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		<title>By: Pistons Roundtable &#124; Pro Hoops Talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pistons Roundtable &#124; Pro Hoops Talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3. Rodney Stuckey’s long-term value and importance [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pemberton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pemberton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s possible Tim. Would I do it? No. Now when I say $10 million a year I mean the average over a multi-year deal, which would likely be backloaded. Stuckey would likely get somewhere between $8-10 million a year under the current CBA, but that&#039;s all subject to change. There might not even be a season next year. If you don&#039;t believe me here is a sample of guys making between $8-11 million. Stuckey would likely fall somewhere in the middle of these guys.

Jamal Crawford - $10 million
Kirk Hinrich - $9
Jason Terry $10 million
Monta Ellis $11 million
Kevin Martin $11 million
TJ Ford $8.5 million
Mo Williams $9.3 million
Corey Magette $9.6 million
John Salmons $8 million
Jose Calderon $9 million
Devin Harris $8.9 million

Ray Allen $10 million
Rajon Rondo $9 million

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s possible Tim. Would I do it? No. Now when I say $10 million a year I mean the average over a multi-year deal, which would likely be backloaded. Stuckey would likely get somewhere between $8-10 million a year under the current CBA, but that&#8217;s all subject to change. There might not even be a season next year. If you don&#8217;t believe me here is a sample of guys making between $8-11 million. Stuckey would likely fall somewhere in the middle of these guys.</p>
<p>Jamal Crawford &#8211; $10 million<br />
Kirk Hinrich &#8211; $9<br />
Jason Terry $10 million<br />
Monta Ellis $11 million<br />
Kevin Martin $11 million<br />
TJ Ford $8.5 million<br />
Mo Williams $9.3 million<br />
Corey Magette $9.6 million<br />
John Salmons $8 million<br />
Jose Calderon $9 million<br />
Devin Harris $8.9 million</p>
<p>Ray Allen $10 million<br />
Rajon Rondo $9 million</p>
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		<title>By: I Just Want You &#8211; AJ Rafael (Original &#8211; Ukulele) - Do Ya Wanna Rock</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Just Want You &#8211; AJ Rafael (Original &#8211; Ukulele) - Do Ya Wanna Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Buying Boat Foreclosures at Auctions &#124; bfree-boating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buying Boat Foreclosures at Auctions &#124; bfree-boating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LeBron couldn&#039;t carry Cleveland?!?!?!?! Are you serious? That&#039;s one of the most erroneous comments I&#039;ve seen on this site. And I have read a lot be detroitpcb!
Sure he never got Cleveland a championship, but that&#039;s pretty meaningless because of it&#039;s being a small sample size. He was in Cleveland 7 years. Let&#039;s discount the first three because while he was really good then, he wasn&#039;t yet the monster that he became later. So that means he had 4 tries at a title. Most years there are around 6 teams with a legit shot at the title. This year those are San Antonio, LA, Chicago, Boston, and Miami for sure and maybe Dallas, OKC, and Orlando as well. So between 5 and 8: I&#039;d call that about 6. Assuming a random one of the 6 annual contenders wins each year, there is a 48% chance of his not ever winning one in that time. That&#039;s a flip of a coin. It could go either way.
LeBron carried Cleveland to incredible heights. Before he showed up, they won 17 games. With him there, they won 35, 42, 50, 50, 45, 66, and 61 games. The first two years when they missed the playoffs, they were in 9th place. Thereafter, they made it every year. They got to the finals once, conference finals once, and conference semis 3 times as well as having the leagues best record in back to back seasons. If that&#039;s not carrying a team, I don&#039;t know what is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeBron couldn&#8217;t carry Cleveland?!?!?!?! Are you serious? That&#8217;s one of the most erroneous comments I&#8217;ve seen on this site. And I have read a lot be detroitpcb!<br />
Sure he never got Cleveland a championship, but that&#8217;s pretty meaningless because of it&#8217;s being a small sample size. He was in Cleveland 7 years. Let&#8217;s discount the first three because while he was really good then, he wasn&#8217;t yet the monster that he became later. So that means he had 4 tries at a title. Most years there are around 6 teams with a legit shot at the title. This year those are San Antonio, LA, Chicago, Boston, and Miami for sure and maybe Dallas, OKC, and Orlando as well. So between 5 and 8: I&#8217;d call that about 6. Assuming a random one of the 6 annual contenders wins each year, there is a 48% chance of his not ever winning one in that time. That&#8217;s a flip of a coin. It could go either way.<br />
LeBron carried Cleveland to incredible heights. Before he showed up, they won 17 games. With him there, they won 35, 42, 50, 50, 45, 66, and 61 games. The first two years when they missed the playoffs, they were in 9th place. Thereafter, they made it every year. They got to the finals once, conference finals once, and conference semis 3 times as well as having the leagues best record in back to back seasons. If that&#8217;s not carrying a team, I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is every player in this league has weaknesses in their game no matter how good they are considered to be. The key as a coach is to be able to mask those weaknesses and play to the strengths of the team. At times I have liked Kuester&#039;s attitude of not bowing down to players, and I loved the benching of Rip (he really needed to be knocked down a peg or three), but Q is really too inflexible to coach this team, and Stuck feels like he&#039;s Stuck in the mud in this slow tempo offense. Q&#039;s style would probably be better suited for a defensive club. My point is that if you can find a coach with an uptempo philosophy yet still harp on defense, it would be a more idea fit for this Detroit team and Stuckey would blossom at the point (or sg if needed). So ultimately the question is not can Stuckey be a great player, but can Joe D. bring in a coach to compliment this team and therefore get the best out of Stuckey&#039;s game. It might be worth pointing out that Ben Gordon, Charlie V., and Rip Hamilton, all great scorers are all having the worst seasons of their careers under Kuester as well and Will Bynum has also been struggling under Q.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is every player in this league has weaknesses in their game no matter how good they are considered to be. The key as a coach is to be able to mask those weaknesses and play to the strengths of the team. At times I have liked Kuester&#8217;s attitude of not bowing down to players, and I loved the benching of Rip (he really needed to be knocked down a peg or three), but Q is really too inflexible to coach this team, and Stuck feels like he&#8217;s Stuck in the mud in this slow tempo offense. Q&#8217;s style would probably be better suited for a defensive club. My point is that if you can find a coach with an uptempo philosophy yet still harp on defense, it would be a more idea fit for this Detroit team and Stuckey would blossom at the point (or sg if needed). So ultimately the question is not can Stuckey be a great player, but can Joe D. bring in a coach to compliment this team and therefore get the best out of Stuckey&#8217;s game. It might be worth pointing out that Ben Gordon, Charlie V., and Rip Hamilton, all great scorers are all having the worst seasons of their careers under Kuester as well and Will Bynum has also been struggling under Q.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lol&#039;d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lol&#8217;d.</p>
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		<title>By: edt</title>
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		<dc:creator>edt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not really because no matter how much the NBA pretends that basketball is ALLSTARS ALLSTARS ALLSTARS at the end of the day basketball is a TEAM GAME.
 
