Comments on: Pistons: The mess that keeps trying http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 22 May 2013 09:22:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21848 Patrick Hayes Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:05:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21848 <p>I would be surprised if Summers shot 38 percent from three in a larger role as Villanueva does. But as you point out, for his cost, the dropoff wouldn't be that precipitous. Although don't assume Summers would hustle. He was known in college for all over the place effort, just like Villanueva has been known for in his career.</p> I would be surprised if Summers shot 38 percent from three in a larger role as Villanueva does. But as you point out, for his cost, the dropoff wouldn’t be that precipitous. Although don’t assume Summers would hustle. He was known in college for all over the place effort, just like Villanueva has been known for in his career.

]]> By: Tim http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21846 Tim Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:00:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21846 Yeah, I've often wondered why Summers gets so marginalized in the Pistons. I mean, I know they have way too many players who play a shade under mediocrity. But Summers could potentially be an asset if he ever played. And isn't that what Joe D is all about? Piling up assets that have the potential to bring something back in trade but that he never actually uses to get something useful back. But if playing Summers could make Daye or Jerebko or someone expendable, it would make it so much easier to move Rip or Gordon or Maxiell. Yeah, I’ve often wondered why Summers gets so marginalized in the Pistons. I mean, I know they have way too many players who play a shade under mediocrity. But Summers could potentially be an asset if he ever played. And isn’t that what Joe D is all about? Piling up assets that have the potential to bring something back in trade but that he never actually uses to get something useful back. But if playing Summers could make Daye or Jerebko or someone expendable, it would make it so much easier to move Rip or Gordon or Maxiell.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21829 Laser Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:53:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21829 1) i don't know how you could possibly have written this article and then finished with the conclusion that the players haven't quit on the coach. what do you need to see them do? sit on the court indian style all at once? they play basketball for a living, and every single one of these guys has a reason to play as well as they can (most are young and have their entire careers ahead of them, some are playing for a new contract, some for personal and/or professional pride, and maybe some to get traded out of town). the coach doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it, and i doubt he does at all. i get the feeling from kuester's praise of greg monroe that he's the one guy who hasn't toned that joker out yet. and he's a rookie, so that doesn't mean much. the fact that daye publicly admits he "could ask more questions" speaks volumes.   2) if this team stays intact when the trade deadline comes, i'm finished with this season and perhaps the next one. you may not care, but this isn't a hollow claim. what we've been looking at these past few years is completely unacceptable, and there isn't a basketball reason in the world to keep this joke going. if tayshaun and t-mac both remain pistons all season, it's certainly because joe dumars personally likes going to work and having them around, which means he isn't doing his job. at the very least, he's clinging to the hope of a playoff berth so he can say we're a playoff team and moving in the right direction, even though it's a virtual guarantee that the team takes a step backwards next year. as impossible as that seems, who are we going to add that's better than tayshaun? he's probably our best player right now. take him away, replace him with nothing, and i don't care if you get jonas back and another good-not-great pick, you're not any better.   3) does it occur to anyone else that dajuan summers would bring a comparable contribution to this team to what charlie gives us? i can't stand watching charlie play 15-ish minutes and score 13-ish points on too many shots while not defending or rebounding enough. they're both okay but streaky shooters, questionable decision makers, and summers probably makes up the skills difference with hustle and energy and noticeably better defense. yet charlie makes ten times more and summers can't crack the rotation. i don't get it. 1) i don’t know how you could possibly have written this article and then finished with the conclusion that the players haven’t quit on the coach. what do you need to see them do? sit on the court indian style all at once? they play basketball for a living, and every single one of these guys has a reason to play as well as they can (most are young and have their entire careers ahead of them, some are playing for a new contract, some for personal and/or professional pride, and maybe some to get traded out of town). the coach doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with it, and i doubt he does at all. i get the feeling from kuester’s praise of greg monroe that he’s the one guy who hasn’t toned that joker out yet. and he’s a rookie, so that doesn’t mean much. the fact that daye publicly admits he “could ask more questions” speaks volumes.
 
2) if this team stays intact when the trade deadline comes, i’m finished with this season and perhaps the next one. you may not care, but this isn’t a hollow claim. what we’ve been looking at these past few years is completely unacceptable, and there isn’t a basketball reason in the world to keep this joke going. if tayshaun and t-mac both remain pistons all season, it’s certainly because joe dumars personally likes going to work and having them around, which means he isn’t doing his job. at the very least, he’s clinging to the hope of a playoff berth so he can say we’re a playoff team and moving in the right direction, even though it’s a virtual guarantee that the team takes a step backwards next year. as impossible as that seems, who are we going to add that’s better than tayshaun? he’s probably our best player right now. take him away, replace him with nothing, and i don’t care if you get jonas back and another good-not-great pick, you’re not any better.
 
