Comments on: Greg Monroe could learn from Joakim Noah’s overt tenacity http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sun, 19 May 2013 19:45:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Tom Y. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26826 Tom Y. Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:44:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26826 @ Feldman: that's some long reading material there... The second one actually says that Duncan <em>had</em> been very quiet and stoic for his first 4 seasons, and was changing to some degree. So having read them, I'm not at all convinced that my (and most people's) perception of duncan as a quiet leader is wrong. If he changed it to some degree in his 5th year after an embarassing playoff loss to the Lakers, that doesn't mean Monroe should make a change of personality his primary goal for next season. Basically, I think Monroe's personality is just fine, and changing one's personality is not something a person can just do because it seems like it may be a good thing for his team. And I don't really buy the idea that if he became more vocal and emotional it would change his teammates' play. What Monroe needs is mostly to keep improving his skills, especially by getting a reliable mid-range jumper and as MP noted down in the comments, improve his defense some more. And I'm sure he'll do both. For the rest of the team to improve it will take some roster trimming and a different coach. @ Feldman: that’s some long reading material there…
The second one actually says that Duncan had been very quiet and stoic for his first 4 seasons, and was changing to some degree. So having read them, I’m not at all convinced that my (and most people’s) perception of duncan as a quiet leader is wrong. If he changed it to some degree in his 5th year after an embarassing playoff loss to the Lakers, that doesn’t mean Monroe should make a change of personality his primary goal for next season.
Basically, I think Monroe’s personality is just fine, and changing one’s personality is not something a person can just do because it seems like it may be a good thing for his team. And I don’t really buy the idea that if he became more vocal and emotional it would change his teammates’ play.
What Monroe needs is mostly to keep improving his skills, especially by getting a reliable mid-range jumper and as MP noted down in the comments, improve his defense some more. And I’m sure he’ll do both. For the rest of the team to improve it will take some roster trimming and a different coach.

]]> By: Cliff http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26790 Cliff Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:52:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26790 agree to a slight extent... but would rather him learn from c-webb. monroe can easily turn into a left handed c-webb with their fantastic passing and rebounding abilites. all he's missing is a consistent 15 ft jumper and a few post moves... to be honest I don't think he'll ever mold into an emotional player like noah but he might be like rodman as in he might grow into it. after all he's just a rookie. agree to a slight extent… but would rather him learn from c-webb. monroe can easily turn into a left handed c-webb with their fantastic passing and rebounding abilites. all he’s missing is a consistent 15 ft jumper and a few post moves… to be honest I don’t think he’ll ever mold into an emotional player like noah but he might be like rodman as in he might grow into it. after all he’s just a rookie.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26777 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:34:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26777 <p>GTG, ask yourself, when the Pistons got a bunch of technicals, were they better or worse than they are now?</p> GTG, ask yourself, when the Pistons got a bunch of technicals, were they better or worse than they are now?

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26776 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:33:23 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26776 <p>Mike, you don't think Ben Wallace's on-court energy is on full display? He yells and flexes all over the court. That fires up his teammates.</p> <p>Competitive, high-energy environments feed off the people in them. In this regard, it doesn't matter how competitive and energetic Monroe is. If he doesn't outwardly display it, his teammates won't feed off it.</p> <p>Monroe is 20 years old. There's plenty of time for him to grow into a more assertive personality, <em>and </em>it would help his team if he tried. If he fails, no big deal. Doesn't make him a bad player, person or leader. But I can't see an area where realistic improvement wouldn't help his team more.</p> Mike, you don’t think Ben Wallace’s on-court energy is on full display? He yells and flexes all over the court. That fires up his teammates.

Competitive, high-energy environments feed off the people in them. In this regard, it doesn’t matter how competitive and energetic Monroe is. If he doesn’t outwardly display it, his teammates won’t feed off it.

Monroe is 20 years old. There’s plenty of time for him to grow into a more assertive personality, and it would help his team if he tried. If he fails, no big deal. Doesn’t make him a bad player, person or leader. But I can’t see an area where realistic improvement wouldn’t help his team more.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26771 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:28:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26771 <p>Gmehl, nah, the Pistons have been like the Wizard of Oz since Danny Manning played for them.</p> Gmehl, nah, the Pistons have been like the Wizard of Oz since Danny Manning played for them.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26769 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:25:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26769 <p>Black Movies, Duncan is <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3244808" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">probably not as quiet as you think</a>. And when his teammates needed him to get more vocal, <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_18_226/ai_95841572/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">he did</a>. I think Duncan prefers to be more quiet, as he is now. But the Spurs have vocal leaders in Popovich and Ginobili. The Pistons don't. They need someone to set an example that way. When the Spurs needed Duncan to fill that role he did. If Monroe wants to be a high-end leader, he must try to do the same thing.</p> Black Movies, Duncan is probably not as quiet as you think. And when his teammates needed him to get more vocal, he did. I think Duncan prefers to be more quiet, as he is now. But the Spurs have vocal leaders in Popovich and Ginobili. The Pistons don’t. They need someone to set an example that way. When the Spurs needed Duncan to fill that role he did. If Monroe wants to be a high-end leader, he must try to do the same thing.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26767 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:22:51 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26767 <p>Alan, I don't think his personal energy is lacking. The two DNP-CDs he got at the beginning of the season took care of that. But his energy manifests in a way that his teammates won't feed off it.</p> Alan, I don’t think his personal energy is lacking. The two DNP-CDs he got at the beginning of the season took care of that. But his energy manifests in a way that his teammates won’t feed off it.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26765 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:21:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26765 <p>Scout, I didn't see enough of Gasol in Memphis to know whether he's soft. He's definitely not now, though.</p> Scout, I didn’t see enough of Gasol in Memphis to know whether he’s soft. He’s definitely not now, though.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26763 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:20:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26763 <p>Tom, there's a difference between his teammates noticing and his teammates feeding off that energy. I'm sure they notice, but a player like Monroe isn't going to inspire them to play any harder.</p> <p>As far as Duncan, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3244808" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">he's probably not as quiet as you think</a>. And when his teammates needed him to get more vocal, <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_18_226/ai_95841572/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">he did</a>.</p> Tom, there’s a difference between his teammates noticing and his teammates feeding off that energy. I’m sure they notice, but a player like Monroe isn’t going to inspire them to play any harder.

As far as Duncan, he’s probably not as quiet as you think. And when his teammates needed him to get more vocal, he did.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/comment-page-1/#comment-26760 Dan Feldman Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:17:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/03/greg-monroe-could-learn-from-joakim-noahs-overt-tenacity/#comment-26760 <p>Chris, funny that you mention Rodman. When he first came to Detroit, he was shy and quiet. Some guys can grow into it.</p> Chris, funny that you mention Rodman. When he first came to Detroit, he was shy and quiet. Some guys can grow into it.

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