Comments on: Austin Daye atones for earlier mistakes in Pistons win over Philadelphia http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 18 May 2013 21:53:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Tim http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27859 Tim Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:57:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27859 You expect more than 20 and 8 from Stuckey? All I can say is that I hope one of the other 29 teams in the league hires you as a scout. It's not that it isn't possible. He has that kind of upside. But he has never put together a full month of good basketball. You expect more than 20 and 8 from Stuckey? All I can say is that I hope one of the other 29 teams in the league hires you as a scout. It’s not that it isn’t possible. He has that kind of upside. But he has never put together a full month of good basketball.

]]> By: bball4224 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27858 bball4224 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:48:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27858 Well i know he's not the greatest defender and he gets a lot of fouls (part of it is i think he gets so many that the refs just call them if he's there by someone driving). But when i'm watching it looks like he's at least trying. And he seems to want to be here, he didn't participate in boycott and if you watched the video tour of his house he was showing his Raptors, Bucks, and Pistons jersey and he said there isn't room for more and he plans on staying with the Pistons for awhile. If you don't want to be here, i don't want you here, that's what ticked me off with Tay and Rip most the season, they acted like they were stuck with us and were miserable. There are plenty of times Charlie and BG have only attempted a couple shots but made them both and Kuester sits them for people that are struggling or in final minutes when we need a 3, he leaves Charlie and BG on the bench (even Daye sometimes) but Rodney is always out there when he has no jumper and wants to take the final shot. 5 seconds left and we're down by 3, so instead we go for a 2....? We need a new coach, i'm fine w/ Woodson, or the Cavs last coach (can't think of his name right now), but if Kuester and Stuckey are both Pistons next season it's going to be hard for me to watch all of our games again. Because both of those guys decision making skills just boggle my mind and anger me. Well i know he’s not the greatest defender and he gets a lot of fouls (part of it is i think he gets so many that the refs just call them if he’s there by someone driving). But when i’m watching it looks like he’s at least trying. And he seems to want to be here, he didn’t participate in boycott and if you watched the video tour of his house he was showing his Raptors, Bucks, and Pistons jersey and he said there isn’t room for more and he plans on staying with the Pistons for awhile. If you don’t want to be here, i don’t want you here, that’s what ticked me off with Tay and Rip most the season, they acted like they were stuck with us and were miserable.
There are plenty of times Charlie and BG have only attempted a couple shots but made them both and Kuester sits them for people that are struggling or in final minutes when we need a 3, he leaves Charlie and BG on the bench (even Daye sometimes) but Rodney is always out there when he has no jumper and wants to take the final shot. 5 seconds left and we’re down by 3, so instead we go for a 2….?
We need a new coach, i’m fine w/ Woodson, or the Cavs last coach (can’t think of his name right now), but if Kuester and Stuckey are both Pistons next season it’s going to be hard for me to watch all of our games again. Because both of those guys decision making skills just boggle my mind and anger me.

]]> By: bball4224 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27856 bball4224 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:32:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27856 i commented this after you're 1st comment (Laser) but for some reason i didn't "reply" so it was @ the bottom   lol i’m one of those Charlie fans tho (and i may or may not have an Iverson jersey… lol) Seriously tho AI was my favorite player and Detroit is my favorite team so i’m still glad i bought the jersey, i just wouldn’t wear it around, probably go on my wall someday w/ my Ben Wallace and John Barry jerseys lol   But yeah I just don't understand why all of our coaches, our GM, most of the fans i see, all love Stuckey so much, my whole family just waits for him to do stupid things when he's in.   If we can get rid of Rip and i wish we'd get rid of Maxiell too, then Charlie and Ben Gordon could get more consistent minutes and hopefully be as good as if not better than they were starting the season when we had two of the top 5 bench scorers. i commented this after you’re 1st comment (Laser) but for some reason i didn’t “reply” so it was @ the bottom
 
lol i’m one of those Charlie fans tho (and i may or may not have an Iverson jersey… lol) Seriously tho AI was my favorite player and Detroit is my favorite team so i’m still glad i bought the jersey, i just wouldn’t wear it around, probably go on my wall someday w/ my Ben Wallace and John Barry jerseys lol
 
But yeah I just don’t understand why all of our coaches, our GM, most of the fans i see, all love Stuckey so much, my whole family just waits for him to do stupid things when he’s in.
 
