Comments on: Greater four All-Stars: Pistons or Celtics? http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sun, 19 May 2013 00:43:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Kamal http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22926 Kamal Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:02:40 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22926 I forgot about TMac and Vince Carter.  They had better careers than Rip as well. I forgot about TMac and Vince Carter.  They had better careers than Rip as well.

]]> By: MrHappyMushroom http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22925 MrHappyMushroom Mon, 21 Feb 2011 06:38:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22925 As much as I loved those teams, I don't see any of them as HoF members.  Perhaps one or two as sort of "representing the others", at most... Hamilton was a good scorer for a long time.  But he's never been elite.  Prince has been a very good all-around player, but would you ever call him one of the Top 5 small forwards in the game?  If not and he were voted in, the ranks of the Hall would swell. Chauncey...maybe.  I'm not quite sure that he has the stats or the championship pedegree.  But it does look increasingly like he just makes people around him better.  One more trade and a fabulous season that leads a new team to new heights and I could see it. Ben...you know, if Rodman gets in, Ben could as well.  Ben as a major offensive liability, however, will hamper him.  And while Ben has been  a great rebounder, Rodman is probably one of the handful of all-time greats.  Ben is pretty unique; Rodman was unlike any other player to play the game. 'Sheed?  Give me a break.  "A unique talent".  "If he put his mind to it, he could be one of the greatest players in the game."  But he didn't.  He helped to poison the Trailblazers.  He was the difference in "04, as he loved his role.  But then he gave up on the team in later playoff rounds, didn't try hard for his last year in Detroit, and effed around in Boston for a year, playing way out of shape.  His career stats aren't remarkable.  And by no means did he always make his team better.  Based on what people have always said about 'Sheed's potential and skillset, it's hard to argue that he didn't somewhat underachieve in his career.  I can't see that being hall worthy. As much as I loved those teams, I don’t see any of them as HoF members.  Perhaps one or two as sort of “representing the others”, at most…
Hamilton was a good scorer for a long time.  But he’s never been elite.  Prince has been a very good all-around player, but would you ever call him one of the Top 5 small forwards in the game?  If not and he were voted in, the ranks of the Hall would swell.
Chauncey…maybe.  I’m not quite sure that he has the stats or the championship pedegree.  But it does look increasingly like he just makes people around him better.  One more trade and a fabulous season that leads a new team to new heights and I could see it.
Ben…you know, if Rodman gets in, Ben could as well.  Ben as a major offensive liability, however, will hamper him.  And while Ben has been  a great rebounder, Rodman is probably one of the handful of all-time greats.  Ben is pretty unique; Rodman was unlike any other player to play the game.
‘Sheed?  Give me a break.  “A unique talent”.  “If he put his mind to it, he could be one of the greatest players in the game.”  But he didn’t.  He helped to poison the Trailblazers.  He was the difference in “04, as he loved his role.  But then he gave up on the team in later playoff rounds, didn’t try hard for his last year in Detroit, and effed around in Boston for a year, playing way out of shape.  His career stats aren’t remarkable.  And by no means did he always make his team better.  Based on what people have always said about ‘Sheed’s potential and skillset, it’s hard to argue that he didn’t somewhat underachieve in his career.  I can’t see that being hall worthy.

]]> By: Kamal http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22922 Kamal Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:25:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22922 Damn, Patrick.  You're saying that there were 10 shooting guards better than Rip when he was in his prime?  I don't believe that.  Hell, I don't believe that there's been 10 shooting guards that have had better careers than Rip since he's been in the league. Kobe Allen Iverson Wade Joe Johnson After that, it's pretty debatable.  Guys like Stackhouse, Redd, Finley, didn't have the career Rip had and guys like Roy haven't played long enough. Damn, Patrick.  You’re saying that there were 10 shooting guards better than Rip when he was in his prime?  I don’t believe that.  Hell, I don’t believe that there’s been 10 shooting guards that have had better careers than Rip since he’s been in the league.

Kobe
Allen
Iverson
Wade
Joe Johnson

After that, it’s pretty debatable.  Guys like Stackhouse, Redd, Finley, didn’t have the career Rip had and guys like Roy haven’t played long enough.

]]> By: jgk281 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22921 jgk281 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:07:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22921 I just looked it up and Laetner IS a member of the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame. He was inducted this past summer as a member of the 1992 Dream Team. <a href="http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/christian_laettners_hall_of_fa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/christian_laettners_hall_of_fa.html</a> Does that mean we can start referring to Tay as "Future HOF'er" Tayshaun Prince? lol I bet Chauncey's been kicking himself about pulling out of that team. That would've guaranteed him an induction at least as a member of the Redeem Team, but also would've strengthened his chances of going in as an individual. As for Rip, I agree I dont really think he will get in, but you never know. It is the "basketball" hall of fame, not just NBA, and it is quite an accomplishment to win both an NCAA championship and NBA championship, leading both teams in scoring. Jordan, Magic, Isiah, and Kareem are the only other players I can think of off the top that have accomplished that. Not that they got in off of that, but still good company for Rip to make his case, but ultimately I dont think he will get in. It would be awesome if one day they honored the whole 2004 team as the all-time greatest defensive team in basketball history. I just looked it up and Laetner IS a member of the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame.

