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Could Pistons trade Richard Hamilton to Lakers for Ron Artest and Luke Walton?

ESPN’s Marc Stein reported Ron Artest desires, at least in part, for the Lakers to trade him:

One source close to the situation insists that Ron Artest wants out.

Asked to react to that, Artest’s agent David Bauman declined comment.

This is where I’m obligated to remind you that no one in the NBA can change his mind faster than the famously fickle Ron-Ron.

I don’t think Artest will stick with this, but if he does, could that open the door for the Pistons to finally trade Richard Hamilton?


Pistons receive:

  • Ron Artest
  • Luke Walton

Lakers receive:


Pistons receive:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Ron Artest $6,322,320 $6,790,640 $7,258,960 $7,727,280
Luke Walton $5,260,000 $5,680,000 $5,800,000 $0
Total $11,582,320 $12,470,640 $13,058,960 $7,727,280
  • Early-termination option

Lakers receive:

Player 2010-11 2011-12 2012-13 2013-14
Richard Hamilton $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $12,500,000 $0
DaJuan Summers $762,195 $1,059,293 $0 $0
Total $13,262,195 $13,559,293 $12,500,000 $0
  • Qualifying offer

Salaries from ShamSports.com

Pistons’ perspective

The Pistons want to trade Richard Hamilton. There’s no doubt about that. He’s not helping the team or its image, and they’re paying him a lot of money to do neither.

This isn’t about assigning blame (although both sides deserve some). It’s about moving on.

The Pistons would save a small amount of money this year and next. That surely appeals to Karen Davidson, making this trade possible. After all, she has the final word.

Neither Ron Artest nor Luke Walton will fix the Pistons’ on-court problems, and both are overpaid. But it might be easier to regain financial flexibility with two medium-sized bad contracts rather than Hamilton’s large bad contract.

Of course, the elephant in the room is the brawl at The Palace, but I think we’re past it.

The Pistons showed interest in acquiring Artest a couple years ago, according to Sam Amick, then of the Sacramento Bee:

And from what I was told from one source close to the Pistons, they are. I’ve yet to get this info from more than one person, so stay tuned.

And for what it’s worth, Artest didn’t shoot down Detroit, according to The Detroit News (via Matt Watson of Detroit Bad Boys):

“I wouldn’t consider not playing here,” Artest said. “But right now I’m doing Sacramento. But it’s not something I’m opposed to, you know. That would be a hell of a first day if Ron Artest was in a Pistons’ jersey. That would be kind of crazy.”

I thought I heard Artest say – whether he meant it is another story – he wanted to sign with the Pistons in 2009, but they didn’t want  him. Does anyone have a link on that?

Anyway, Artest is probably over the hill, but maybe he could help the Pistons’ re-establish their defensive identity. Even if Artest can’t execute as well as he once could, this team badly needs more defensive intensity, and that could help Detroit’s impressionable and talented players like Austin Daye, Greg Monroe, Jonas Jerebko, Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

Lakers’ perspective

Any move the Lakers think about making begins with questioning how Kobe Bryant would react. Judging by this 2006 Chris Palmer article, Kobe would favor this trade:

The final buzzer sounds and Kobe wades through the flood of players, coaches, ballboys, and security personnel to find Rip Hamilton, coming toward him, unhitching the Velcro straps on his protective facemask. The two embrace for a long time, patting each other on the back, whispering congratulations and what’s ups. They step back, exchanging toothy grins, Hamilton’s left hand on Kobe’s shoulder, Kobe’s on the back of Hamilton’s head. Never have I seen Kobe so at ease, so openly friendly with an opponent. More shocking still is to see someone else so relaxed around him. Players from other teams are reluctant to fraternize with Kobe, largely because they assume he has no interest in friends. But Kobe wants to shed the loner tag, to be one of the guys. He wants to laugh and joke with his colleagues around the league. For him, though, it’s not that simple.

