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Pistons acquiring Rasheed Wallace ranks as best trade-deadline deal of last decade

Tom Haberstroh of ESPN ranked the most lopsided trade-deadline deals of the last decade, and the Pistons claimed the top spot (hat tip: Gmehl):

1. Detroit Pistons acquire Rasheed Wallace (2004)

The only deadline deal over the past decade that significantly helped deliver a championship (sincere apologies to Nazr Mohammed, the San Antonio Spursstarting center in 2005-06). The Pistons acquired Wallace, a two-time All-Star at the time, from Atlanta in a three-team deal with Boston for some spare parts and two 2004 first-round picks that ended up yielding Josh Smith andTony Allen.

It’s rare to see a playoff-bound team acquire an All-Star-caliber player at the deadline without relinquishing a key member of its rotation. But the Pistons managed to pull it off, bolstering the core that took down the star-studded Los Angeles Lakers in five games for the title. The Pistons were 34-22 before hauling in Wallace and 20-6 the rest of the way, a .607 to .769 swing in the team’s win percentage.

While Wallace’s averages of 13.7 points and 7.0 rebounds may seem pedestrian, his impact on the defensive end can’t be understated. With Wallace, the Pistons allowed 78.9 points per game in the regular season, a nearly eight-point improvement from their previous mark with Mehmet Okur starting at power forward. In his six seasons in the Motor City, Wallace helped anchor one of the best defenses in NBA history while notching two All-Star campaigns. Not a bad deal, considering journeyman Lindsey Hunter was the biggest name going out the door.

Chris Wilcox trade ideas

A year ago, the Pistons held a decently valuable trade chipKwame Brown. He was a serviceable big man on an affordable, expiring contract. At the time, it was already pretty clear he didn’t fit into the Pistons’ long-term plans, so there wouldn’t have been harm in dealing him.

The Pistons didn’t trade Brown and let him walk in the summer.

This year, they have another player in a similar situation – Chris Wilcox. Will Detroit take advantage this time?

Probably not, but let’s look at options, just in case.

The most obvious trade possibilities for Wilcox would be trading him for a better player who’s signed past this season. Detroit’s trading partner would get salary relief, and the Pistons would get talent. But because Karen Davidson is selling the Pistons, there’s basically no chance she’d approve a deal like that.

But that still leaves two types of teams who might have interest in Wilcox and could make an offer that would appease Davidson and Joe Dumars.

Contenders

Almost every team trying to advance in the playoffs this season could use an extra big man. You can never have enough. Wilcox would provide that without making a team commit to long-term salary.

A few ideas:

Long-term contract clearers

The Pistons could trade Wilcox and Jason Maxiell for a player making less than $8 million (the combined salary of Wilcox and Maxiell) and who’s more valuable than Maxiell, who has three years and $15 million remaining on his contract. If Karen Davidson is confident she can sell the team before next season, she might approve a trade like this. Such a deal would lower Davidson’s costs this year, but if she doesn’t sell the team, raise the payroll for future seasons.

The trading partner would save money after this season, when Wilcox expires.

A few possibilities:

The NBA has changed around Rodney Stuckey, who can’t maintain early momentum against Pacers

Aggression turned into frustration with Rodney Stuckey.

That was the story of his game against the Pacers last night, and it could become the story of his Piston tenure.

With the smaller Darren Collison guarding him, Stuckey attacked early. He scored seven points on 3-of-4 shooting in the first 5:23 of the game.

The Pistons probably envisioned Stuckey doing that a lot. At 6-foot-5 and 205 pounds, he’s almost always bigger than the opponent’s smaller guard. So, the Pistons aggressively promoted Stuckey to the starting lineup three years ago by trading Chauncey Billups to Denver. They haven’t exactly seen that investment yield tremendous returns.

The NBA has change around Stuckey. When Detroit traded Billups, three starting point guards who are no longer starting point guards were 6-foot-3 or shorter and weighed 175 or fewer pounds.* Since, only two players have joined the list – Devin Harris and Collison. And judging by just height and weight doesn’t begin to explain how much stronger and agile point guards have become in the last three years. Unfortunately, we don’t have access to player’s weightlifting stats, but the change can easily be seen by watching the league.

*Rafer Alston (Rockets), Steve Blake (Trail Blazers) and T.J. Ford  (Pacers)

Tonight, Stuckey had the rare favorable matchup, and he impressed early.

But after doing enough for the Pistons to believe he’d make a big impact, he sputtered. He wasn’t terrible by any means, but the flashes of taking over disappeared. By this point, the analogy between Stuckey’s game tonight and his Pistons career should be hitting you in the head.