If we can get rid of Rip and i wish we’d get rid of Maxiell too, then Charlie and Ben Gordon could get more consistent minutes and hopefully be as good as if not better than they were starting the season when we had two of the top 5 bench scorers.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27854 Laser Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:04:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27854 these guys got my response covered adequately, but i'll add this:   1) i never said i'd buy any of these jerseys, just pointed out the ones i could see myself ever wearing. i have money and a body (the two things necessary for buying and wearing a jersey) and i don't own any jerseys at all. i was just musing on the fascinating concept of someone who likes stuckey enough to wear (let alone buy) his jersey.   2) while i appreciate your histrionics, my issue with people who would wear a stuckey jersey isn't that they're vile or disgusting or bad people, just that i don't respect them. my first impression would be that they are casual fans who aren't knowledgeable or discerning. stuckey's the guy the organization has been trying to force down our throats for four seasons, regardless of how hard he's worked to disappoint everyone. he's a "good" player with the physical tools to be "very good," but there's nothing about his persona or body of work that i think is worth that kind of support. there's a certain intimacy, for lack of a better word, in wearing someone's jersey. it represents something.   3) anyone who thinks stuckey is the best player on the team can suck an egg. prince and monroe had better seasons. tracy was better for stretches. but with the kinds of opportunities he's been given over the course of four NBA seasons (consistent minutes with the ball in his hands, an absurdly long leash considering his track record for bad decision-making and stagnancy, surrounding him with players to complement his game, etc.) a critical thinker has no choice but to hold him to a higher standard than average. best player? not by a long shot.   and Hayes: i was never very high on stuckey. early on, it was fun to see him relentlessly attack the basket, but he made a whole mess of rookie mistakes and made them in bunches, so i was skeptical. and by the time those mistakes were less of an issue (and really, he still hasn't shown the consistency in his decision-making to give me any real confidence it's not a problem anymore), his go-to move was so predictable it was no longer very effective. and yet he still goes to it with alarming regularity. so in my estimation there was never really a significant window where it made sense to invest in him financially or emotionally. his peak was when he filled in for chauncey in the '08 finals when he showed some real promise, but buying that jersey at that time is the equivalent of dumars deciding at that time to put all his eggs in stuckey's basket; a bad idea that should leave you feeling burned.   when stuckey first arrived, my sister-in-law had recently gotten into the pistons and loved them and loved to watch games but didn't understand basketball at all. she didn't know the difference between a guard and a forward. she was in love with stuckey based, presumably, on a strong summer league performance (so that should show you how much she knew). she would FLIP when i exhibited skepticism towards the guy, and he eventually became an "off-limits" topic of discussion once he proved himself to be a dud. i equate people with stuckey jerseys with how she was. i basically assume they don't understand basketball and like him for no particular reason other than because they're supposed to. she's more knowledgeable now and more-or-less sees what i do in stuckey, but it took more than three years of him proving nothing. these guys got my response covered adequately, but i’ll add this:
 
1) i never said i’d buy any of these jerseys, just pointed out the ones i could see myself ever wearing. i have money and a body (the two things necessary for buying and wearing a jersey) and i don’t own any jerseys at all. i was just musing on the fascinating concept of someone who likes stuckey enough to wear (let alone buy) his jersey.
 
2) while i appreciate your histrionics, my issue with people who would wear a stuckey jersey isn’t that they’re vile or disgusting or bad people, just that i don’t respect them. my first impression would be that they are casual fans who aren’t knowledgeable or discerning. stuckey’s the guy the organization has been trying to force down our throats for four seasons, regardless of how hard he’s worked to disappoint everyone. he’s a “good” player with the physical tools to be “very good,” but there’s nothing about his persona or body of work that i think is worth that kind of support. there’s a certain intimacy, for lack of a better word, in wearing someone’s jersey. it represents something.
 
3) anyone who thinks stuckey is the best player on the team can suck an egg. prince and monroe had better seasons. tracy was better for stretches. but with the kinds of opportunities he’s been given over the course of four NBA seasons (consistent minutes with the ball in his hands, an absurdly long leash considering his track record for bad decision-making and stagnancy, surrounding him with players to complement his game, etc.) a critical thinker has no choice but to hold him to a higher standard than average. best player? not by a long shot.
 
and Hayes: i was never very high on stuckey. early on, it was fun to see him relentlessly attack the basket, but he made a whole mess of rookie mistakes and made them in bunches, so i was skeptical. and by the time those mistakes were less of an issue (and really, he still hasn’t shown the consistency in his decision-making to give me any real confidence it’s not a problem anymore), his go-to move was so predictable it was no longer very effective. and yet he still goes to it with alarming regularity. so in my estimation there was never really a significant window where it made sense to invest in him financially or emotionally. his peak was when he filled in for chauncey in the ’08 finals when he showed some real promise, but buying that jersey at that time is the equivalent of dumars deciding at that time to put all his eggs in stuckey’s basket; a bad idea that should leave you feeling burned.
 
