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Rodney Stuckey might be worth keeping, says Zach Lowe

Zach Lowe of The Point Forward ran with our earlier Rodney Stuckey trade speculation, and made the case for the Pistons looking harder at keep him:

The sad thing about the Stuckey situation, if you’re a Pistons fans, is that re-signing him ahead of time would have been a no-brainer had Detroit not already invested so much future money in Gordon, Villanueva and Hamilton. Give a rebuilding team the choice of giving, say, $10 million every season to Stuckey or one of those players, and most rebuilding teams would choose Stuckey.

But the numbers should be enough to at least make Detroit fans a bit less comfortable with the idea of tossing out Stuckey and turning over ball-handling duties to whatever remains on the roster next season. The Pistons overall are scoring about seven more points per 100 possessions with Stuckey on the court versus with him on the bench, and though that’s a big jump from last season and the season before, you can’t just dismiss it out of hand.

13 Comments

  • Jan 4, 20113:00 pm
    by Laser

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    lowe seems to get it, but he’s ignoring the fact that OTHER POINT GUARDS EXIST. so we score more with him on the floor (unintentional rhyme), it’s not like we’re winning games. all this highlights is that we have no playmaking whatsoever; that’s because of dumars’s staunch commitment to stuckey. raymond felton’s agent contacted the stones this summer to gauge their interest, knowing full well they had only a full MLE to offer. there are other fish in the sea… we’ll surely land a solid draft pick.
     
    i’m firmly in the camp that it would be nice to have stuckey, gordon and a POINT GUARD as our guard rotation, but that. ship. has. sailed. dumars blew it. so by the time we get a chance to enjoy a backcourt rotation that is actually an asset, gordon will be on the last year of the deal he signed, and we will have suffered through two and a half more seasons of misery. there comes a time to cut one’s losses, and now’s the time. kid has MAD value.
     
    on a side note: here’s a fun thing i just thought about. when we signed gordon, he was a top Free Agent in a shallow class. maybe the #1 or #2 FA depending on who you asked. if he hit the FA market right now, he’d be middling at best, regardless of the strength of the FA class. what more do you need to know about what this team is doing to its players and their values?

  • Jan 4, 20113:02 pm
    by Laser

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    i mean, the guy could potentially be an ELITE shooter and he plays 20 minutes on a bad team, not even as a top offensive option.

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  • Jan 4, 20113:50 pm
    by gordbrown

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    I’ve taken my lumps defending Stuckey but the truth is he’s the best trade piece the Pistons have. So like Prince, I have no problem if he can bring back something really valuable. Same with just about every player on the team (although I fall back on my basic point that moving Hamilton would be addition by subtraction). Having said that, the team has been playing so badly I despair that there are good deals with our players to be had. I should also like to note that two road games in a row, commentators have said something to the effect that the “Pistons have no offence” and that “they don’t know what they’re doing out there.” And that’s with T-Mac running the point. I know this point goes with earlier post, but surely that’s on the coaches.

  • Jan 4, 20114:02 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @gordbrown:
    I wouldn’t say “best.” Maybe talent-wise, yes. But his salary is so low, it would be really hard for the Pistons to do a one-for-one deal with him, and I don’t think a team is going to give up much for a guy already in the last year of his rookie deal. If they got him at the deadline, they’d only have a couple months to evaluate whether or not they want to extend him.

  • Jan 4, 20114:16 pm
    by lk#1

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    I don’t understand why Pistons should trade him. He’s not the problem. Dump Hamilton for anything – at this point i don’t really care what comes back. Stuckey signed to sth close to a MLE deal is a much better trading piece than he is at the moment. I don’t think you can evaluate any player without trading Rip and Tay first. They are holding the team back. I’m sick and tired of watching Pistons trying to execute plays that haven’t been efficient for the last 120 games.

  • Jan 4, 20114:30 pm
    by Laser

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    @hayes: first off, there’s another year left on his contract and then they’ve got his bird rights. so they get cheap production for one season and the first crack at keeping him. kid’s a restricted free agent AFTER next season.
     
    @that other joker: if the pistons could trade rip, he’d be gone by now. they’d do anything to keep stuckey and probably will, but they’re certainly looking at trading rip and tay first. rip’s just probably untradable.

  • Jan 4, 20114:50 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @Laser:

    The Pistons can extend him a qualifying offer after the season, which would make him a restricted free agent, then they could negotiate with him or match any offer sheet he signs.

    Not that they will not extend the qualifying offer, but if by some chance they didn’t, he’d be an unrestricted free agent.

    He could just accept the qualifying offer (about $3.8ish million) and play out that final year, but he’s still going to be a free agent after the season and still going to have the opportunity to try and get bigger money from another team if he can convince anyone to sign him.

  • Jan 4, 20115:06 pm
    by lk#1

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    Laser:
     
    There are so many bad contracts moved around that there is hardly any untradable player in this league.
     
    ‘at this point i don’t really care what comes back’ means that i don’t expect anything more than a bad contract in return

  • Jan 4, 20117:14 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @lk#1:
    I agree those contracts move all the time, but the overwhelming majority of bad contracts in the league are to wings like Hamilton. There are a few big guys who haven’t lived up to their deals — Brand in Philly, Kaman b/c of his injuries in L.A. — but for the most part, wings are the guys that get locked up and then don’t produce. There just doesn’t seem to be anything that is a match out there, although I think every Piston fan should be rooting for Dallas to play poorly without Butler so that the Mavs might become inclined to make a panic move.

  • Jan 4, 20118:39 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    i would not trade Stuckey. Why? Who on the roster is going to do what he does? (push pace, on ball defense, and go strongly to the hole and get to the line)

    Stuckey should be given a chance to play two guard before i would trade him. Personally i think Stuckey & T-Mac would make an interesting backcourt.

  • Jan 5, 20111:57 am
    by Laser

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    @hayes: 100% chance the pistons extend that qualifying offer. not sure how anyone with a pulse could think otherwise. no matter what happens. death, taxes and the pistons extending that offer. everything else is debatable. still, he’ll be a hell of a value for somebody for that year and what’s left of this one… ANYBODY who’s not already overloaded with shooting guards.
     
    @lk#1: don’t hold your breath. hamilton has one of the least desirable contracts around. and i really mean that.

  • Jan 5, 20118:53 am
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @Laser:
    I understand that they will extend the qualifying offer. My point is that just because they offer it doesn’t mean he necessarily is signed next year for that amount. Your original post that I responded to said he’s not a free agent until after next season. He’s a restricted free agent as soon as the Pistons extend a qualifying offer after this season.

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