it is lousy.  You know, with the sale and all . . . .”
3) I am offended that ownership and management have made so little communication with the fans.  There have been no pledges, explanations, just pretty much silence.  We should just trust them, that even though the coach has lost control of players who have pretty much lost everyone’s respect by their lack of professionalism, we should assume that some how the folks at the Palace are doing their best.
I don’t like feeling so bitter, but after the past three seasons, I’ve lost the faith.
 
 

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