Comments on: Chris Wilcox is playing well, should the Pistons attempt to re-sign him?

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By: Tim Thielke

Tim Thielke — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:50:49 +0000

4 yrs aint bad if its less than $3M each. If you can get a guy at a bargain, always go for multiyear deals. Thats how you end up with beautiful contracts like Thabo Sefolosha’s.

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:09:00 +0000

Because they’re well over the cap this season. Prince/Wilcox exprire, which is only about $13 million, but they still have $48 million roughly committed for next season to Gordon, Hamilton, Villanueva, Maxiell, Daye, Monroe, White, Bynum and Stuckey (if he takes the qualifying offer). There’s also the possibility, rather than taking the qualifying offer, Stuckey could get an extension, which would make his cap number even higher. Figure in a first round pick in the lottery (roughly a $3 million a year salary) and re-signing Jonas Jerebko for, I would guess, at least $4-$5 million, and the Pistons are already in mid $50s million range. This year’s cap is set at $58 million, and the Pistons for next year, if Jerebko is re-signed, are pushing very close to that already. They won’t have money to add a significant free agent unless they move a couple of long-term deals right after the season ends and don’t take any money back in return. It’s a real longshot that they’ll be able to do that.

By: vinny

vinny — Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:36:08 +0000

How do the pistons not have money next year? You have Prince’s $10 mil coming off the books and likely McGrady’s minimum deal. With no significant pay increases for any of the signed players that looks to me like a $10 mil player and a 1st round rookie contract that can be added. What am I missing?

By: Fennis

Fennis — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:21:58 +0000

Actually, I think it’s just the opposite. You’re too spoiled as a fan to have the patience it takes to build a championship contender. It will take a couple years of sub-par basketball to find the right pieces. It’s the formula the Lions have taken. Instead of going out and exciting the fan base with a household name, they methodically build a powerhouse over the course of three or four years. That takes patience. Fans don’t have patience. Their emotions rise and fall with every win and loss. I want the Pistons to be a great team and a great franchise. I don’t want to be the Blazers or the Jazz. I want to be exactly what we are — one of the five or six organizations that have won NBA titles in the past 30 years. You don’t get there by quick fixes. You don’t get there by clogging up your cap with high-priced players who can’t play defense.

If you can show me the equivalent of a Z-Bo on this year’s slate of title contenders (a big man with similar deficiencies who is top-3 on the team in terms of salary) I’ll reconsider my position. You can’t. The big men getting paid big bucks on title contenders are defensive studs. The only possible exception is Nowitski who is a “superstar” and thus an exception (though I’m not convinced Dallas is a contender). The Pistons have to make smart cap decisions for the next two years if they want to regain their status as true contenders.

By: Laser

Laser — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:03:04 +0000

no sense even saying something like “if we could get z-bo for a pack of cigs i’d be down,” because his price tag is built-in. so you’d pass on z-bo. fine. maybe i’m just a little higher on him than you are.

personally, i don’t think we can afford to hold our potential free agents up to such ridiculously high standards before considering them. if zach randolph isn’t “good enough” for you, then we’re going to be awful forever according to your plan. rebuild slowly through the draft over the course of the next decade, adding one piece at a time. nobody wants to come here. detroit wasn’t even a true destination team back when we were GREAT. now we’re terrible and dysfunctional, and joe dumars’s reputation as a GM can’t possibly be very good anymore. nobody wants to come here, and who could blame them?

i happen to think zach randolph could start on a championship level team. particularly if he was paired with an athletic, defensive-minded center. and even if he didn’t start, i could see him being 1/3 of a great frontcourt. maybe that’s just me. but even if he fell short of that, we can’t dismiss him based on that. you gotta draw the line somewhere. look at the money we’ve got tied up in BG, CV, RIP and MAX! compared to that lot, randolph looks like a bargain at even $20 mil.

but my standard isn’t necessarily to either have the greatest player in the league at every position or not bother even trying to be competitive. you gotta compromise at some point, and i think randolph is the right compromise. who else are we going to lure here? i’d rather be reasonably competitive, be the kind of team that on any given night could beat anyone, be fun to watch. i don’t think there’s anything wrong with that as a standard.

i don’t know if you’re just too spoiled as a fan (and i don’t think all detroit fans are) to settle for a very good player with shortcomings, or if you genuinely think he’d further cripple the team and set them back. but if you think no high priced player should come here unless they can carry us to a championship, i think your standards are too high, and that attitude is going to keep the team mediocre more so than one overpriced (but very good) player.

when i think about the future of the team and which pieces we should go forward with, two of the core guys i can’t see a future for are charlie and BG. i’ve got no idea where charlie fits into the equation, and if we had any sense we’d get rid of BG (who should be movable and negates stuckey’s size advantage over opposing PGs because of defensive cross-matching). but i could see randolph fitting in. if we added a starting caliber point guard (who we might be able to fetch with the midlevel exception if we can’t draft one) and shed dead weight like max and charlie and one of our shooting guards, i could get behind this team.

By: Fennis

Fennis — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:52:34 +0000

If we could get Z-Bo for role-player money I’d be down. But this guy will eat up a huge chunk of the cap, and prevent us from obtaining the players we need to get over the top two or three years from now.

By: Fennis

Fennis — Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:50:43 +0000

I generally agree. But I’d reiterate the Z-Bo would be a long term disaster.

“not such a bad skill set if you ask me. we won’t be very athletic up front, but it could be worse. it would be nice to pair monroe with a long, athletic, shot-blocking PF/C who can score in the low post, but those guys just aren’t readily available. personally, i’ll take randolph’s shortcomings for the rebounding and post scoring.”

“it could be worse” is not a rationale that will lead to a championship contender. If you’re a GM you can’t sign guys with the goal of incremental progress from one year to the next. As a fan, I hear you. I don’t want to see this garbage again and Z-Bo would undoubtedly improve the 2011-12 team. But he just isn’t a championship caliber starting big man. And when you start signing sub-championship starters you get stuck in the hell of NBA mediocrity.

By: Laser

Laser — Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:51:42 +0000

yes. the bottom line is that i would be INCREDIBLY careful about handing out ANY contract that extends beyond next year. i’d be DAMN sure the player was a part of the core going forward. as it is, we look to have stuckey, hamilton, gordon, bynum, maxiell, villanueva, daye, jerebko, monroe and possibly wallace under contract (white’s certainly not playing, and the writing’s on the wall for summers). i don’t think we’re very likely to add anybody better than these guys through the draft or free agency, so even though we need to fill out the last few roster spots, it wouldn’t make sense to do so by handing out a long-term contract to someone who stinks. probably wiser to hand out a full midlevel exception for next season than a two-year contract for the same amount of money spread over both years.

there’s no reason this team can’t be on the right track in 2012-2013 if they’re smart. and yet, they’ll almost certainly prolong this rebuilding disaster for a few more years in an effort to be marginally better in the short term.