Frustrating? Indeed.

Stuckey clearly felt it, too, midway through the second quarter. By that point, the 10-8 lead the Pistons built behind Stuckey’s scorching start had vanished. The Pacers led by 15. Tyler Hansbrough (21 points and 12 rebounds) and Jeff Foster (seven rebounds) were dominating. Charlie Villanueva was a few hours from retweeting a negative message about John Kuester. And I’m pretty sure Joe Dumars was talking to Richard Hamilton about another contract extension. Everything was falling apart.

So, when Jeff Foster fouled Stuckey, Stuckey lost it. He started barking at Foster and Hansbrough and picked up a technical. I don’t know what his issue was, but he looked upset with how the game was unfolding more than anything else.

I’d like to say that prompted the Pistons’ comeback – and they did crawl back before losing, 102-101 – but the incident didn’t appear to inject any life into the team. Instead, they slowly and surely climbed back with quiet excellence from Greg Monroe (27 points and 12 rebounds), offensive execution from Tracy McGrady (16 points and 12 assists), strong defense from Ben Wallace (10 rebounds, two steals, a block and a team best plus-10), exciting energy from Will Bynum (nine points in 13 minutes, including two 3-pointers in less than a minute in the late third quarter/early fourth quarter) and a big jump shot from Austin Daye that gave Detroit the lead with 11 seconds left.

Stuckey didn’t have much to do with the comeback, but he mustered one final burst of aggression. With the Pistons’ down one their final possession, Stuckey drove to the basket.

He lost the ball and it slipped out bounds.

If Greg Monroe dominates in a forest, does he make a sound?

When Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press tweeted, “20-10 night for Monroe,” I figured Monroe had a chance, so I checked the box score.

It wasn’t a prediction. It was a statement.

With 5:41 remaining in the third quarter, Monroe had 20 points and 10 rebounds!

I had barely noticed his play to that point. I love how routine Monroe’s excellence has become.

Monroe finished with 27 points and 12 rebounds in 32:06. There have been 92 27-point, 12-rebound games this season. Just three times did someone accomplish his 27-12 game while playing fewer minutes.

Monroe also notched a double-double against Houston with little time on the court.

Maybe the Pistons should play him more.

Tayshaun Prince injures back

Tayshaun Prince left the game late in the first quarter with a sore sacroiliac joint and didn’t return.

He missed all three of his shots and both his free throws and didn’t register any other stats in nine minutes. Combined with his dismal performance against the Rockets, here’s how Prince has performed since saying winning the number of games likely  necessary for the Pistons to make the playoffs was “pretty much impossible:“

  • Minutes: 39
  • Points: 1
  • Shooting: 0-for-12
  • Free throws: 1-for-3
  • Rebounds: 1
  • Assists: 3

If you wanted to argue that Prince has given up on the season, the blind numbers would support you.

I don’t think that’s the case – Shane Battier’s defense, injury troubles and bad luck have been the key factors – but if I were the Pistons, I’d want to be certain before keeping him past the trade deadline.

Although, I have no idea how much the severity of a sacroiliac joint injury can vary, Minnesota Twins catcher Joe Mauer might provide an example for how much time Prince will miss. In 2009, he suffered an sacroiliac joint injury. Doctors diagnosed the injury on March 11, although Mauer had been in pain before that. He returned to the Twins on May 1.

Regardless of why Prince struggled his last two games, potential trade partners might back off now.

More disharmony

Add Chris Wilcox to the list of players who have publicly argued with John Kuester. Vince Ellis:

Wilcox and Q barking at each other over the last pick-and-roll miscue. #teamturmoil. #Pistons.

On the scale of this year’s problem, this hardly makes a blip.

Mavericks still want to trade for Tayshaun Prince, but Pistons have rejected all offers

Marc Stein of ESPN said the Mavericks will continue to pursue Tayshaun Prince until the trade deadline:

The Pistons, though, have rebuffed every trade inquiry from Dallas — and every other team — for Prince. You can’t outright dismiss a last-minute change of heart with anyone this week after Utah stunned the league by dealing Deron Williams on Wednesday morning, but Prince himself sounds as pessimistic as anyone that the up-for-sale Pistons would suddenly consent to move him on deadline day when they’ve held out this long.

After poor outing, Charlie Villanueva retweets message critical of John Kuester

After tonight’s loss to the Pacers, @stickradio tweeted:

@CV31 I ride or die for the Stones. But Q doesn’t put u guys in the best position to win. Sad too. Talent is there

Charlie Villanueva retweeted the message.