3) does it occur to anyone else that dajuan summers would bring a comparable contribution to this team to what charlie gives us? i can’t stand watching charlie play 15-ish minutes and score 13-ish points on too many shots while not defending or rebounding enough. they’re both okay but streaky shooters, questionable decision makers, and summers probably makes up the skills difference with hustle and energy and noticeably better defense. yet charlie makes ten times more and summers can’t crack the rotation. i don’t get it.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21825 Laser Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:38:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21825 you can't possibly be serious. you can’t possibly be serious.

]]> By: Rodman4Life http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21809 Rodman4Life Tue, 15 Feb 2011 03:04:40 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21809 If they don't make some trades, I think it ends up a BIGGER mess.  Let's move somebody, get picks, shed salary, c'mon! If they don’t make some trades, I think it ends up a BIGGER mess.  Let’s move somebody, get picks, shed salary, c’mon!

]]> By: jayg108 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21797 jayg108 Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:06:30 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21797 Very nice title to this piece.  Kinda fits the season, but I don't think it will end in a mess.  No trade rumors lately, so we may see this team intact until the last game. Very nice title to this piece.  Kinda fits the season, but I don’t think it will end in a mess.  No trade rumors lately, so we may see this team intact until the last game.

]]> By: BIG MARV http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21784 BIG MARV Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:39:23 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21784 I agree with you zieram with the whole coaching change but i think the nba will be fine with the cba I dont see a strike coming. But I do disagree with you a little bit with scott skiles I think he's a good rebuilding coach a best, he will send a up-and-coming team to the first rd and thats it but to me I think he's not a "players" coach. Which most of these teams are popular of but you dont see alot of "players coaches" win championships. I think skiles wears his players out in pratice and they are injury plauged by the time they play their games. I thought the bucks would be at least a 5th place team but injuries are kicking their butt. The coach I would like to see here is either Mike Brown (old cavs coach) or Mike Woodson ( old Hawks coach) I think both of these coaches bring the best out of players and they also have a passion that can spread in the locker room and they give them a solid beleif that they can beat any team in the leauge. They are smart and also they coach defense they worked under good coaches like Greg popovich and Larry Brown. I think they (pistons) will go back to the "former nba coach" format that always work. I agree with you zieram with the whole coaching change but i think the nba will be fine with the cba I dont see a strike coming. But I do disagree with you a little bit with scott skiles I think he’s a good rebuilding coach a best, he will send a up-and-coming team to the first rd and thats it but to me I think he’s not a “players” coach. Which most of these teams are popular of but you dont see alot of “players coaches” win championships. I think skiles wears his players out in pratice and they are injury plauged by the time they play their games. I thought the bucks would be at least a 5th place team but injuries are kicking their butt. The coach I would like to see here is either Mike Brown (old cavs coach) or Mike Woodson ( old Hawks coach) I think both of these coaches bring the best out of players and they also have a passion that can spread in the locker room and they give them a solid beleif that they can beat any team in the leauge. They are smart and also they coach defense they worked under good coaches like Greg popovich and Larry Brown. I think they (pistons) will go back to the “former nba coach” format that always work.

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]]> By: TruFan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21780 TruFan Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:37:56 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21780 I think Detroit is a great team.  I think they need commoraderee.  They need more slam dunks.  They need more Rip Hamilton getting tossed out.  They need to become more bonded whether it me a weenie roast at K's pad or a Modern warfare black ops Natzi Zombie tourney.  They need to bond and show that bonding as a unit on the court.  The old guy may not have all the right answers but he could get them more together by more activities together.  Who can get the message to these guys and give them the inspirational lead? The only fault I saw last night was not getting a rotation to rest these guys and not playing Rip. I think Detroit is a great team.  I think they need commoraderee.  They need more slam dunks.  They need more Rip Hamilton getting tossed out.  They need to become more bonded whether it me a weenie roast at K’s pad or a Modern warfare black ops Natzi Zombie tourney.  They need to bond and show that bonding as a unit on the court.  The old guy may not have all the right answers but he could get them more together by more activities together.  Who can get the message to these guys and give them the inspirational lead?

The only fault I saw last night was not getting a rotation to rest these guys and not playing Rip.

]]> By: Zeiram http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/comment-page-1/#comment-21777 Zeiram Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:21:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/pistons-the-mess-that-keeps-trying/#comment-21777 I am sorry but this is a mess. I am not sure Kuester has a future as a NBA coach, the same way I don´t see any future gig for Michael Curry. If the team is finally sold and there is a next season a coaching change has to occur. And it has to be someone who knows the game and is respected. I know sometimes you have to experiment with new coaches and it works out too (Avery Johnson, Lawrence Frank, Scott Brooks, Tom Thibodeau etc.) but this team needs a veteran coach.  Should Scott Skiles get fired this season, bring him in! I am sorry but this is a mess. I am not sure Kuester has a future as a NBA coach, the same way I don´t see any future gig for Michael Curry.
If the team is finally sold and there is a next season a coaching change has to occur. And it has to be someone who knows the game and is respected. I know sometimes you have to experiment with new coaches and it works out too (Avery Johnson, Lawrence Frank, Scott Brooks, Tom Thibodeau etc.) but this team needs a veteran coach.  Should Scott Skiles get fired this season, bring him in!

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