Comments on: Detroit Pistons can sign-and-trade Rodney Stuckey this summer http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 16:40:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: brgulker http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-29433 brgulker Fri, 13 May 2011 13:53:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-29433 I can't speak for everyone, but I would be. Felton's a better PG, and he's only on contract for one more season should things not work out. Perhaps Denver would bite given JR Smith's (seemingly inevitable) departure? I can’t speak for everyone, but I would be. Felton’s a better PG, and he’s only on contract for one more season should things not work out. Perhaps Denver would bite given JR Smith’s (seemingly inevitable) departure?

]]> By: JR Maness http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-29398 JR Maness Fri, 13 May 2011 00:14:55 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-29398 Would you guys be interested in a Felton for Rodney Stuckey sign and trade Would you guys be interested in a Felton for Rodney Stuckey sign and trade

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27753 Dan Feldman Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:51:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27753 <p>Ah, just saw this comment. Still, the second reason above matters more.</p> Ah, just saw this comment. Still, the second reason above matters more.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27752 Dan Feldman Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:48:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27752 <p>Ben, interesting point, but a couple reasons why this does matter:</p> <p>1. If Stuckey signs an offer sheet that the Pistons match, they can't trade him to the team Stuckey originally signed with. A sign-and-trade before Stuckey signs the offer sheet would be the only way to send Stuckey to that team.</p> <p>2. If Stuckey accepts the qualifying offer or the Pistons match another offer, the Pistons can't trade Stuckey until Dec. 15 (or three months after he accepts the QO/the Pistons match). A sign-and-trade would allow him to join his new team significantly sooner.</p> Ben, interesting point, but a couple reasons why this does matter:

1. If Stuckey signs an offer sheet that the Pistons match, they can’t trade him to the team Stuckey originally signed with. A sign-and-trade before Stuckey signs the offer sheet would be the only way to send Stuckey to that team.

2. If Stuckey accepts the qualifying offer or the Pistons match another offer, the Pistons can’t trade Stuckey until Dec. 15 (or three months after he accepts the QO/the Pistons match). A sign-and-trade would allow him to join his new team significantly sooner.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27751 Dan Feldman Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:42:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27751 <p>Ben, I think you're on the right track. I just want to clarify one thing. If the Pistons sign-and-trade Stuckey, that has to be agreed upon at the time of the signing. They can't sign him, then work out a sign-and-trade later.</p> Ben, I think you’re on the right track. I just want to clarify one thing. If the Pistons sign-and-trade Stuckey, that has to be agreed upon at the time of the signing. They can’t sign him, then work out a sign-and-trade later.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27748 Dan Feldman Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:38:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27748 <p>Steve, this is not accurate. <a href="http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/49448872.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Villanueva became an unrestricted free agent when the Bucks didn't extend him a qualifying offer</a>. The Bucks still held his bird rights, but they no longer had the ability to match offer sheets. I doubt they ever renounced him (that's rarely announced), but his cap hold was removed from the Bucks when Detroit signed him.</p> Steve, this is not accurate. Villanueva became an unrestricted free agent when the Bucks didn’t extend him a qualifying offer. The Bucks still held his bird rights, but they no longer had the ability to match offer sheets. I doubt they ever renounced him (that’s rarely announced), but his cap hold was removed from the Bucks when Detroit signed him.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27745 Dan Feldman Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:28:50 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27745 <p>Steve, Stuckey does not have to become an unrestricted free agent for him to be part of a sign-and-trade. I logically can't prove that a rule that doesn't exist, in fact, doesn't exist. So, I'll put the onus on you to prove that the rule exists. Here's a head start:</p> <p><a href="http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q79" rel="nofollow">http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q79</a></p> Steve, Stuckey does not have to become an unrestricted free agent for him to be part of a sign-and-trade. I logically can’t prove that a rule that doesn’t exist, in fact, doesn’t exist. So, I’ll put the onus on you to prove that the rule exists. Here’s a head start:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q79

]]> By: Tim http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27743 Tim Wed, 13 Apr 2011 18:23:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27743 I actually am among those who hope that Detroit retains Stuckey. Although, to be honest, I certainly wouldn't be devastated if they didn't. But it is absurd to say that this year Stuckey has shown the ability to hit threes. Here are his last three seasons of 3 point shooting: 23-78, 18-79, 25-87. Stuckey is at a career high 1.3 3 point attempts per game (but that's not really much more than 1.0 or 1.1). But he is still shooting them at under 30 percent. That is terrible. Conclusion: 3 point shooting is not part of Stuckey's game to date. As for everything else. He has again this season shown incremental improvement in his game. But he has shown no more ability than he did two or three yeas ago. And he has shown only the tiniest bit more tendency to use his big time ability. I actually am among those who hope that Detroit retains Stuckey. Although, to be honest, I certainly wouldn’t be devastated if they didn’t. But it is absurd to say that this year Stuckey has shown the ability to hit threes. Here are his last three seasons of 3 point shooting: 23-78, 18-79, 25-87. Stuckey is at a career high 1.3 3 point attempts per game (but that’s not really much more than 1.0 or 1.1). But he is still shooting them at under 30 percent. That is terrible. Conclusion: 3 point shooting is not part of Stuckey’s game to date.
As for everything else. He has again this season shown incremental improvement in his game. But he has shown no more ability than he did two or three yeas ago. And he has shown only the tiniest bit more tendency to use his big time ability.

]]> By: Steve K http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27731 Steve K Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:26:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27731 I'm not gonna waste any more thought on Stuckey and his "talent." Yes, he has NBA-level talent and may improve, but will that translate to wins?   In Rick Carlisle's first season - the start of most recent Piston run of excellence - the Pistons' starting 5 was: - Stackhouse - Cliffy - Ben Wallace - Michael Curry - Dana Barros   There's not a ton of "talent" on that team. What they did have was chemistry and an identity, based on Big Ben's ability to dominate the paint.   If the Pistons are to get back to an elite level, they need to figure out an identity. Are they run-and-gun? Defense-first? If Stuckey fits in that plan, great. If not, let him go. There are plenty of way-cheaper guards in the league. I’m not gonna waste any more thought on Stuckey and his “talent.” Yes, he has NBA-level talent and may improve, but will that translate to wins?
 
In Rick Carlisle’s first season – the start of most recent Piston run of excellence – the Pistons’ starting 5 was:
- Stackhouse
- Cliffy
- Ben Wallace
- Michael Curry
- Dana Barros
 
There’s not a ton of “talent” on that team. What they did have was chemistry and an identity, based on Big Ben’s ability to dominate the paint.
 
If the Pistons are to get back to an elite level, they need to figure out an identity. Are they run-and-gun? Defense-first? If Stuckey fits in that plan, great. If not, let him go. There are plenty of way-cheaper guards in the league.

]]> By: Ben http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-27728 Ben Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:12:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/detroit-pistons-can-sign-and-trade-rodney-stuckey-this-summer/#comment-27728 With the sole proviso that they can't match a contract, and then sign-and-trade him to the team that made the offer. With the sole proviso that they can’t match a contract, and then sign-and-trade him to the team that made the offer.

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