Except with Hamilton. With Hamilton, it’s easy.

Beatwriters who follow Kobe struggle to name players he counts as friends. They recall attempts to socialize with his teammates outside the walls of the Staples Center or the Lakers practice facility, but scarcely know of anyone who’s been to his home. He simply lives too far away.

Hamilton is the right fit for Kobe. His sunny disposition makes it easy for Kobe to be himself, even if he doesn’t yet know who that is. Kobe trusts him, refuses to judge him. They have a history.

Hamilton is far from his peak, but he could help the Lakers off the bench and has plenty of playoff experience.

DaJuan Summers is included to give the Pistons a little more salary relief, and the Lakers could certainly afford him.

A small consideration for the Lakers should be that the Pistons are sold and Hamilton receives a buyout, freeing him to sign with another contender.


  • Feb 2, 20114:11 pm
    by Laser


    1) for any number of reasons i don’t see this happening.
    2) rip is “far” from his peak? right. i’m so sick of this talk that i’m just tuning this garbage out from now on. put him next to a point guard and one (1) decent pick-setter for FIVE MINUTES and we’ll see if he’s that far over the hill.
    i swear to god, take away his point guard, force him to split time with two (!!!) other shooting guards and create his own shot off the dribble for 2.5 entire seasons (!!!) and BOY what a scapegoat he makes, right?? give me a damn break, feldman.

    • Feb 2, 20117:37 pm
      by Patrick Hayes


      So shooting 40 percent the last 2 seasons is not his fault? Give me a break. He’s paid $12.5 million, and you act like it’s asking a lot for him to have good shot selection, which he hasn’t at all. And if he was dependent on a good point guard to get good shots, then maybe he was just never as good as people thought in the first place, right?

      • Feb 3, 20111:19 am
        by Laser


        hayes, you complain that i’m a broken record, then we get into stuff like this. it’s this simple: he has no point guard. the closest thing to a point guard this team has had for the past three seasons is will bynum, who’s perennially been on the fringe of the rotation. and the moment they decide to start an actual PLAYMAKER and let him run the offense, rip is immediately taken out of the rotation. the guy’s a shooter. he’s going to shoot. if he’s not shooting, he’s a waste of space. similar story with ben gordon, who’s also been a chronic underperformer in a pistons uniform. and both have been forced to create their own shot off the dribble all season, something gordon does far better than rip.
        the bottom line is that everybody on the team has been atrocious as long as stuckey’s been running the offense. absolutely everybody. rip happens to suffer the most, since he’s the player who benefits most from a system that has specific types of complementary players (not rare ones, mind you, ones every team BUT US has; a point guard, a decent screen setter or two). but we knew EXACTLY who rip was when we extended him and continued to acquire players. and “who rip was” got him a share of a world championship and three (3) all-star appearances.
        i’ll compare rip to myself just for kicks. i’m the kind of guy you want to have on your team in a pick-up game. unselfish, i work hard, i’m an interested and intelligent defender, i don’t feel the need to take a lot of shots and the ones i do take are usually good ones, i like setting picks, i always try to make the right decision. but i’m not very useful at two-on-two and absolutely useless at one-on-one. i’m just not a good enough ballhandler, and i’m not especially comfortable taking contested shots. still, in the right environment, i’m an ideal complementary player.
        the pistons have been an absolute disaster since joe traded chauncey, and it just so happens that rip’s suffered the most. but i absolutely refuse to bury the guy until we get a look at him in a reasonable system for him. it’s ridiculous to make him a scapegoat when he’s been so horrifically misused and when he’s such a terrible fit in an isolation-exclusive offense. you just won’t convince me that a starting lineup of t-mac, rip, prince, monroe and big ben (or is it wilcox now?) is any worse than one that’s got stuckey or gordon starting at SG. then bring stuckey and bynum off the bench, trade gordon to create some cap space, and it’s the SAME DAMN FORMULA. only without 12.65 million per year for the next 2.5 years collecting dust. this is insanity.