As Brian Packey of Detroit Bad Boys pointed out, Villanueva has done this before.

I understand why he’s upset. He played just three minutes, none in the second half.

But that’s not John Kuester’s fault.

In his three minutes, Villanueva missed both his shots, grabbed a rebound, committed a foul, turned the ball over and did nothing to stop Tyler Hansbrough from going wild. He deserved to have Jason Maxiell take his second-half minutes.

This reminds me of something Joe Dumars said this summer:

KEITH LANGLOIS: I asked at your postseason press conference what you could do in your position to influence toughness. The coaches are in charge of making it a daily point of emphasis, but what you could do. And you said communication, making sure everyone was on the same page. And when I asked if that process had started, you said – immediately. Can you give us a sense of what type of response this communication has gotten.

JOE DUMARS: First of all, it’s been made crystal clear that if you’re not one of those guys that is exhibiting that, that it would be in your interest to start doing so immediately. So I think, first and foremost, that’s the point that’s been made. And if you don’t think that you can exhibit that, if you don’t think you can play that brand of basketball, there’s no sin in raising your hand and letting me know that I can’t play that kind of basketball. Because one way or another, it’s going to come to an end anyway. If you don’t want to go through the aggravation of an organization that’s saying that you have to play a tough brand of basketball, a winning brand of basketball – if you don’t want to go through that aggravation – it’s no sin to have your agent call me and let me know that my guy can’t play like that.

I’d think that applies to meeting the Pistons’ off-the-court expectations, too. I appreciate that Villanueva or his agent hasn’t told Dumars that Villanueva can’t keep up (at least as far as I know). Villanueva seems like a proud guy who always believes he can fix his shortcomings and often takes steps to do that. I applaud him for that.

But at what point does Dumars step in? There are just too many signs Villanueva will never figure it out.

If Dumars can trade Villanueva – and with three years and $24.18 million left on the forward’s contract, I’m not sure that’s possible – he should.

‘Twas the night before the trade deadline, when all through the (Conseco Field-) house, the Pistons play the Pacers

Essentials

Teams: Detroit Pistons at Indiana Pacers

Date: Feb. 23, 2011

Time: 7 p.m.

Television: Fox Sports Detroit

Records

Pistons: 21-37

Pacers: 25-30

Probable starters

Pistons:

Pacers:

  • Darren Collison
  • Mike Dunleavy
  • Danny Granger
  • Josh McRoberts
  • Roy Hibbert

Las Vegas projection

Spread: Pistons +8

Over/under: 204

Score: Pacers win, 106-98

Three things to watch

1.  Pistons’ trade chips

The Pistons have plenty of players who would make sense in a deal as we approach tomorrow’s trade deadline – primarily Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Chris Wilcox. The Pistons are unlikely to make a trade, but just in case, it wouldn’t hurt for those three to play well tonight, or in Hamilton’s case, play.

2. Building blocks

As we move past the trade deadline and the playoffs drift out of reach, our coverage will shift toward evaluating the players who are part of the Pistons’ future. Greg Monroe excelled last night. Austin Daye didn’t. How will they play tonight, and what will it mean for next year’s Pistons?

3. Tayshaun Prince’s attitude

Tayshaun Prince shot 0-for-9 last night after saying it would be “pretty much impossible” for the Pistons to win the requisite number of games to make the playoffs. Like Patrick, I think that had more to do with Shane Battier’s defense than a lack of effort or focus. But last night should serve as a red flag.

The Pacers don’t have anyone who can guard him well. So, if Prince clearly sulks tonight, Joe Dumars might have to look harder at trading Prince.

Pregame Reading

Win tickets for Saturday’s Detroit Pistons-Utah Jazz game from StubHub!

Thanks to StubHub! for providing four tickets in Club 125, Row Q for Saturday’s Pistons-Jazz game. Per usual, we’ll give away the tickets by trivia.

At this very moment (hint, hint), 20 NBA players have a career scoring average of at least 20 points per game and have played for only one NBA team. Name them.

To be eligible:

1. Send your answers to PistonPoweredContests@gmail.com (one e-mail per entrant).

2. Order your answer alphabetically by last name, and number them. Put one player on each line.

3. Follow PistonPowered on Twitter (and include your Twitter in your e-mail, so I can verify).

Each correct answer earns you an entry in the lottery for the tickets (limit: 20 answers per person), so feel free to answer, even if you can’t name all 20 players.

I’m going to split the tickets into groups of two, but the same person could win both sets.

