Comments on: Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports: Cavaliers wanted Pistons guard Richard Hamilton to play for them, but he balked

By: Laser

Laser — Fri, 25 Feb 2011 03:47:18 +0000

right. that’s the question nobody seems to want to address, like rip and tayshaun were the only moveable parts. thing is, when you F*CK up and have three shooting guards as your top players, you can’t just decide you’re going to move the one you want to move (especially when he’s the oldest, least productive and most expensive) and that’s your only option. joe made this bed and it looked like a mess to begin with; now you guys have to lay in it. it was a bad plan, it was never going to work, and joe absolutely refused to pursue options that would improve the team that involved any of his new mistakes– er, acquisitions. period. and that’s just cause for firing in my book.

the latest blog here involves analyzing the rip and tay deals that didn’t happen, but what about the charlie and gordon deals that didn’t happen?? or tracy, max, even stuckey? this is a sign of joe’s stubbornness. trading rip is less of an admission of a mistake as trading gordon, or especially stuckey. but a flexible GM would have realized that it’s in the best interest of the franchise to swallow your pride when things go wrong. instead, i think joe buried the franchise for a few extra unnecessary years. he should not get a free pass for this.

gordon’s redundant, stuckey is too and has serious value, villanueva is paid like a starter to be our fourth big man (and has WAY too many 13 minute, 5 point performances). tracy for a pick or a rook would have been a BLESSING and truly yielded the “reward” his signing promised. it’s like, we got the guy, rehabbed his career, and all he’s going to do is fly the coop for nothing. “thanks for everything, joe. seeya. love, tracy.” it’s bogus.

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By: jgk281

jgk281 — Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:42:32 +0000

haha, so true. And CV, Maxiell, T-Mac/Ben (for picks), Bynum, Stuckey, etc etc. The whole team minus Monroe should’ve been put up for sale.

We shouldn’t be surprised that no one wanted our least valuable asset, lol.

The Pistons want someone to give them a $100 bill for a 5. If they have to actually give up something to get something, they arent interested.

The Pistons been playing this hardball approach for years thinking another team is going to cave and hand them another Rasheed type deal, but every year the other GM’s call his bluff and dont budge, and we are left with the same team ever year.

By: detroitpcb

detroitpcb — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:43:58 +0000

what i don’t understand is………why didn’t we try and trade Ben Gordon?

By: BIG MARV

BIG MARV — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:38:59 +0000

I agree I think detroit will pay the price to get rid of that headache.

By: Realist

Realist — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:36:43 +0000

At the end of the day, it’s a business and nobody in there right mind would leave any money on the table that’s rightfully there’s…He earned the money…All this bashing and nobody knows what number the Cavs were offering for a buyout?? We all saw Dan Gilbert true colors after the whole Lebron thing…… Handle your business Rip and don’t do Joe D any favors or bail him out for the bonehead moves he’s made over the years and it just got swept under the rug because the team was winning.As a piston fan,I look at veteran teams like Boston and the Spurs and hurts because those teams are exactly how our team would be like….

By: jgk281

jgk281 — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:29:13 +0000

IMO, Rip is playing hardball on the buy-out. He knows the Pistons dont want to play him, and also knows they cant keep him and continue to not play him or the players union will throw a fit.

So why would he accept a partial buyout from Cleveland when he could get a full buyout from the Pistons because they NEED to get rid of him?

I think the Pistons will have no choice and will buy him out. I think this deal was a last effort by Joe to try to get another team to pay the bill, and Rip and his agent probably see right through it. Now they will probably pay him in full to go away.

By: jgk281

jgk281 — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:24:18 +0000

Something doesnt add up. Does Rip have a no-trade clause?

If Cleveland wanted to keep him as a player and play him, why couldn’t Joe just trade him without his permission?

By: Adam

Adam — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:06:59 +0000

It really doesn’t make any sense to buy out Hamilton at this point.

If you think about it, he has 12.5 due next year and either 12.5 or 9 if you cut him the year after. For Hamilton to even consider taking a buy-out right now, I would assume the number would have to be somewhere around 18-20 mil. He wouldn’t give up much more than that. It’s his last big contract, or maybe even his last contract with this whole meltdown.
However, there is likely to be a lock-out next year. If it lasts just half of the season, that’s already 6 million less that you would have to pay Hamilton. You could feasibly pay him the rest of the money for that year and cut him in the summer and only pay him 15 mil.
It makes no sense at all to buy out Hamilton until you know whether there will be a lock out or not. It’d be best to wait and see if any of the season is locked out and part of his contract is eaten up before negotiating a price.

By: Laser

Laser — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:04:38 +0000

i don’t think there’s a realistic chance that our young players are going to be significantly better for having played with t-mac for the rest of the season. i do think he makes them better when they’re on the floor, since hardly anybody on this team knows how to make a pass, but i don’t think he’s going to have any lasting impact on these young guys once he’s gone. much rather take a shot in the draft next season.

i think t-mac is a smart player, a calming presence, a great decision maker. but he’s never been the mentor type, and i don’t see how we couldn’t have gotten a return for him that would make objective sense for the team. unfortunately we don’t know what offers were made. t-mac for derrick caracter? something like that? not quite a “draft pick,” but the guy’s option for next year is half the vet’s minimum. same damn thing, and we’ve already seen that he has potential.

not buying that “no move” is a good move. not in a million years. next year the pistons take an inconceivable step backwards.