Comments on: Joe Dumars let the Pistons’ intra-team bickering go too far – and now he can’t keep John Kuester/ can’t fire John Kuester http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 18 May 2013 09:53:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: » Blog Archive » Les joueurs des Pistons s’insurgent contre leur coach http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-24142 » Blog Archive » Les joueurs des Pistons s’insurgent contre leur coach Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:31:06 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-24142 [...] américains qui manquent cruellement d’informations – et même si le Président de Détroit se tient à l’écart et essaye derrière les regards du public de trouver un repreneur pour cette franchise en [...] [...] américains qui manquent cruellement d’informations – et même si le Président de Détroit se tient à l’écart et essaye derrière les regards du public de trouver un repreneur pour cette franchise en [...]

]]> By: Dreister Millionärs-Streik bei den Detroit Pistons | FIVE Basketball-Magazin - NBA Blog http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23668 Dreister Millionärs-Streik bei den Detroit Pistons | FIVE Basketball-Magazin - NBA Blog Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:02:11 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23668 [...] schon den Kollegen vor Ort schwer genug – auch wenn klar ist, dass sich Präsident Joe Dumars fein aus allem raushält und versucht, endlich einen Käufer für die marode Franchise zu finden.  Aber ich verlange auch [...] [...] schon den Kollegen vor Ort schwer genug – auch wenn klar ist, dass sich Präsident Joe Dumars fein aus allem raushält und versucht, endlich einen Käufer für die marode Franchise zu finden.  Aber ich verlange auch [...]

]]> By: steve http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23554 steve Sat, 26 Feb 2011 02:20:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23554 I don't know who a good option would be. Maybe Joe? For the rest of the season? There has to be some kind of change. And I think it needs to start with the coach. The player have skill (Only offensive) but they have skill. I wish there was an immediate fix, but there isn't. Hell, we're all amazing coaches and we know exactly what is bes tfor the team, why don't we all just take one game for the rest of the season? I'll even do it for free. I don’t know who a good option would be. Maybe Joe? For the rest of the season?
There has to be some kind of change. And I think it needs to start with the coach. The player have skill (Only offensive) but they have skill.
I wish there was an immediate fix, but there isn’t.
Hell, we’re all amazing coaches and we know exactly what is bes tfor the team, why don’t we all just take one game for the rest of the season? I’ll even do it for free.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23550 Patrick Hayes Sat, 26 Feb 2011 01:21:44 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23550 <p>Lee Scruggs! Been a long time since you trolled here my friend!</p> <p>Your point that it is a players' league is an obvious one. Couple questions though:</p> <p>- There were several points the last year when Kuester had clearly lost the locker room and Dumars obviously didn't make a move. So at some point, since Dumars hasn't felt there is cause to get rid of the guy apparently, shouldn't he step in and tell the players, "Sorry guys. This guy is gonna be here whether you like it or not."</p> <p>- And yes, players league, blah blah blah. Clashes between coaches and players are fairly routine. In fact, players have pretty regularly helped get coaches fired. But name me an instance where up to seven players have openly refused to practice? There's a line that players (other than Sprewell) know not to cross, even if they hate their coach. The Pistons players obviously crossed a line. Are you saying there should be no organizational repercussions for that? Just fire the coach because they are demanding you do it? That's just not a smart way to run a business.</p> Lee Scruggs! Been a long time since you trolled here my friend!

Your point that it is a players’ league is an obvious one. Couple questions though:

- There were several points the last year when Kuester had clearly lost the locker room and Dumars obviously didn’t make a move. So at some point, since Dumars hasn’t felt there is cause to get rid of the guy apparently, shouldn’t he step in and tell the players, “Sorry guys. This guy is gonna be here whether you like it or not.”

- And yes, players league, blah blah blah. Clashes between coaches and players are fairly routine. In fact, players have pretty regularly helped get coaches fired. But name me an instance where up to seven players have openly refused to practice? There’s a line that players (other than Sprewell) know not to cross, even if they hate their coach. The Pistons players obviously crossed a line. Are you saying there should be no organizational repercussions for that? Just fire the coach because they are demanding you do it? That’s just not a smart way to run a business.

]]> By: Chapman L. DeGearsone http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23548 Chapman L. DeGearsone Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:36:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23548 If Detroit fires Kuester, who do you think is a good option? If Detroit fires Kuester, who do you think is a good option?

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23544 gmehl1977 Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:29:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23544 All i can say is that no matter who is wrong (Kuester or players) i am embarrassed to be a piston fan today. Through all the losses and bad times i have never been embarrassed like i am today. All i can say is that no matter who is wrong (Kuester or players) i am embarrassed to be a piston fan today. Through all the losses and bad times i have never been embarrassed like i am today.