Greg Monroe wasted no time posting double-double against Rockets last night

Greg Monroe scored 12 points and grabbed 12 rebounds in the Pistons’ loss to the Rockets last night. Hopefully, he performance signaled a return to form for Monroe, who, after posting double-doubles in seven of 18 games between Jan. 4 and Feb. 8, hadn’t had a double-double in two weeks and averaged just 8.6 points and 4.8 rebounds in his last five games before the All-Star break.

There’s reason to believe the rookie center is back on track. Monroe’s double-double came in just 27:28, the fewest minutes he’s played in a double-double game this season.

For the record, Monroe accomplished his double-double in the 104th-fewest minutes of anyone posting a double-double this season.

Trade Idea: Taking on smaller bad contracts to move Rip Hamilton

This is trade-deadline week, so each day PistonPowered will bring you a trade-idea post. We’ll try to keep some parameters in mind — a realistic idea of the value of Pistons’ players to other teams, cost and the fact that the Pistons most likely can’t add short or long term salary with the team’s sale pending — and we fully encourage you to present your ideas in the comments.

Trade

Pistons trade:

Pistons receive:

  • Vince Carter
  • Hakim Warrick
  • Gani Lawal

Mavericks trade:

  • Caron Butler

Mavericks receive:

Suns trade:

  • Vince Carter
  • Hakim Warrick
  • Gani Lawal

Suns receive:

Salaries

Data from ShamSports.com

Pistons trade:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Richard Hamilton $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $0
Tayshaun Prince $11,148,760 $0 $0 $0
Tracy McGrady $854,389 $0 $0 $0
Total $24,503,149 $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $0

Pistons receive:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Vince Carter
$17,522,375 $18,300,000 $0 $0
Hakim Warrick $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000
Gani Lawal
$473,604 $788,872 $0 $0
Total $22,245,979 $23,338,872 $4,250,000 $4,250,000

Mavericks trade:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Caron Butler $10,561,960 $0 $0 $0
Total $21,769,246 $7,725,932 $8,396,364 $9,066,796

Mavericks receive:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Richard Hamilton $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $0
Tracy McGrady $854,389 $0 $0 $0
Total $26,648,760 $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $0

Suns trade:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Vince Carter
$17,522,375 $18,300,000 $0 $0
Hakim Warrick $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000 $4,250,000
Gani Lawal
$473,604 $788,872 $0 $0
Total $22,245,979 $23,338,872 $4,250,000 $4,250,000

Suns receive:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Tayshaun Prince $11,148,760 $0 $0 $0
Caron Butler $10,561,960 $0 $0 $0
Total $21,710,720 $0 $0 $0
  • Early-termination option
  • Partially guaranteed

Pistons’ perspective

The best way to be rid of Hamilton’s contract is to accept a bad contract in return, but by including Prince and McGrady and their expiring deals in a bigger trade, the Pistons might be able to come up with a trade like this one that nets them a bad contract that is smaller, thus easier to move, than Hamilton’s.

I just picked Warrick randomly. The Suns have several players signed long-term at that salary range that could be plugged in — Channing Frye, Jared Dudley, Josh Childress to name a few. The Pistons win by getting Carter’s contract, which isn’t fully guaranteed next year, so the Pistons would save quite a bit in the long run by getting out of Hamilton’s deal. Plus they pick up a player I like a lot in Lawal.

Suns’ perspective

What the Suns get is quite obvious — immediate financial relief. They don’t have to pay Carter’s buyout because they get two deals in Prince and Butler who expire after this season. Plus, they’re the only team that may have more of a glut of price, one-dimensional wing players than the Pistons, so moving one of them is a bonus for the ones who remain on the roster past this season.

Mavericks perspective

The Mavs have higher hopes than Hamilton, namely Devin Harris. But if they fail to get the sought after Harris? Getting Hamilton and McGrady while only giving up the injured Butler would be a nice consolation prize.

Shane Battier’s defense befuddles Tayshaun Prince in Pistons loss to Rockets

Do I detect a blown lead? Do I hear people taking shots at Will Bynum even when he shoots 65 percent, scores 21 points with 6 assists and zero turnovers? Do I see a frontcourt player obliterating his season averages against the Pistons frontline?

The All-Star break must be over. And since it’s been a few days since we’ve had a game to talk about, excuse me while I go into greater detail than usual for this one.

Prince making good on his prediction?

No one likes to make a prediction and look bad. Trust me, if I had the chance, I’d gladly like to scrub some of my own from the internet. But Tayshaun Prince is actually in a position to back his prediction, the one where he basically said the Pistons wouldn’t make the playoffs, up. And he got a good start, shooting 0-for-9 and scoring 1 point vs. Houston.