        • Feb 3, 20118:55 am
          by Patrick Hayes


          Why is it so far-fetched to believe that he’s declined? I mean, he’s 32. He’s skinny. He has a ton of miles on him from year after year of playoff runs, and he’s a player dependent on speed to play at a high level.
          Sure, Billups made everyone on the team better. There’s no debating that. But Hamilton misses many, many shots that used to be automatic for him. There’s no reason he should be a 40 percent shooter for 2 straight seasons. That’s not solely on who’s been playing PG for them. Hamilton just doesn’t hit shots as consistently as he used to.

          • Feb 3, 20119:52 pm
            by Laser

            it’s not farfetched. the issue is that i’m not going to just assume it without seeing him in a sensible system. that’s all. he may well have declined, but i’m not ready to write the guy off or bury him just yet. everyone’s been awful for us since the iverson trade. everyone.
            i don’t want to point the finger at one player, not even stuckey. but i think stuckey’s a better person to point the finger at.
            rip’s had flashes of absolute brilliance. a few of them this season. the kinds of flashes that let you know he’s still “got it,” even if he hasn’t been rolling lately. the 35 point explosion (alongside t-mac) comes to mind. and that game where he dominated overtime (the one time i remember them consistently running plays for him all season). i’ll believe he’s got nothing left when i see him play a stretch of games starting alongside t-mac, with just one SG coming off the bench behind him, playing starters’ minutes.

        • Feb 3, 20118:30 pm
          by Dan Feldman


          Laser, I get that Rip is better next to a better passer. Fine. But start with the moment Stuckey took over as point guard. Rip has steadily gotten worse since then. Why?

          • Feb 3, 20119:56 pm
            by Laser

            eh. maybe it’s a reflection of getting more and more frustrated and restless with a bad team, bad system (especially for him), i dunno. but nothing about this team has been acceptable lately. a player’s prime is supposed to be 27-32 or something like that. guy’s not old. he’s just not a 1-on-1 player. period.

  • Feb 2, 20114:16 pm
    by Ryan


    Im not so sure were over the brawl like you think, and the trade i don’t like anyway, that gives us 5 Sfs: in Walton, Artest, Prince, Daye, and Jerebko

    • Feb 3, 20118:55 pm
      by Dan Feldman


      Ryan, no, this trade won’t fix the Pistons’ unbalanced roster. But if you wait for a trade that fixes every problem, you’ll never find one. Plus, all those players you listed can play multiple positions.

  • Feb 2, 20114:33 pm
    by Jason


    Going after Artest would have been a smart idea about 2 years ago, when we decided to throw millions of dollars at Ben Gordon.. At this point, i don’t see how adding more wing player would make any sense, unless they were both expiring contracts – which isn’t the case here..
    Not only does it make no sense now, but Artest’s agent already came out and said it was BS – so on to the next hypothetical..
    I still think Dallas does something, Unless they truly believe Caron Bulter could be back by the post season, why in the world are they holding his expiring deal? Trade him, and he can resign with the team after the season if Dallas likes him that much..

    • Feb 3, 20118:57 pm
      by Dan Feldman


      Jason, Artest’s agent said that because it’s against NBA rules to publicly demand a trade. His agent was just doing his job and helping Artest avoid a fine.

  • Feb 2, 20114:41 pm
    by mixmastamykl


    “I thought I heard Artest say – whether he meant it is another story – he wanted to sign with the Pistons in 2009, but they didn’t want  him. Does anyone have a link on that?”
    Here you go Mr. Feldman :

  • Feb 2, 20114:45 pm
    by gmehl1977


    Yeah i don’t think Rip is as washed up as most people think Dan. I still believe in the right situation Rip can be a great component to a contender. I also believe Rip truly knows he is not worth the money he is making (in Detroit) in the back end of his contract and that must have some effect on a player that used to dominate guys for so long. Still give him a good PG and and some good screen setters then things will be very different. I suppose you also have to wonder how Rip would adjust to the triangle offense that Lakers run. Finally i think the day Joe trades for Artest is the day he gets canned. I would love to see how the scene of Artest walking into the Detroit workout facility approaching Big Ben would play out.