lebron is the best player in the NBA.  And even he couldn&#039;t carry the turd that is cleveland
 
now stuckey is not even to be mentioned in the same breath with lebron.  because stuckey is a really good player and the entire TEAM stinks.
 
Stuckey takes all the blame and that&#039;s just not fair.  He is the best player!  So now everyone says he is the worst cause we lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not really because no matter how much the NBA pretends that basketball is ALLSTARS ALLSTARS ALLSTARS at the end of the day basketball is a TEAM GAME.<br />
 <br />
lebron is the best player in the NBA.  And even he couldn&#8217;t carry the turd that is cleveland<br />
 <br />
now stuckey is not even to be mentioned in the same breath with lebron.  because stuckey is a really good player and the entire TEAM stinks.<br />
 <br />
Stuckey takes all the blame and that&#8217;s just not fair.  He is the best player!  So now everyone says he is the worst cause we lose.</p>
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		<title>By: brgulker</title>
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		<dc:creator>brgulker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;stuckey is the face of the pistons and you are all hating on him because our team stinks.&lt;/strong&gt;
If Stuckey&#039;s the face of the team, and the team sucks, doesn&#039;t that say something about Stuckey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>stuckey is the face of the pistons and you are all hating on him because our team stinks.</strong><br />
If Stuckey&#8217;s the face of the team, and the team sucks, doesn&#8217;t that say something about Stuckey?</p>
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		<title>By: brgulker</title>
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		<dc:creator>brgulker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say it&#039;s:


McGrady
Monroe
Wallace
Prince/Stuckey

In that order. Patrick&#039;s right, though, it&#039;s not just about Stuckey as a player in isolation. It&#039;s about Stuckey as a player in relationship to the franchise, its goals, and its existing financial commitments. You can&#039;t just abstract Stuckey from all that and come up with &quot;Pay him!&quot; Not that simple.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s:</p>
<p>McGrady<br />
Monroe<br />
Wallace<br />
Prince/Stuckey</p>
<p>In that order. Patrick&#8217;s right, though, it&#8217;s not just about Stuckey as a player in isolation. It&#8217;s about Stuckey as a player in relationship to the franchise, its goals, and its existing financial commitments. You can&#8217;t just abstract Stuckey from all that and come up with &#8220;Pay him!&#8221; Not that simple.</p>
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