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Ben Wallace on Richard Hamilton: ‘It’s personal. Nah, he not going to play. You’re going to have to trade him now’

The media covering the Pistons last night was on point during their interview with Ben Wallace, and Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press detailed all of Wallace’s thoughtful answers about the Richard Hamilton situation. The whole article is worth a read, but this question and answer stood out to me:

Q: Are you aware of what made it personal between Q and Rip?

Wallace: “I’m pretty sure I know. I’ve been around a lot. I know the situation. I know what went down and what was said and how it was said. But ever after that I never thought it would get to this point. You’re going to deactivate a guy that’s already not playing. An All-Star, a guy that did so much to help this organization get to the top when we were winning. And know we’re not as good as we were. I think it’s a slap in the face. That’s the final punch thrown. What are you going to do now? Of course he’s not going to play if you call and ask him to play. It’s personal. Nah he not going to play. You’re going to have to trade him now. You’re going to have to move him.”

21 Comments

  • Feb 5, 20118:59 am
    by detroitpcb

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    what is obvious is that there is no communication between the older players and Q, and no respect. Ben and Tay and Rip are all professionals who go out and play and give their best on any given night regardless of their relationship with the coach but this is getting out of hand. Joe Dumars has been put in the position of either being forced to trade Rip or fire his coach.

    come to think of it, both of those things are pretty good ideas.

    There is no way Tay is coming back next year to play for Q. And Tay has been our best and most consistent player. (Monroe is our best big man). It is imperative that we trade Tay so that we get something for him rather than just let his contract expire. 

    • Feb 5, 20114:24 pm
      by Jacob

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      I agree – the Pistons need to trade Rip by the deadline and fire Q after the season. That way neither party involved in this mess is a part of the organization anymore and they can move forward, starting fresh. No contract is immovable, Joe D has got to figure out how to move Rip, almost by any means necessary, this situation has gotten so messy. I hate to see coaches fired and we’ve gone through so many the past several years, but Q has got to go. It’s clear that he doesn’t have to players’ respect and because of this whole situation I think it’s best to just start anew without him.

      • Feb 5, 20117:36 pm
        by Dan Feldman

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        Jacob, several players have publicly bad-mouthed him, but they haven’t quit on him on the court. They’re playing hard for him. The team has improved dramatically from the beginning of the season. Of course, that could unravel quickly. But it hasn’t yet. For now, Kuester deserves some credit.

    • Feb 5, 20117:33 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      PCB, there’s no doubt Prince plays hard every night. I’m not convinced he plays his best, though. Plenty of times this year, he’s looked for his shot or concentrated on on-ball defense at the expense of help defense. He tries his hardest at those things, but those aren’t necessarily the ways he can help the team most.

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  • Feb 5, 201110:58 am
    by Stephen

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    detroitpcb,
    Reread Wallace’s words. If accurate,Rip was asked to play and said no:
    “Of course he’s not going to play if you call and ask him to play. It’s personal. Nah he not going to play.’

    • Feb 5, 201111:17 am
      by Jason

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      I don’t believe this is the case.. Look at the blog posted last night, RIP’s words are much different. He clearly stated he is healthy, he wants to play, he’s ready to play… He states that Kuester put him on the inactive tonight, that wasn’t Rip’s choosing..

    • Feb 5, 20117:36 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Stephen, I think Wallace meant after how things went against the Nets.

  • Feb 5, 201111:16 am
    by Jason

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    Letting his contract expire eliminates his salary from the cap, whichi is surely “something”. If we let Tay walk, and somehow move Rip’s contract, it will give us a little flexibility to bring in a big name at a needed position – defensive Big, or PG.
     
    Nothing wrong with letting his contract expire, but I will say that if this whole RIP situation starts to affect his performance (doubtful), then i’d entertain it. OR, if a team wants Tay/Rip in a combo, of course i’d be all for it.. And to be clear, just because i suggest trades, doesn’t mean i devalue these players in any way.
     
    I love both of them, and will always respect what they’ve done for the Pistons. I’ll wish them nothing but success going forward. I think a contender, with a strong minded coach would LOVE to have either of these guys, and they will be grat for just about any team out there, aside from us!! (That’s so sad to say..)
     
    And I can only hope Kuester is fired.. I normally wouldn’t say this after how many coaches we’ve burned through, but if we want any chance at enticing a Free Agent to come here, we sure as hell better get respected coach.

    • Feb 5, 20117:41 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Jason, I think a team’s coach is a very minor factor for most free agents. Money and role play a much bigger part in most decisions. Besides, which “respected” coach could the Pistons get?

  • Feb 5, 20111:56 pm
    by Ryan

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    we should see if the lakers would take ben and rip for A.Bynum, just saying

  • Feb 5, 20112:30 pm
    by jgk281

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    LOL@ Ryan

  • Feb 5, 20113:36 pm
    by blaze42

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    Trade rip, fire q, hire laimbeer. They need someone that commands respect. You know Mahorn will be an assistant. They will keep the veterans in line for sure.