    • Feb 2, 20117:38 pm
      by Patrick Hayes


      He’s not washed up. He’s a flawed player. If you have a player who can create shots for him, if you don’t need him to ever dribble or create, he’ll be fine. But is that worth $12 million a season?

      • Feb 2, 20118:16 pm
        by gmehl1977


        No he’s not worth $12 million a season. Like i said in the ‘right situation’ i think he could be effective. I think Rip would fit in well with contenders like the Celtics, Spurs, Lakers and Magic. With guys like Rondo and Parker feeding him the ball and big guys screening and giving the space he needs it wouldn’t be a long shot to see Rip putting up 15-18 points a game. Definitely not worth $12 million a season but if he was bought out and one of those teams that i mention were to pick him up on the cheap then he would be a bargain.

      • Feb 3, 20111:05 am
        by Jason


        I disagree with your logic completely here, Patrick. (And that’s usually not so..)
        12 million these days isn’t really a whole lot of money, I could write a list of players making that or more – and aren’t that much better then Rip… The idea that he isn’t worthy of this, just because he needs a PG to set him up is pretty ridiculous. (Isn’t this specifically what the PG is supposed to be there for, to set up other players?) Rip has been the Pistons leading scorer since he came here, because he had a player who could feed him the ball. I’m not one to believe that a player only deserves big money if he can create his own shots.. I’m a firm believer that TEAM BALL wins championships… Having Kobe Bryant helps, but when you have a group of guys who have perfected chemistry – even Kobe can’t get in the way..
        I get why people are so willing to brush Rip off, his stats have been down, and to most people it would seem he is on the decline. BUT, it was just a couple years back when most true Pistons fans would vehemently debate that Rip was one of the best conditioned players in this league, and i don’t think a couple years have changed that.
        I think you are underestimating how “Flawed” Rodney Stuckey is, and how it directly relates to Rip’s decline in production. People are too quick to forget Rip has been sharing minutes, with extremely awkward rotations with Ben Gordon, which has further lead to his decline statistically.
        I just can’t understand someone saying Rip is a “Flawed Player”, that I just will not buy into. This guy has put everything into this organization, and was such a huge piece to making our glory days possible. He was a true team player, and is one of the best off the ball players in the league.
        There is No reason to believe if he isn’t paired with another ACTUAL point guard, he won’ go right back to his normal self. AND, yes, i do believe he’s worth every penny. He’s a veteran with playoff experience, and would bring so much to a team that actually understands how to put together a roster.. (Something I used to think Joey D knew how to do..)

        • Feb 3, 20118:58 am
          by Patrick Hayes


          I’m not underestimating anything about Stuckey. And yeah, “a couple years back” he had a great season, when he was 29-30, typically the peak year of production for most players. He’s 32 now. He’s shot 40 percent in back-to-back seasons.
          As far as what he’s worth? Find me another guard in the league who makes $12.5 million a season and can’t create his own shot.The only other one might be on the Pistons roster as well — Ben Gordon.

      • Feb 3, 20111:27 am
        by Laser


        it’s like this, hayes: is he worth $12.65 million? absolutely not. but that contract was inked years ago and doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. so how do we make the best of a bad situation? pay him to sit him? so that stuckey and gordon can play?? or do we move one of those other guys? hell, i’d move both! it’s not like we can get any value for rip anyways, so all that matters is what we do from here. all other complaints are useless. if you can’t trade rip, you plug him back in and make room for him to play. simple as that.
        you’re nuts if you think he’s suddenly such a scrub without actually taking a look at him in a decent situation. as seemingly the only person around here who consistently looks at the big picture, i think it’s a lot easier to diagnose this team’s problems by looking at stuckey and what the offense has looked like when he was running it.

