Comments on: Carmelo Anthony trade could allow Pistons to spend $6.5 million in free agency, then re-sign Rodney Stuckey, Tracy McGrady and Jonas Jerebko http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Thu, 23 May 2013 15:29:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: danny http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17503 danny Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:34:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17503 Hamilton for Murphy trade would be good. But what good players are gonna want to come to Detroit? What good is it to have that cap space? Id still rather have it, but trading Hamilton a couple years ago would of been wiser. Hamilton for Murphy trade would be good. But what good players are gonna want to come to Detroit? What good is it to have that cap space? Id still rather have it, but trading Hamilton a couple years ago would of been wiser.

]]> By: danny http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17502 danny Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:31:56 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17502 And how many Lions fans on here werent ashamed of the Lions in 2008? I love that team just as much as anybody, but the organization was a joke at that time. Ive never hid who my home-team was to anybody, despite getting laughed at when I mentioned the Lions. No matter how much you love your team, when you cant sit down and watch them play, it doesnt mean your not loyal, you simply expected more from them since you love them so much. What Gm in their right mind would give Villaneuva the contract he got? Joe D doesnt know what hes doing. I appreciate what hes done for the organization, but its apparent the arrows pointing down, and has been for a couple years. And how many Lions fans on here werent ashamed of the Lions in 2008? I love that team just as much as anybody, but the organization was a joke at that time. Ive never hid who my home-team was to anybody, despite getting laughed at when I mentioned the Lions. No matter how much you love your team, when you cant sit down and watch them play, it doesnt mean your not loyal, you simply expected more from them since you love them so much. What Gm in their right mind would give Villaneuva the contract he got? Joe D doesnt know what hes doing. I appreciate what hes done for the organization, but its apparent the arrows pointing down, and has been for a couple years.

]]> By: danny http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17500 danny Sat, 15 Jan 2011 15:26:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17500 gmhel1977 - Im not giving up on this team, but how can you not be ashamed when they dont play hard? They literally dont even try to play defense. If they still played hard but flat out werent good enough, that would be fine. But these guys dont even try.   patrick hayes - How does Dumars have a history of sustained success? Hes by far made more bad decisions, than good. And I dont care what any mock drafts said, any fool could of seen Darko was a huge risk, and Carmelo was a safer pick. Darko wasnt even starting for his team over-seas.   I still love the Pistons, and will forever. And I understand that every GM is gonna make good decisions and bad ones, but Dumars has made poor choices year after year, and were in the worst situation weve been in, since before we got Grant Hill. Hes invested so much into Stuckey, which was another bad choice. And I dont see how bringing in McGrady was a good choice. He has zero upside, plays no defense, but occasional scores some points. How does that help a team that needs to re-build? gmhel1977 – Im not giving up on this team, but how can you not be ashamed when they dont play hard? They literally dont even try to play defense. If they still played hard but flat out werent good enough, that would be fine. But these guys dont even try.
 
patrick hayes – How does Dumars have a history of sustained success? Hes by far made more bad decisions, than good. And I dont care what any mock drafts said, any fool could of seen Darko was a huge risk, and Carmelo was a safer pick. Darko wasnt even starting for his team over-seas.
 
I still love the Pistons, and will forever. And I understand that every GM is gonna make good decisions and bad ones, but Dumars has made poor choices year after year, and were in the worst situation weve been in, since before we got Grant Hill. Hes invested so much into Stuckey, which was another bad choice. And I dont see how bringing in McGrady was a good choice. He has zero upside, plays no defense, but occasional scores some points. How does that help a team that needs to re-build?

