Comments on: Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon say team needs to make in-game adjustments, but that’s not just a matter of coaching http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 18 Jun 2013 05:07:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16296 Laser Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:28:37 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16296 i've been saying this for a long time, and it's painfully obvious, so i'll be concise: A) joe dumars put together a team that cannot compete; gregg popovich, jerry sloan, phil jackson, larry brown... all of these guys would have trouble coaching the pistons into a team that should be taken seriously by anyone. B) because joe has put together such a rotten team, kuester is not on a position to succeed, because his job is to put his players in a position to succeed. that said, he would have a hard time doing a worse job than he's been doing so far. nobody in their right mind would have ever started daye OR maxiell at PF over monroe or charlie, and he stuck with those two so long as to make the playoffs a near impossibility. C) because of both of those points, i have a hard time blaming anyone for not playing hard enough ever. it would be nice to see them have more pride since they're being paid so much money to play a game they love, but it's a lost cause almost every night. it would be like expecting me to last five rounds with muhammad ali in his prime, or like expecting muhammad ali TODAY to last five rounds with me. i’ve been saying this for a long time, and it’s painfully obvious, so i’ll be concise: A) joe dumars put together a team that cannot compete; gregg popovich, jerry sloan, phil jackson, larry brown… all of these guys would have trouble coaching the pistons into a team that should be taken seriously by anyone. B) because joe has put together such a rotten team, kuester is not on a position to succeed, because his job is to put his players in a position to succeed. that said, he would have a hard time doing a worse job than he’s been doing so far. nobody in their right mind would have ever started daye OR maxiell at PF over monroe or charlie, and he stuck with those two so long as to make the playoffs a near impossibility. C) because of both of those points, i have a hard time blaming anyone for not playing hard enough ever. it would be nice to see them have more pride since they’re being paid so much money to play a game they love, but it’s a lost cause almost every night. it would be like expecting me to last five rounds with muhammad ali in his prime, or like expecting muhammad ali TODAY to last five rounds with me.

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16291 gmehl1977 Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:17:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16291 I say keep Monroe and Daye and blow this b1tch up. By that i mean the coaching staff and all the other players not mentioned. Clean slate. I say keep Monroe and Daye and blow this b1tch up. By that i mean the coaching staff and all the other players not mentioned. Clean slate.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16287 Patrick Hayes Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:19:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16287 <p>@PCB:</p> <p>How is this a free pass? I said throughout that he's a bad coach.</p> <p>Why are you giving free passes to players who don't regularly play hard?</p> @PCB:

How is this a free pass? I said throughout that he’s a bad coach.

Why are you giving free passes to players who don’t regularly play hard?

]]> By: detroitpcb http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16285 detroitpcb Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:23:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16285 wow, what a free pass to Q and his staff. wow, what a free pass to Q and his staff.

]]> By: Jacob http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16280 Jacob Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:25:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16280 One of the BIG issues that I think Patrick is alluding to is that the Pistons don't have a defined floor leader. The players need to make in game adjustments almost as most as the coaches do but there is no floor leader to initiate those adjustments. No, there is not much that Coach Q has done particularly well, but I'm afraid that he'll become the scapegoat for many other problems that are not his doing. The way the roster is constructed we've got so many players who don't have a defined role, inconsistent minutes, old guard vs. new guard, effort only half the time. The great teams in the league have 1-2 guys that have the voice to make in game adjustments and the authority that other guys will follow. The Pistons don't have anyone with that type of voice or authority at this point. All that to say, they aren't that far out of the last spot in East playoff race and there is a lot of this season left to play, so we'll see what happens this year. But to be taken seriously in the future, the roster has got to be reconstructed. One of the BIG issues that I think Patrick is alluding to is that the Pistons don’t have a defined floor leader. The players need to make in game adjustments almost as most as the coaches do but there is no floor leader to initiate those adjustments. No, there is not much that Coach Q has done particularly well, but I’m afraid that he’ll become the scapegoat for many other problems that are not his doing. The way the roster is constructed we’ve got so many players who don’t have a defined role, inconsistent minutes, old guard vs. new guard, effort only half the time. The great teams in the league have 1-2 guys that have the voice to make in game adjustments and the authority that other guys will follow. The Pistons don’t have anyone with that type of voice or authority at this point. All that to say, they aren’t that far out of the last spot in East playoff race and there is a lot of this season left to play, so we’ll see what happens this year. But to be taken seriously in the future, the roster has got to be reconstructed.