        • Feb 3, 20119:02 am
          by Patrick Hayes


          I don’t think he’s a scrub. I think he’s not as good as he was when he was 28 or so.
          I just don’t understand this debate. For comparison’s sake, look at Reggie Miller, since style-wise he’s often compared to Rip. Reggie shot 47 percent for his career, and he was actually at 49 percent prior to his 30th birthday. After he turned 30, he only hit 47 percent once in his final nine seasons.
          Guards shoot worse as they get older, particularly guards like Miller and Rip who are jump shooters. It doesn’t mean I think Hamilton is a useless player, but people who think he hasn’t declined due to age are ignoring what happens to virtually every other guard after his 30th birthday.

          • Feb 3, 201112:07 pm
            by Jason

            I see your point here, but i think Rip is an exception to the rule.. He still can run circles around most guys in the league – mainly because he’s always kept himself in such good shape..
            The shooting percentage again has EVERYTHING to do with the type of shots he is forced to take. When he isn’t getting the looks he was used to his entire career (College/NBA) his numbers are going to go down. Its really that simple, and im surprised you aren’t giving this argument more credibility.
            If we’re using comparison’s, how about Ray Allen? He’s having another amazing season, and he’s almost 36 years old.. He and Rip are fairly similar players, although i think Allen is a bit better off the dribble, and has a little more range.. Point is, they both play better in a system where they get the ball fed to them at the right times..
            Allen has a TRUE PG – Rip hasn’t had one in a couple years..
            I’d have no problem with what your saying if there were a better alternative on our team. BUT, you can’t tell me Stuckey is better at the SG position. While RIP isn’t known for 3 point shooting, he’s at least better then Stuckey is, and he makes MUCH LESS mistakes… Gordon may be our best 3 point shooter, but is a liability on defense. RIP IS our best option at the position, and i agree completely with Laser that we need to give him a chance in a T-Mac ran offense before we decide he is no longer part of this team going forward (Especially being he’s our highest paid player..)

          • Feb 3, 20119:00 pm
            by Dan Feldman

            Jason, I agree Rip’s shooting percentage is dependent on his point guard. But he’s had the same point guard the last 2.5 years. Why has his shooting percentage gotten so much worse during that span?

          • Feb 3, 201110:02 pm
            by Laser

            here’s a guess, feldman: different levels of opportunity. he was still top dog when iverson was here. then gordon was a bit more of a threat to his shots/minutes since he was signed long-term. stuckey’s been steadily “emerging,” and since we all know he’s a shooting guard, that means he’s been dominating the ball more and more. then this season we suddenly adopted an offense based entirely on running isolation plays. that certainly explains this season’s decline. plus increasing amounts of frustration.

          • Feb 4, 20113:18 pm
            by Jason

            I have to agree with Laser here, for sure. Not only is Stuck taking more shots, we’ve constantly had too many players rotating in and out of games, Rip hasn’t been able to develop the rhythm that he was able to in the past. It’s not just Rip’s numbers either, we see the same thing with Ben Gordon, Charlie V, all of their numbers have been on the decline.
            This has alot to do with not JUST Stuck, but the way the offensive game plan has been executed the last couple years as well.
            Rip has been fairly consistent his entire career, and I just don’t believe his age is the reason for his decline. If he were 36, then maybe i’d agree. But i really don’t think it’s the case here.
            Look back at the archives, months ago i was pleading to start T-Mac at the PG, or at least if nothing else allow him to facilitate at the SF position, allowing BG and RIP on the floor at the same time. We’ve elevated T-Mac to the starting PG spot, but have not given RIP a chance to in this lineup. I just don’t think its a smart coaching decision. I understand, we have too many players to get them all on the court, but i’d at least like to think they ONE GUY that has been our best player for 8 years, would at least get a shot in the “New lineup” before being jettisoned from the rotation. Give RIP 5 games with T-Mac at starting PG, if his numbers don’t improve, then i’m all for conceding his decline.
            I’m just not willing to do so until I see what Rip can do with a facilitator again.