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17481 Patrick Hayes Sat, 15 Jan 2011 03:42:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17481 <p>@danny:</p> <p>Luck or no luck, general managers get credit for making moves that lead to winning, and Dumars has a history of sustained success that only a couple GMs in the league can compare to. I think you're using a bit of revisionist history though. No mock draft in 2003 had Darko going lower than 2, and that was before the draft lottery even happened. But there's plenty of documentation out there for that, no need to re-hash. Dumars certainly isn't immune from criticism. He's made poor decisions as well as good ones. But hell, look at the current team. The McGrady signing? Great move. This Hamilton-for-Murphy trade if it goes through? Great trade. Drafting Jerebko? Great pick. Monroe? Great pick.</p> <p>Also, this point:</p> <p>"And looking at those salaries…..someone name one player on our roster whos not overpaid?"</p> <p>I'll do you a couple better:</p> <p>Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady, Jonas Jerebko (when healthy). Those guys are tremendous values. Yeah, Prince, Hamilton, Gordon are overpaid. Villanueva probably is, but not when you compare him to the highest paid stretch fours in the league (Rashard Lewis, Murphy, Bargnani, Jamison, for example, all make much more and only Bargnani from that group has been more productive than him).</p> <p>Yeah, the team is in a bad situation right now. But one trade, one pick, one free agent signing and they'll be right back competitive again next year. All of it is contingent on the Hamilton trade. If that goes through, the team's immediate future and flexibility changes tremendously.</p> @danny:

Luck or no luck, general managers get credit for making moves that lead to winning, and Dumars has a history of sustained success that only a couple GMs in the league can compare to. I think you’re using a bit of revisionist history though. No mock draft in 2003 had Darko going lower than 2, and that was before the draft lottery even happened. But there’s plenty of documentation out there for that, no need to re-hash. Dumars certainly isn’t immune from criticism. He’s made poor decisions as well as good ones. But hell, look at the current team. The McGrady signing? Great move. This Hamilton-for-Murphy trade if it goes through? Great trade. Drafting Jerebko? Great pick. Monroe? Great pick.

Also, this point:

“And looking at those salaries…..someone name one player on our roster whos not overpaid?”

I’ll do you a couple better:

Ben Wallace, Tracy McGrady, Jonas Jerebko (when healthy). Those guys are tremendous values. Yeah, Prince, Hamilton, Gordon are overpaid. Villanueva probably is, but not when you compare him to the highest paid stretch fours in the league (Rashard Lewis, Murphy, Bargnani, Jamison, for example, all make much more and only Bargnani from that group has been more productive than him).

Yeah, the team is in a bad situation right now. But one trade, one pick, one free agent signing and they’ll be right back competitive again next year. All of it is contingent on the Hamilton trade. If that goes through, the team’s immediate future and flexibility changes tremendously.

]]> By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17480 Laser Sat, 15 Jan 2011 03:39:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17480 thing is, we need a HELL of a big man. not that we know what the new CBA will look like, but $6.5 million isn't enough to get the impact big man we need. and we need one <strong>AT ALL COSTS</strong>. shed maxiell in a heartbeat if you can. or stuckey, gordon, villanueva... any or all of the above. 6.5 just ain't gonna' do it. period.   i just don't think t-mac is the answer. stuckey's "fine," but i'd dump him in a heartbeat if it improved our chances at landing an answer up front. i just can't stand watching this team in limbo any longer (and i'm not talking about the ownership situation). four guards in the rotation is a start. from here, i think a big man is our top priority, then a point guard. and i don't think t-mac is a good fit here. thing is, we need a HELL of a big man. not that we know what the new CBA will look like, but $6.5 million isn’t enough to get the impact big man we need. and we need one AT ALL COSTS. shed maxiell in a heartbeat if you can. or stuckey, gordon, villanueva… any or all of the above. 6.5 just ain’t gonna’ do it. period.
 
i just don’t think t-mac is the answer. stuckey’s “fine,” but i’d dump him in a heartbeat if it improved our chances at landing an answer up front. i just can’t stand watching this team in limbo any longer (and i’m not talking about the ownership situation). four guards in the rotation is a start. from here, i think a big man is our top priority, then a point guard. and i don’t think t-mac is a good fit here.