He was inducted this past summer as a member of the 1992 Dream Team.

http://www.masslive.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/08/christian_laettners_hall_of_fa.html

Does that mean we can start referring to Tay as “Future HOF’er” Tayshaun Prince? lol

I bet Chauncey’s been kicking himself about pulling out of that team. That would’ve guaranteed him an induction at least as a member of the Redeem Team, but also would’ve strengthened his chances of going in as an individual.

As for Rip, I agree I dont really think he will get in, but you never know. It is the “basketball” hall of fame, not just NBA, and it is quite an accomplishment to win both an NCAA championship and NBA championship, leading both teams in scoring. Jordan, Magic, Isiah, and Kareem are the only other players I can think of off the top that have accomplished that. Not that they got in off of that, but still good company for Rip to make his case, but ultimately I dont think he will get in.

It would be awesome if one day they honored the whole 2004 team as the all-time greatest defensive team in basketball history.

]]> By: jgk281 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22920 jgk281 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:51:24 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22920 Im not certain, but didnt the Dream Team just get inducted into the HOF last year? Was Laetner excluded for being a role player? If he was on the roster, I would think he would've gotten honored with the rest of the team, just like Tay should, even if they didnt play a big role, but idk, I didnt really pay attention to the ceremony last year. Im not certain, but didnt the Dream Team just get inducted into the HOF last year? Was Laetner excluded for being a role player?

If he was on the roster, I would think he would’ve gotten honored with the rest of the team, just like Tay should, even if they didnt play a big role, but idk, I didnt really pay attention to the ceremony last year.

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22918 gmehl1977 Mon, 21 Feb 2011 03:13:36 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22918 Out of the 5 only Big Ben & Chauncey have a chance to make the HOF and having said that there is no guarantee that either of the 2 will. I am not saying i think neither deserves to but with the way they choose players to get in the HOF it just might work against them both. Big Ben & Chauncey were my favorite pistons during their ECF reign but the HOF should be for guys like Jordon/Bird/Magic/Erving/Thomas/Chamberlain or what you would call standout stars their whole career. I don't see any of those pistons in that way but i am kind of happy that i don't. They were special for that very reason because they beat there opponents with less talent but with more team work and heart. This should not be seen as a blight to any of those pistons cause i think sometimes to make the HOF you have to be somewhat a little selfish which is just not the piston way. Out of the 5 only Big Ben & Chauncey have a chance to make the HOF and having said that there is no guarantee that either of the 2 will. I am not saying i think neither deserves to but with the way they choose players to get in the HOF it just might work against them both. Big Ben & Chauncey were my favorite pistons during their ECF reign but the HOF should be for guys like Jordon/Bird/Magic/Erving/Thomas/Chamberlain or what you would call standout stars their whole career. I don’t see any of those pistons in that way but i am kind of happy that i don’t. They were special for that very reason because they beat there opponents with less talent but with more team work and heart. This should not be seen as a blight to any of those pistons cause i think sometimes to make the HOF you have to be somewhat a little selfish which is just not the piston way.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22916 Patrick Hayes Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:37:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22916 <p>Haha. I thought the same thing. Even Gil looked confused when they said 'forward.'</p> Haha. I thought the same thing. Even Gil looked confused when they said ‘forward.’

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22915 Patrick Hayes Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:37:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22915 <p>Wow. The bar for the Hall would be at an all-time low if Prince or Hamilton are ever put in.</p> <p>I love both of those guys, but they are both easy Nos.</p> <p>Prince will retire with zero all-star appearances. He will never be a top two player on a good team. He was All-Defense second team a couple of times. He's had a nice NBA career, but he was never even a top 10 player at his position during his career, and he might not even be top 15 most of those seasons.</p> <p>As for the Olympic thing, the only reason he was added to that team was because USA Basketball made a conscious decision to add some role players because the recent stars-only versions had imploded. Christian Laettner was on the original dream team, and he even had a much better college career than Prince on his resume, and there is no way in hell he's getting in either.</p> <p>Hamilton is largely in the same boat. Very nice player in his era, but never top 10 at his position.</p> Wow. The bar for the Hall would be at an all-time low if Prince or Hamilton are ever put in.

I love both of those guys, but they are both easy Nos.

Prince will retire with zero all-star appearances. He will never be a top two player on a good team. He was All-Defense second team a couple of times. He’s had a nice NBA career, but he was never even a top 10 player at his position during his career, and he might not even be top 15 most of those seasons.

As for the Olympic thing, the only reason he was added to that team was because USA Basketball made a conscious decision to add some role players because the recent stars-only versions had imploded. Christian Laettner was on the original dream team, and he even had a much better college career than Prince on his resume, and there is no way in hell he’s getting in either.

Hamilton is largely in the same boat. Very nice player in his era, but never top 10 at his position.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/02/greater-four-all-stars-pistons-or-celtics/comment-page-1/#comment-22913 Ryan Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:57:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4937#comment-22913 its bugging the hell out of me, why was arenas annouced as a forward? its bugging the hell out of me, why was arenas annouced as a forward?

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