  • Feb 2, 20114:48 pm
    by Ryan


    Just can’t see Rip fitting in with that roster… but for the purposes of Detroit ridding thmselves of him, by golly do it.  And it’s not like Artest and Walton will be playing here long anyways.

  • Feb 2, 20115:18 pm
    by Odeh


    Feldman, you are losing your touch!  You used to be the only person on this site I felt I agreed with the most but between this story and your article stating we should start Big Ben over Greg Monroe, I have to say that I don’t see your point of view and can’t disagree with you more.  First off, this trade does not benefit either party.  The Lakers cannot start Rip at SF because he is not good enough defensively.  True, they have Matt Barnes but I don’t think they take the risk the Barnes can guard the likes of Melo, Bron, and the other big names.  Second, the Pistons are going to do a move that either sheds salary or nets them a big man in return and this does neither.  If the Pistons do this deal and don’t trade Prince, then they are stuck with the same roster because they have no cap space once Prince’s deal expires, leaving us with no big men or true point guard we need to contend.  If teams are not biting on Rip’s contract than we could entice them with a pick or one of our young talents (Daye, Jerebko) before we do a stupid ass deal like this where we commit to long term salary and still have no flexibility.

    • Feb 2, 20115:24 pm
      by Ryan


      I agree Feldman is usually right on the money, this is just a ridiculously horrible idea though

    • Feb 2, 20117:41 pm
      by Patrick Hayes


      “Second, the Pistons are going to do a move that either sheds salary or nets them a big man in return and this does neither.”
      This trade absolutely sheds salary. The Pistons would save money this year and next.
      The worst part about the proposed NJ trade is that it has everyone expecting that because the Nets were going to give an expiring deal for Rip, other teams certainly will. I highly doubt it. If the Pistons move Rip, it will be for a deal like this, where they take back bad contracts that are slightly less bad than Hamilton’s, unless the NJ/Melo deal is re-ignited.

      • Feb 3, 201112:14 pm
        by Jason


        I don’t see how it is entirely impossible for a team to want to trade an expiring for Rip’s experience..
        I know i might sound like a broken record here, but Dallas is one of the oldest teams in the league.. Their window of opportunity to win a championship with Dirk is closing quickly, not to mention Jason Kidd probably only has a couple years left in him as well.
        Add to that the fact they have a guy injured for the rest of the year, and being paid 10.5 million, I don’t see how in the world they dont try to get a hamilton.. They are especially weak at the SG spot, and Rip would be a great fit. He’d bring playoff experience, defense, hustle, and a great off the ball presence to compliment Jason Kidd’s play-making ability.
        Whether this deal happens or not, we’ll see. But to say there is no possible way we can get an expiring contract for RIP is silly, there’s plenty of scenario’s out there that COULD happen. Will they? Doubtful, but definitely not out of the picture…
        Last note, im sure it would be ALOT easier to make a deal if teams were actually able to see RIP on the court, proving he can still play alongside a play-maker…

        • Feb 3, 20119:06 pm
          by Dan Feldman


          Jason, Rip is owed a ton of money and wouldn’t necessarily makes the Mavericks better. At best, they see him as a last resort. But I think they can get a better player for Butler’s contract.

          There’s also a significant risk that he’s actually washed up and giving him more minutes would hurt his value even more. At some point, his value will bottom out while sitting on the bench. I don’t know enough about Joe Dumars’ negotiations to know whether we’re there yet, but we might be. Then, I’d agree they should consider giving him minutes.