]]> By: IsraeliPiston http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16279 IsraeliPiston Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:04:06 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16279 I beg to differ re Stuckey as a PG. He DOES have instincts - but only as a run and gun point guard and not as a Billips half court look alike point guard. Stuckey wants to run - but with Rip and Tayshun he really can't. I beg to differ re Stuckey as a PG. He DOES have instincts – but only as a run and gun point guard and not as a Billips half court look alike point guard. Stuckey wants to run – but with Rip and Tayshun he really can’t.

]]> By: gordbrown http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16278 gordbrown Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:46:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16278 To contribute something positive to the discussion, I think the subtext to this has as much to do with locker room divisions as coaching. CV and Gordon are close and represent a faction in the locker room we know that. Experience also says that losing tends to create factions (or at least let factionalism leak out of the locker room). So it some ways, its surprising that we haven't seen more of this. One of the things coaching is supposed to do, however, is to address these issues so that they don't affect on court performance. The decision (whether it was coaching or higher up) to keep trotting Hamilton out as a starter when it was obviously losing games is a major factor in this. So this is really about the macro issue of coaches not addressing the issues of team cohesion and putting people in a place they may be effective as much as the micro issue of in game adjustments. My thoughts anyway. To contribute something positive to the discussion, I think the subtext to this has as much to do with locker room divisions as coaching. CV and Gordon are close and represent a faction in the locker room we know that. Experience also says that losing tends to create factions (or at least let factionalism leak out of the locker room). So it some ways, its surprising that we haven’t seen more of this. One of the things coaching is supposed to do, however, is to address these issues so that they don’t affect on court performance. The decision (whether it was coaching or higher up) to keep trotting Hamilton out as a starter when it was obviously losing games is a major factor in this. So this is really about the macro issue of coaches not addressing the issues of team cohesion and putting people in a place they may be effective as much as the micro issue of in game adjustments. My thoughts anyway.

]]> By: gordbrown http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16277 gordbrown Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:14:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16277 My point was that who is he going to pass the ball too? Wallace who can catch but can't score (teams foul him)? Maxiel who can't catch the ball? Prince who is also always double teamed (at least lately)? Hamilton, the 27th best shooting guard in the league?  How many assists does Stuckey lose because Hamilton blows wide wide open jump shots all the time? Stuckey and Gordon work well together. Stuckey, Gordon and McGrady on the floor together will probably work really well. Let's hope we see some of that in 2011. And its obvious jack hasn't watched any games since Billups was traded. My point was that who is he going to pass the ball too? Wallace who can catch but can’t score (teams foul him)? Maxiel who can’t catch the ball? Prince who is also always double teamed (at least lately)? Hamilton, the 27th best shooting guard in the league?  How many assists does Stuckey lose because Hamilton blows wide wide open jump shots all the time? Stuckey and Gordon work well together. Stuckey, Gordon and McGrady on the floor together will probably work really well. Let’s hope we see some of that in 2011. And its obvious jack hasn’t watched any games since Billups was traded.

]]> By: jack http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16276 jack Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:49:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16276 There you go, thats why the offense has sucked since they've told stucky take the reigns. The guyy has no playmaking instinct or skills whatsoever.You just answerd why the offense has been shonky since Billups got traded. Stucky is not a PG and wuill never have the  instinct to be a PG. There you go, thats why the offense has sucked since they’ve told stucky take the reigns. The guyy has no playmaking instinct or skills whatsoever.You just answerd why the offense has been shonky since Billups got traded. Stucky is not a PG and wuill never have the  instinct to be a PG.

]]> By: gordbrown http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/charlie-villanueva-and-ben-gordon-say-team-needs-to-make-in-game-adjustments-but-thats-not-just-a-matter-of-coaching/comment-page-1/#comment-16275 gordbrown Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:40:42 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=4147#comment-16275 jack do you even watch the games? Stuckey is the Pistons leading scorer and every coach in the league knows that stopping Stuckey stops the Pistons offense. Therefore every coach in the league sets their defense to force the ball from Stuckey's hands and to make sure there's a big between Stuckey and the basket at all times. Further, no one in the world would like to see an effective McGrady play 30 minutes a game more than me. Problem is McGrady has yet to prove he can be effective with that work load. Hope he gets there, but until he does we're going to have to make do with what he can do, not what we wish he can do. jack do you even watch the games? Stuckey is the Pistons leading scorer and every coach in the league knows that stopping Stuckey stops the Pistons offense. Therefore every coach in the league sets their defense to force the ball from Stuckey’s hands and to make sure there’s a big between Stuckey and the basket at all times. Further, no one in the world would like to see an effective McGrady play 30 minutes a game more than me. Problem is McGrady has yet to prove he can be effective with that work load. Hope he gets there, but until he does we’re going to have to make do with what he can do, not what we wish he can do.

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