Comments on: Let the coaching speculation begin http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:58:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: 2Tough http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27999 2Tough Thu, 21 Apr 2011 01:05:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27999 I didn't say Gordon was completely inept as a basketball player, though he's been pretty close to that as a Piston.  I meant he is completely inept as a point guard.  And that's 100% factual. There's a reason NONE of his coaches have ever run him for long stretches at the point...  because he is simply incapable of playing it, in any system.   This offense will never flourish with Gordon at the point, and I don't care how much you minimize the importance of the position. I didn’t say Gordon was completely inept as a basketball player, though he’s been pretty close to that as a Piston.  I meant he is completely inept as a point guard.  And that’s 100% factual. There’s a reason NONE of his coaches have ever run him for long stretches at the point…  because he is simply incapable of playing it, in any system.
 
This offense will never flourish with Gordon at the point, and I don’t care how much you minimize the importance of the position.

]]> By: Oz http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27982 Oz Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:20:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27982 Pistons' problem isn't with only Kuester. I believe his assistants are poor. Ok, Kuester knows a lot of offensive theory, but Pistons need DEFENSE! If Dumars gets Adelman, also he must take a defensive-mind assistant; like Mike Malone (NOH). We have young guys. Player development coach is very important for me. Especially for Monroe. Pat Ewing is coaching Howard. Rick Mahorn can do this job. Al last, Laimbeer. All supporters want him! May be, early for head coach, but he must be at Palace for Bad Boys spirit! (Sorry, i don't know English very well.) Pistons’ problem isn’t with only Kuester. I believe his assistants are poor. Ok, Kuester knows a lot of offensive theory, but Pistons need DEFENSE! If Dumars gets Adelman, also he must take a defensive-mind assistant; like Mike Malone (NOH).
We have young guys. Player development coach is very important for me. Especially for Monroe. Pat Ewing is coaching Howard. Rick Mahorn can do this job.
Al last, Laimbeer. All supporters want him! May be, early for head coach, but he must be at Palace for Bad Boys spirit!
(Sorry, i don’t know English very well.)

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27977 Patrick Hayes Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:21:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27977 <p>Vic, how can you be sure Laimbeer would take our bigs to another level, particularly on defense? I mean, Laimbeer supporters point to Kevin Love and credit his development to Laimbeer. That's fine I guess, but it overlooks the fact that Love is a pretty bad defensive player.</p> <p>Laimbeer could very well be a decent NBA head coach, but he's been on a staff of a miserable team for two seasons. I just don't see how you can evaluate his ability to develop players based on that.</p> Vic, how can you be sure Laimbeer would take our bigs to another level, particularly on defense? I mean, Laimbeer supporters point to Kevin Love and credit his development to Laimbeer. That’s fine I guess, but it overlooks the fact that Love is a pretty bad defensive player.

Laimbeer could very well be a decent NBA head coach, but he’s been on a staff of a miserable team for two seasons. I just don’t see how you can evaluate his ability to develop players based on that.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27976 Patrick Hayes Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:17:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27976 <p>Come on now 2tough, I know you hate facts, but let's read what I actually wrote.</p> <p>First of all, your premise that Ben Gordon is "completely inept" is wrong. Gordon has proven that in the right role, he's one of the best shooters in the league, an explosive scorer and a guy who even had the ability to put it on the floor and finish with his patented floater. The film is out there. He did those things for five years in Chicago. Has he been successful in Detroit? Absolutely not. But syaing he's 'completely inept' is completely inept analysis on your part.</p> <p>Secondly, I never said that Gordon would be a better point guard than Bibby. I said he could succeed in a role similar to the one Bibby had in Sacramento, or even in Atlanta. Yes, it's true. Bibby came into the league as a PG. He was very good at Arizona and was OK as a traditional point on some horrible Vancouver teams. But to say that he did anything in Sacramento or Atlanta that was "traditional" at the position is a stretch. The Kings ran their offense through their bigs. Bibby was a shooter (and a very good one), who didn't handle the ball much once he advanced it past halfcourt. In Atlanta, his primary responsibility was to dribble the ball up and get it to Joe Johnson, then spot up for jumpers.</p> <p>The whole point of this is to say that Adelman is a creative coach who has used players in ways more traditional coaches may not have used them. That's exactly what the Pistons need since they have a roster full of guys who don't necessarily fit a single position perfectly.</p> Come on now 2tough, I know you hate facts, but let’s read what I actually wrote.

First of all, your premise that Ben Gordon is “completely inept” is wrong. Gordon has proven that in the right role, he’s one of the best shooters in the league, an explosive scorer and a guy who even had the ability to put it on the floor and finish with his patented floater. The film is out there. He did those things for five years in Chicago. Has he been successful in Detroit? Absolutely not. But syaing he’s ‘completely inept’ is completely inept analysis on your part.

Secondly, I never said that Gordon would be a better point guard than Bibby. I said he could succeed in a role similar to the one Bibby had in Sacramento, or even in Atlanta. Yes, it’s true. Bibby came into the league as a PG. He was very good at Arizona and was OK as a traditional point on some horrible Vancouver teams. But to say that he did anything in Sacramento or Atlanta that was “traditional” at the position is a stretch. The Kings ran their offense through their bigs. Bibby was a shooter (and a very good one), who didn’t handle the ball much once he advanced it past halfcourt. In Atlanta, his primary responsibility was to dribble the ball up and get it to Joe Johnson, then spot up for jumpers.