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17475 gmehl1977 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:40:06 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17475 @Danny <strong>I think you are joke.</strong> You should never be ashamed of being a piston fan. The make up of a true fan is being there for your team when they WIN or LOSE and no matter how bad things get you stick with them no matter what. I am not saying you can't bitch to your friends how bad the players, management or the coaching staff are doing but never be ashamed. Heck get on a blog and vent your frustrations like detpcb, Laser, nuetes, odeh and many others do but being ashamed is just weak. @Danny
I think you are joke. You should never be ashamed of being a piston fan. The make up of a true fan is being there for your team when they WIN or LOSE and no matter how bad things get you stick with them no matter what. I am not saying you can’t bitch to your friends how bad the players, management or the coaching staff are doing but never be ashamed. Heck get on a blog and vent your frustrations like detpcb, Laser, nuetes, odeh and many others do but being ashamed is just weak.

]]> By: danny http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17474 danny Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:38:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17474 And looking at those salaries.....someone name one player on our roster whos not overpaid? Its tragic how this team went from so good, to so bad, so fast. And because of the above overpaid bums, this franchise is years away from competing for anything. And looking at those salaries…..someone name one player on our roster whos not overpaid? Its tragic how this team went from so good, to so bad, so fast. And because of the above overpaid bums, this franchise is years away from competing for anything.

]]> By: danny http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17473 danny Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:36:03 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17473 Brian Hill drawing up plays while Keuster watches and Stuckey cuts his nails? This is a joke. Nice road win over a bad team though. Brian Hill drawing up plays while Keuster watches and Stuckey cuts his nails? This is a joke. Nice road win over a bad team though.

]]> By: gmehl1977 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17472 gmehl1977 Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:33:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17472 About t-mac staying or going I don't know if being on a contender means as much to him as staying healthy is. I just think the guy wants to play and play pain free. He has that with Arnie looking after him. Joe might not want to bring him back so he can fully rebuild. That is IF Joe is there too! About t-mac staying or going I don’t know if being on a contender means as much to him as staying healthy is. I just think the guy wants to play and play pain free. He has that with Arnie looking after him. Joe might not want to bring him back so he can fully rebuild. That is IF Joe is there too!

]]> By: danny http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/comment-page-1/#comment-17469 danny Sat, 15 Jan 2011 02:12:09 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/carmelo-anthony-trade-could-allow-pistons-to-spend-9-million-in-free-agency-then-re-sign-rodney-stuckey-tracy-mcgrady-and-jonas-jerebko/#comment-17469 This team is a joke. I am ashamed to be a Pistons fan. For all the credit Dumars was getting 5 years ago, its apparent he was more lucky, than good. No one could of imagined Billups would emerge the way he did, he made a good trade for Rip then got lucky with Rasheed. Then he drafts Darko over Carmelo because 'we have Tayshaun Prince'. Then proceeds to let Larry Brown walk. He then proceeds to make his biggest mistake yet, by hiring the inadequate Flip Saunders. I screamed at the top of my lungs not to hire him. Any casual fan can tell hes a mediocre coach. He reminds of Wade Phillips in the NFL. Good mind, not a good leader. Then with nothing left to do but dismantle the team, he trades away the most valuable, for salary cap space, which he uses to over-pay Gordon and the lazy Villanueva, and then waits to long to trade (what were role players anyways) Prince and Hamilton, who now have little value. And by the way, Stuckey is no superstar. Fire Dumars. This team is a joke. I am ashamed to be a Pistons fan. For all the credit Dumars was getting 5 years ago, its apparent he was more lucky, than good. No one could of imagined Billups would emerge the way he did, he made a good trade for Rip then got lucky with Rasheed. Then he drafts Darko over Carmelo because ‘we have Tayshaun Prince’. Then proceeds to let Larry Brown walk. He then proceeds to make his biggest mistake yet, by hiring the inadequate Flip Saunders. I screamed at the top of my lungs not to hire him. Any casual fan can tell hes a mediocre coach. He reminds of Wade Phillips in the NFL. Good mind, not a good leader. Then with nothing left to do but dismantle the team, he trades away the most valuable, for salary cap space, which he uses to over-pay Gordon and the lazy Villanueva, and then waits to long to trade (what were role players anyways) Prince and Hamilton, who now have little value. And by the way, Stuckey is no superstar. Fire Dumars.

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