  • Feb 5, 20113:38 pm
    by rick

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    Detroit is in a tailspin and it can be attributed all the way back to a number of decisions or indecision’s made by Dumars . I think he over valued Rasheed Wallace and paid him like he was the reason Detroit won everything. In essence he had a combination of things going for him. He fleeced Jordan by trading aging Stackhouse, got a free agent in Billups and had already drafted Okur and Prince. Carlisle had them boys playing half court stingy defense and playing as a unit. Then next you hear Carlise is a @$$hole around the Palace and nobody likes him. What the hell, I actually thought the old man had his imprints on this all the way and in the end to me it has cost them dearly. Did we ever hear the players complain about how Carlise coached? Nope, but when Larry came in after that first year everything became stale and he supposedly flirted with the Cavaliers. Gone, bye, which brings us to Saunders. He was a good coach as far as x’s and o’s but not good enough to command respect of the Wallaces. I think this is why Ben left  in my opinion because he got tired of Rasheed and his antics, along with how the coach did not step up to him. Players do not want to have to step in another players face all the time. That is where the coach/gm steps up. All I ever heard from Dumars was how much a great talent Rasheed was and how most things could be excused. So hear we are two coaches in three years a total combined 83 wins in two and half years and most of those were by Curry who got fired for not communicating better with Hamilton. So what is the deal with Q and Hamilton? Who knows ,but one thing for sure is I do not think any free agent will want to come here and play for Detroit. You can play all the youngsters you want,but what fills up the seats? A good basketball team and a well run organization . The last thing you want to see is one of your best players and one that helped win a title be put on the deactivated list by a career long assistant coach who just so happened to get a job from Joe Dumars. How do you go from Carlisyle a young and up and coming coach to caoch a young group to and old bag Kuester to coach young talent with old? At what point does Dumars start getting articles written about him? The economy is bad in New Orleans and they are winning, with a new young coach.I am tired of excuses and players getting all the blame.

    • Feb 5, 20117:53 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Rick, Ben Wallace clashed with Rick Carlisle at the end, enough to the point where I think that was a major reason he got fired.

      The Pistons reached the Finals in Brown’s second year. If that’s stale, sign me up.

      I don’t think Wallace cared for Saunders’ style, but the Bulls offered him $12 million more than the Pistons did. That’s the No. 1 reason he left.

      Completely agree that a good team will fill The Palace more than anything else will. Hamilton isn’t helping the team. It’s completely reasonable that benching him will make the Pistons better.

      The Hornets comparison doesn’t make much sense. They have Chris Paul. That’s why they’re good. They also went 18-64 the season before drafting him. I don’t blame the Pistons for trying to avoid that route.

  • Feb 5, 20116:28 pm
    by nate r

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    agree with blaze. no one can seem to run these players and also earn their respect. They either walk all over the coach (Curry) or just turn their backs on them (Q & Flip). Get Laimbeer in here now. He will have immediate respect from all the palyers, will treat them fair, and will not let them run over him. He knows his X’s and O’S, and will be a great leader and teacher for all of our younger players. He has earned his chance, and there is no doubt he will fair better then what we have had these last few years and better then anyone out there. C’mon Joe, you know its the right move. (Put your ego aside!)

    • Feb 5, 20117:43 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Nate, what evidence do you have that ego is keeping Dumars from hiring Laimbeer?

      • Feb 5, 20118:24 pm
        by nate r

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        Dan, Well looking at the history of Joe D and the majority of his decisions, (he doesn’t ever acknowledge his mistakes, in regard to drafting, trades, coaches, etc.), which just shows terrible character quality, and also reinforces the fact that HE is in charge and no one else can tell him what to do. HE is the boss, HE makes all the decisions (which has worked great for him since the Davidson’s gave him all power), HE will take the time to re-analyze poor decisions (which he never does), which leads to my point/opinion earlier, HE will not let anyone else tell him who to hire as a coach. The overall consensus from Pistons fans, and thru out the league is that the Pistons should hire Laimbeer (his name as been linked to the team caching spot for a few years now). But has Dumars ever even mentioned that he was looking at Laimbeer, no (at least not very publicly). Its Dumars attitude/ego, (similar to his buddy and our old friend Mr. Isaiah Thomas). These guys are the same, they feel like they have to make all the decisions, just so they can sleep better. They would never let anyone tell them that they should do something and actually do it for fear that when/if it works, it was not their idea. It may sound like a stretch, but I guarantee you that you personally know someone like this, it is a common character trait and unfortunately in this situation it is holding him back from making a proper and potentially genius decision.

        • Feb 5, 20118:39 pm
          by Dan Feldman

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          Nate, how should Dumars admit his mistakes? Should he hold a press conference every time he messes up?

          Dumars admits his mistakes by fixing them. Mateen Cleaves, Rodney White and Darko were all poor draft choices. Dumars didn’t waste time trying to turn them into players they couldn’t become he traded them. He hired Michael Curry, a poor coach. He didn’t waste time hoping Curry would turn around make him look good. He fired him.

          He takes responsibilities for his decisions because that’s his job. Should he pass the buck to someone else?

          Laimbeer’s name has been linked to the Pistons’ openings because he’s an obvious candidate. Could you have identified Rick Carlisle as a coaching candidate when Dumars hired him? Everyone knows Laimbeer’s name. That’s why he keeps getting mentioned. Just because fans want Laimbeer doesn’t make him a good choice. That’s not a qualification.

          Personality-wise, Dumars and Thomas are extremely different. Someone needs to lead the franchise, and that’s Dumars. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t value the input of others.

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