In reality, as listless as Prince looked on occasion, his poor night had everything to do with Shane Battier. Battier knew everything Prince was going to do before he did it. The performance was interesting to me because, as a veteran role player noted for his defense and who has an expiring contract, Battier is basically a competitor to Prince on the trade market. With this lockdown performance, Battier let contending teams know that if they’d like a stopper as a rental, and they are deciding between he and Prince, one of those two players is clearly a little better than the other at that end of the court.

Career night for Patrick Patterson

I’ve lost count of the number of nondescript bigs who have had career nights vs. Detroit over the last two seasons, but add Patrick Patterson to the list. Patterson was a player I liked a lot coming out of Kentucky, but he’s only averaged 4.3 points per game for Houston and had only reached double figures four times before scoring 20 off the bench against Detroit.

The sad part is, the Pistons starting frontcourt of Ben Wallace and Greg Monroe actually frustrated a pretty good big man. Luis Scola, who scored 35 points the last time the Pistons played, shot just 4-for-15 Tuesday as Wallace and Monroe both moved their feet well and both had a hand in Scola’s face all night. Ordinarily, holding a key big to such a poor shooting night should be a recipe for success for Detroit, but with the second unit allowing Patterson to knock down open shots all night, the advantage they gained with Scola’s off night was wasted.

Speaking of defense …

Rodney Stuckey did a nice job with Kevin Martin. Martin, like Scola, has had some good moments against the Pistons in his career. With Stuckey playing him physically, using his quickness to chase Martin around and his strength to fight over top of screens, Martin only shot 4-for-12. To hold a team’s two leading scorers to 8-for-27 shooting and lose has to be a pretty rare feat.

When your three best shooters are all 6-foot-3 or shorter, what do you do?

Stuckey, Ben Gordon and Bynum all shot the ball exceptionally well against the Rockets. But can you play all three of them at the same time? Going ultra small for a long stretch was not something John Kuester cared to experiment with until the final stages of the game when the Pistons had already blown a lead, instead using the ineffective Austin Daye or the aforementioned ineffective to the max Prince. It basically meant that at all times, one of the only three (with apologies to Monroe, who doesn’t create his own shots) effective offensive players the Pistons had on the night was on the bench. It’s an issue that likely won’t go away for the Pistons, unless Kuester suddenly takes a more innovative approach and goes with weird lineups on occasion if guys are clearly having good nights.

What to do with Bynum?

DetroitPCB wrote this in the comments:

I will not be watching anymore of Will Bynum pulling the Pistons close with great play and then blowing the game with poor decision making. Not only is it so hard to watch, it is totally predictable. Between Bynum and Gordon and Stuckey, you just know somebody is going to make an absolutely boneheaded play.

Now, to be clear, I disagree for reasons I’ve listed before. But a common complaint about Bynum is that he calls his own number too often late in games. Bynum plays the way he plays because he’s been unfairly yanked in and out of the rotation during his career. He plays every second he’s on the court as if he might not play again for three weeks because, frankly, that’s how he’s been treated as a Piston. There’s a simple fix to this: give him a role and don’t take it from him. It’s an easy conversation:

“Will, you’re our backup point guard. If you’re shooting 54 percent, as you have been this entire month, we certainly want you to look to score. But what’s going to keep you on the floor is running the offense, finding teammates and playing unselfishly. We don’t want you to look over your shoulder. Don’t fret the mistakes, you’ll get the opportunity to play through them. You don’t have to score 20 points a game to have a role here. Be comfortable, play freely. We love your heart and how hard you play. Keep it up.”

That simple. Bynum has had to fight for every inch in the NBA. He’s been all over the world trying to turn himself into a NBA player. His constant fear is that he won’t get the proper chance to show his game off, and that translates to his on-court demeanor — he plays as if this is his shot to prove to everyone watching he belongs. The Pistons really haven’t done a good job showing him that he’s a valuable piece to this team, and consequently, he still sometimes plays like a guy on a 10-day contract fighting for a roster spot. What the Pistons need from him is to slow down a tad and, hopefully, have some of his style and enthusiasm rub off on some of his less enthusiastic teammates.

And sorry PCB, it’s patently ridiculous to criticize a guy who just had 21 points, six assists, 0 turnovers and shot 60 percent. Even if Bynum made a bad play or two, guys like Prince or Daye who gave absolutely nothing had a lot more two do with the Pistons losing than anything Bynum did.