The whole point of this is to say that Adelman is a creative coach who has used players in ways more traditional coaches may not have used them. That’s exactly what the Pistons need since they have a roster full of guys who don’t necessarily fit a single position perfectly.

]]> By: Cliff http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27974 Cliff Wed, 20 Apr 2011 06:19:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27974 Okay srsly had it with all those ppl who think Thibodeau is a miracle worker. True, he's a good coach, but so far that's all we can say about him. GOOD coach. He walked into a job that contained a fantastic roster with players who can play good defense and good offense. If the Bulls hired Q this yr I'm fully convinced that they still would've won at least 50 games. I mean, look at their team! In terms of Adelman, would LOVE to have the guy. All the good stuff have been said... but I think the issue is whether he would actually come to a team that is under reconstruction. Otherwise, I don't see a problem with Bill Laimbeer, that guy is a local hero and his aggressive coaching style will instantly demand respect. Nevertheless, the best coaching staff: (head) Adelman, (assistants) Laimbeer + Brian Hill + whoever Okay srsly had it with all those ppl who think Thibodeau is a miracle worker. True, he’s a good coach, but so far that’s all we can say about him. GOOD coach. He walked into a job that contained a fantastic roster with players who can play good defense and good offense. If the Bulls hired Q this yr I’m fully convinced that they still would’ve won at least 50 games. I mean, look at their team!
In terms of Adelman, would LOVE to have the guy. All the good stuff have been said… but I think the issue is whether he would actually come to a team that is under reconstruction. Otherwise, I don’t see a problem with Bill Laimbeer, that guy is a local hero and his aggressive coaching style will instantly demand respect. Nevertheless, the best coaching staff: (head) Adelman, (assistants) Laimbeer + Brian Hill + whoever

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27971 gmehl1977 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:28:16 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27971 The point Patrick was trying to make (which i think you missed) was that with the Princeton offense the pistons would run under Adelman all Gordon would have to do was bring the ball up the court and get it to Monroe. Gordon is more than capable of doing that. He doesn't have the PG skills to set up an offense like traditional PGs like Nash, Paul or even Billups. The point Patrick was trying to make (which i think you missed) was that with the Princeton offense the pistons would run under Adelman all Gordon would have to do was bring the ball up the court and get it to Monroe. Gordon is more than capable of doing that. He doesn’t have the PG skills to set up an offense like traditional PGs like Nash, Paul or even Billups.

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27970 gmehl1977 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:21:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27970 What bigs Vic? I am guessing you mean big as in Monroe. What bigs Vic? I am guessing you mean big as in Monroe.

]]> By: detroitpcb http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27968 detroitpcb Wed, 20 Apr 2011 04:49:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27968 i would like to note that supposedly ALL of Houstons players expressed their desire to see Adelman return during their post season exit interviews. i would like to note that supposedly ALL of Houstons players expressed their desire to see Adelman return during their post season exit interviews.

]]> By: vic http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27965 vic Wed, 20 Apr 2011 03:01:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27965 I think Adelman would be successful here, but i think from looking at his coaching history that you brought up (Christie, Yao, Battier, Artest) - he would need to have couple of good defenders on the team in order to succeed. He seems to be a shade bit on the offensive side. So having Biyombo, Jerebko, Stuckey, and Monroe would be a necessity to make Adelman successful here.  Especially Biyombo, because we don't have any shot blocking presence with Ben Wallace up in age. Biyombo, Jerebko= defensive improvement in paint and on wings + Adelman = offensive improvement from a proven coach = 10 - 20 additional wins next season for the Pistons. I'd also be happy with Laimbeer, because he would take all of our bigs to another level. Defense in the paint was our biggest weakness this season, we already have plenty of scorers. I'm not sure about his offensive prowess, but it can't be that bad, he won a 'ship with the WNBA, and he had to coach point guards. I think Adelman would be successful here, but i think from looking at his coaching history that you brought up (Christie, Yao, Battier, Artest) – he would need to have couple of good defenders on the team in order to succeed. He seems to be a shade bit on the offensive side.

So having Biyombo, Jerebko, Stuckey, and Monroe would be a necessity to make Adelman successful here.  Especially Biyombo, because we don’t have any shot blocking presence with Ben Wallace up in age.
Biyombo, Jerebko= defensive improvement in paint and on wings
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Adelman = offensive improvement from a proven coach
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10 – 20 additional wins next season for the Pistons.

I’d also be happy with Laimbeer, because he would take all of our bigs to another level. Defense in the paint was our biggest weakness this season, we already have plenty of scorers.
I’m not sure about his offensive prowess, but it can’t be that bad, he won a ‘ship with the WNBA, and he had to coach point guards.

]]> By: 2Tough http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/let-the-coaching-speculation-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-27959 2Tough Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:47:34 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5826#comment-27959 Mike Bibby was never a traditional point guard, but I have no idea why you'd try to paint him out to be completely inept like Ben Gordon.  Bibby has been playing the point his whole NBA career.  He had a couple seasons in Vancouver where he averaged over 8 assists per game prior to joining the Kings.  Gordon doesn't have anywhere near the skills that Bibby had running the point. Mike Bibby was never a traditional point guard, but I have no idea why you’d try to paint him out to be completely inept like Ben Gordon.  Bibby has been playing the point his whole NBA career.  He had a couple seasons in Vancouver where he averaged over 8 assists per game prior to joining the Kings.  Gordon doesn’t have anywhere near the skills that Bibby had running the point.

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