when stuckey first arrived, my sister-in-law had recently gotten into the pistons and loved them and loved to watch games but didn’t understand basketball at all. she didn’t know the difference between a guard and a forward. she was in love with stuckey based, presumably, on a strong summer league performance (so that should show you how much she knew). she would FLIP when i exhibited skepticism towards the guy, and he eventually became an “off-limits” topic of discussion once he proved himself to be a dud. i equate people with stuckey jerseys with how she was. i basically assume they don’t understand basketball and like him for no particular reason other than because they’re supposed to. she’s more knowledgeable now and more-or-less sees what i do in stuckey, but it took more than three years of him proving nothing.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27845 Patrick Hayes Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:12:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27845 <p>Your Stuckey comments are crazy. He was at best the third best player on the team this season. Prince and Monroe were both better and had much more consistent seasons. Monroe, in particular, because he also had no run-ins with coaches unlike most of his teammates.</p> <p>Stuckey has talent, no one is denying that, but he had another up and down season in an up and down career. He was not their best player.</p> Your Stuckey comments are crazy. He was at best the third best player on the team this season. Prince and Monroe were both better and had much more consistent seasons. Monroe, in particular, because he also had no run-ins with coaches unlike most of his teammates.

Stuckey has talent, no one is denying that, but he had another up and down season in an up and down career. He was not their best player.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27844 Patrick Hayes Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:07:10 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27844 <p>Well, I'm not sure getting back in pace with the East's barely making the playoffs bunch is progress. But I do think they'll at least be more interesting to watch with their young guys in more prominent roles next season.</p> Well, I’m not sure getting back in pace with the East’s barely making the playoffs bunch is progress. But I do think they’ll at least be more interesting to watch with their young guys in more prominent roles next season.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27843 Patrick Hayes Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:06:06 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27843 <p>It's more complicated than that. When he gets minutes and he's scoring, then yes. But there are plenty of times he gets minutes and his shot isn't falling. It's worthless to play him more if he's off shooting the ball b/c he literally does nothing else of value.</p> <p>I agree he's not the reason, but he's certainly not been good for his two seasons in Detroit.</p> It’s more complicated than that. When he gets minutes and he’s scoring, then yes. But there are plenty of times he gets minutes and his shot isn’t falling. It’s worthless to play him more if he’s off shooting the ball b/c he literally does nothing else of value.

I agree he’s not the reason, but he’s certainly not been good for his two seasons in Detroit.

]]> By: bball4224 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27834 bball4224 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 04:43:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27834 Why do people act like Villanueva is the reason we suck? When he gets minutes he contributes. Why do people act like Villanueva is the reason we suck? When he gets minutes he contributes.

]]> By: khandor http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27832 khandor Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:59:28 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27832 Patick, Your summary paragraph is 100% on the money. As you can see from looking at the <a href="http://khandorssportsblog.com/wordpress/2011/04/13/projected-finish-for-2011-2012-eastern-conference-standings-based-on-present-individual-rankings-for-players-and-coaches/">entry on my blog</a> yesterday, the situation moving forward for the Pistons is actually far from bleak, as the Pistons should be right back in contention for a playoff spot in the East next season, based strictly on the talent level of their current set of players. If Joe D. can move Villanueva, make a decent selection in the Draft, and get rid of Kuester this summer, then, Detroit will be only a move or two away from right back in the mix with the New York's, Philadelphia's, and Indiana's. Patick,

Your summary paragraph is 100% on the money. As you can see from looking at the <a href=”http://khandorssportsblog.com/wordpress/2011/04/13/projected-finish-for-2011-2012-eastern-conference-standings-based-on-present-individual-rankings-for-players-and-coaches/”>entry on my blog</a> yesterday, the situation moving forward for the Pistons is actually far from bleak, as the Pistons should be right back in contention for a playoff spot in the East next season, based strictly on the talent level of their current set of players. If Joe D. can move Villanueva, make a decent selection in the Draft, and get rid of Kuester this summer, then, Detroit will be only a move or two away from right back in the mix with the New York’s, Philadelphia’s, and Indiana’s.

]]> By: bball4224 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/04/austin-daye-atones-for-earlier-mistakes-in-pistons-win-over-philadelphia/comment-page-1/#comment-27831 bball4224 Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:35:49 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=5782#comment-27831 A) Prince did more on the court than anyone on the team B) Stuckey was part of the "boycott" too and had other problems.. more than T-Mac by far, all T-Mac did was be listed in boycott also. C) When the ball is always in your hands and you always shoot it your bound to contribute in some way. D) You have a Stuckey jersey and you need to grow up and not be so dramatic A) Prince did more on the court than anyone on the team
B) Stuckey was part of the “boycott” too and had other problems.. more than T-Mac by far, all T-Mac did was be listed in boycott also.
C) When the ball is always in your hands and you always shoot it your bound to contribute in some way.
D) You have a Stuckey jersey and you need to grow up and not be so dramatic

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