          • Feb 4, 20113:28 pm
            by Jason

            I disagree entirely. I respect your opinion, but Rip would thrive on that team. He wouldn’t be required to be the top scorer/go to guy every time up and down the court. He would have a REAL PG to feed him the ball. He would have solid Big’s down low to assist with Defense, and would be able to get back to his old self right away.
            Deshawn Stevenson/Jason Terry are their current options…. Of course RIp makes them better! Terry is NOT a starter, and Rip is clearly a better option then Stevenson.. Plus, he has Playoff experience, is a team player, hustles on offense/defense – and undoubtedly will play his heart out for a team that actually cares about him…
            YES he’s getting alot of money, but were talking about a Dallas team who is paying 10 million to Jason Terry, and 8 million to Shawn Marion… I don’t think Cuban of all people would be hurting too bad if he took on Rip’s contract.. They are build to win now, and I think this gives them a much better shot at doing so then their current roster will permit.

  • Feb 2, 20116:16 pm
    by Josh V


    Just to back up everyone, this idea is horrendous.  More SFs or SGs equates to jack sh- in the win column and who gets the PT?  Unless we get $$ back, a big man, or a legit PG than no trade should be done.  PERIOD.

    • Feb 3, 20119:08 pm
      by Dan Feldman


      Josh, this trade does none of those things, but it makes doing those things in the next move more likely. How many chances do you think the Pistons will have to trade Rip?

  • Feb 2, 20116:23 pm
    by Mike Payne


    Any Hamilton for two contract that add up to equal value is a win for new ownership if there is no alternative.  If this trade where to happen, which is very, very far from likely, the new Pistons ownership could buy out Walton for half of the cost it’d take to buy out Hamilton.  Then keep Artest on the squad for the season and attempt to trade him by next winter.  In theory, a trade like this allows for greater flexibility this summer.

  • Feb 2, 20116:39 pm
    by Travis


    This trade allows us to get rid of hamiltons toxic attidue and contract and summer sit on the pine butt. We get rid of Rip who is a threat to take minutes from gordon and prince is leaving in the summer for a contender so we will need a defensive stopper who can teach the young ones some D pointers, and two medium bad contracts are better then a monster one contract.

  • Feb 2, 20116:43 pm
    by LEVI



  • Feb 2, 20116:53 pm
    by Stephen


    Better include McGrady in the deal.
    Ron grew to detest Tracy in Houston,and Tracy wasn’t too fond of Ron either.

    • Feb 3, 20119:10 pm
      by Dan Feldman


      Stephen, any problems started because Artest said McGrady needed to defend better. The Pistons need someone who will demand accountability on defense. That will help them in the long run.

  • Feb 2, 20118:08 pm
    by steve


    id take that trade based on artest’s defense, and the chance to throw beer at him on a regular basis

    • Feb 2, 20118:20 pm
      by gmehl1977


      Ha ha ha ha ha…awesome comment :-)

  • Feb 3, 20112:22 am
    by Vince


    Though this would be appealing, I don’t think Ron will ever make it to Detroit unless its with another team, I mean Wallace, T-Mac in the same team as Artest, they might as well take a stint in boxing. Its not going to work, Bulls have anyone we might consider since aparently they’ve been looking at Rip for a while. I expect him to be traded by the deadline.

  • Feb 5, 201111:18 pm
    by Mike


    Trade Odom and Blake for Hamilton…that makes more sense for both teams.

  • Feb 5, 201111:22 pm
    by Mike


    Why not trade Prince and rebuild. He is 30 yrs old already. The Mavs would offer Butler’s expiring deal and Stevenson(expiring)…this saves the Pistons money and considering that the team is selling…it might be good for them.

    • Feb 6, 201112:02 pm
      by Dan Feldman


      Mike, trading Prince for Butler and Stevenson wouldn’t save the Pistons any money. A Prince-for-Butler trade, if made today, would save Detroit $220,913. Every day the trade doesn’t happen, that amount decreases. No matter when the trade is made, it would generate no additional cap room. Do you really want the Pistons to trade a useful player for someone who can’t play just so Karen Davidson can save $220,913?

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