]]> By: steve http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23541 steve Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:26:35 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23541 This is extremely unprofessional and it sucks for Q... but I really think this needed to happen. Q really isn't a very good coach. How many times does he sit a Hot player... almost every game. Not for 2 minutes to catch their breath, but for 10-15 minutes. The Pistons can't finish games, and yes some of the blame lies on the players, but Q is one of  the worst coaches I have ever seen in the final quarter of the game. The Pistons are rebuilding and they need to take a step in a different direction and I think it needs to start court side. I'm not trying to say this will solve all the problems, but it's a step in the right direction. Q and players bump heads too often. This is extremely unprofessional and it sucks for Q… but I really think this needed to happen. Q really isn’t a very good coach. How many times does he sit a Hot player… almost every game. Not for 2 minutes to catch their breath, but for 10-15 minutes. The Pistons can’t finish games, and yes some of the blame lies on the players, but Q is one of  the worst coaches I have ever seen in the final quarter of the game. The Pistons are rebuilding and they need to take a step in a different direction and I think it needs to start court side. I’m not trying to say this will solve all the problems, but it’s a step in the right direction. Q and players bump heads too often.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23534 Dan Feldman Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:41:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23534 <p>This wouldn't have happened under great coaches? Great coaches like Larry Brown?</p> This wouldn’t have happened under great coaches? Great coaches like Larry Brown?

]]> By: BIG MARV http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23533 BIG MARV Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:40:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23533 Joe has to speak from the gut he dont need to be thinking about what the players will do if kuester get fired or what kuester and the players will do if he stays. He has to have a staff and player metting, air everything out even if it comes down to yelling and cursing. Then at the end of the meeting joe should tell them he will make a decision on the ongoing future of this year after the weekend. He has to put the fear of JOE DUMARS in the players its time to go old school somebody has to go period! and I mean within the next 72 hrs. Joe has to speak from the gut he dont need to be thinking about what the players will do if kuester get fired or what kuester and the players will do if he stays. He has to have a staff and player metting, air everything out even if it comes down to yelling and cursing. Then at the end of the meeting joe should tell them he will make a decision on the ongoing future of this year after the weekend. He has to put the fear of JOE DUMARS in the players its time to go old school somebody has to go period! and I mean within the next 72 hrs.

]]> By: Lee Scruggs http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-pistons-intra-team-bickering-go-too-far-and-now-he-cant-keep-john-kuester-cant-fire-john-kuester/comment-page-1/#comment-23527 Lee Scruggs Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:23:52 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/joe-dumars-let-the-detroit-pistons-intra-team-bickering-get-out-of-hand-and-now-he-cant-keep-coach-john-kuester-and-now-he-cant-fire-coach-john-kuester/#comment-23527 This is a silly post and a sillier heading. First of all, every coach knows that it is a players league and they are paid millions of dollars, in significant part, to manage relationships between egotistical 20-something millionaires, themselves and each other. I don't care where you coach, that's the job. Joe has faults in the Piston's current problems but this issue isn't one of them. Coaches around the league know how GM's work, especially Joe because he has been there so long. Kuester knew exactly what he was getting in to in terms of how Joe handles things. He didn't know that the owner would die while failing have a proper succession plan and send the organization into turmoil. Joe didn't know that either but has to deal with it. Joe's job is to keep the outside influences from affecting the team--at which he has done an eh! job (drafts and acquisitions were okay). Kuester's job is to manage the team under any number of scenarios. He has failed. So it is time for him to go. This would not have happened under Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson (as it didn't with Kobe), Greg Popovich, George Karl (as it didn't with Melo/Kroenke etc.), etc. So, to say now that Joe should intervene? Okay, after he fires Kuester, lays down the law and introduces the new coach. This is a silly post and a sillier heading. First of all, every coach knows that it is a players league and they are paid millions of dollars, in significant part, to manage relationships between egotistical 20-something millionaires, themselves and each other. I don’t care where you coach, that’s the job.
Joe has faults in the Piston’s current problems but this issue isn’t one of them. Coaches around the league know how GM’s work, especially Joe because he has been there so long. Kuester knew exactly what he was getting in to in terms of how Joe handles things. He didn’t know that the owner would die while failing have a proper succession plan and send the organization into turmoil. Joe didn’t know that either but has to deal with it.
Joe’s job is to keep the outside influences from affecting the team–at which he has done an eh! job (drafts and acquisitions were okay). Kuester’s job is to manage the team under any number of scenarios. He has failed. So it is time for him to go. This would not have happened under Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson (as it didn’t with Kobe), Greg Popovich, George Karl (as it didn’t with Melo/Kroenke etc.), etc.
So, to say now that Joe should intervene? Okay, after he fires Kuester, lays down the law and introduces the new coach.

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