Comments on: Will the Pistons reduce Richard Hamilton’s and Tayshaun Prince’s roles? http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Thu, 23 May 2013 11:13:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Laser http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14175 Laser Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:37:05 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14175 pcb, i'll take my track record and reputation over yours any day, and i doubt anyone who's paid any attention to us would disagree. pcb, i’ll take my track record and reputation over yours any day, and i doubt anyone who’s paid any attention to us would disagree.

]]> By: Jacob http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14167 Jacob Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:42:08 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14167 In theory I guess I understand the logic behind these moves, but in actuality I don't think it's a good idea. I know Dan posted this before last night's game and it's only one game, but it's hard to imagine BG having a half the likes of which Rip had in the 1st half. He moved without the ball brilliantly and was incredibly efficient shooting. If he can control his temper, I think Rip is more valuable to this team than BG at this time. Tay has had his struggles but he is still a great presence and brings more to the table than Daye could right now<strong>. </strong>Besides, if they were to bench Tay, T-Mac would deserve the starting SF spot with the way he's improving and getting more comfortable with his health, so that wouldn't answer the problem of developing the younger players. Also, if we want Rip and Tay to be bait to bring back something good in a trade (which most fans want), doesn't benching them lower their value. Even if the season becomes a wash, which I don't think it will in the weak East, playing Rip and Tay is still the best thing for this team at the moment. Plus, consider their body of work the last 8 years. They were key pieces to a great Pistons era, and you're going to bench them when it's not even their fault? C'mon In theory I guess I understand the logic behind these moves, but in actuality I don’t think it’s a good idea. I know Dan posted this before last night’s game and it’s only one game, but it’s hard to imagine BG having a half the likes of which Rip had in the 1st half. He moved without the ball brilliantly and was incredibly efficient shooting. If he can control his temper, I think Rip is more valuable to this team than BG at this time. Tay has had his struggles but he is still a great presence and brings more to the table than Daye could right now. Besides, if they were to bench Tay, T-Mac would deserve the starting SF spot with the way he’s improving and getting more comfortable with his health, so that wouldn’t answer the problem of developing the younger players. Also, if we want Rip and Tay to be bait to bring back something good in a trade (which most fans want), doesn’t benching them lower their value. Even if the season becomes a wash, which I don’t think it will in the weak East, playing Rip and Tay is still the best thing for this team at the moment. Plus, consider their body of work the last 8 years. They were key pieces to a great Pistons era, and you’re going to bench them when it’s not even their fault? C’mon

]]> By: detroitpcb http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14155 detroitpcb Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:57:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14155 laser as usual is completely wrong. Tay has been playing well and the team has been losing and those two things are not unrelated. If you notice things like ball movement (and without ball movement this Pistons team is terrible) all ball movement stops when tay gets the ball. Tay fancies himself the go-to man on this team - and has taken that role of "i can score on my man anytime when necessary" role - and he often does - and the Pistons are losing. plus Tay never blocks out on defense and his man is always free to go to the glass and that has killed the Pistons in several games. laser as usual is completely wrong. Tay has been playing well and the team has been losing and those two things are not unrelated. If you notice things like ball movement (and without ball movement this Pistons team is terrible) all ball movement stops when tay gets the ball. Tay fancies himself the go-to man on this team – and has taken that role of “i can score on my man anytime when necessary” role – and he often does – and the Pistons are losing.

plus Tay never blocks out on defense and his man is always free to go to the glass and that has killed the Pistons in several games.

]]> By: Jose Vasquez http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14126 Jose Vasquez Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:21:20 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14126 TRACY MC GRADY TRACY MC GRADY

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14065 Patrick Hayes Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:41:08 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14065 <p>@nuetes:</p> <p>To me, there's a lot of logic to them, particularly in the case of Hamilton. Ben Gordon played significantly better than Hamilton as a starter. Hamilton has been pretty bad for about two and a half seasons now. Probably time to look at Gordon as the primary shooting guard.</p> <p>Prince is more difficult. I think he's better than Daye right now.</p> <p>As Dan said, these are last resort kind of moves. But Kuester is a coach that is being judged by wins and losses, so if the team keeps losing as he tinkers with virtually every other spot in the lineup, at some point, he's gonna have to look at those two spots.</p> @nuetes:

To me, there’s a lot of logic to them, particularly in the case of Hamilton. Ben Gordon played significantly better than Hamilton as a starter. Hamilton has been pretty bad for about two and a half seasons now. Probably time to look at Gordon as the primary shooting guard.

Prince is more difficult. I think he’s better than Daye right now.

As Dan said, these are last resort kind of moves. But Kuester is a coach that is being judged by wins and losses, so if the team keeps losing as he tinkers with virtually every other spot in the lineup, at some point, he’s gonna have to look at those two spots.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14064 Patrick Hayes Wed, 15 Dec 2010 01:38:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14064 <p>I have to agree with Feldman on Prince.</p> <p>He hasn't been the Pistons' best player, Wallace has. And Laser will disagree vehemently, but Stuckey has been better than Prince this year. I know all of the complaints on Stuckey that Laser articulates and I know that you hold him to a higher standard. But he's getting to the line a lot this year, putting up solid rebounding numbers for a PG (or, at least better rebounding numbers relative to PGs than Prince's are relative to SFs), averaging nearly 6 assists a game to Prince's 2 and even getting a steal a game.</p> <p>He's not a franchise player be any stretch, but he's been better than Prince for sure.</p> I have to agree with Feldman on Prince.

He hasn’t been the Pistons’ best player, Wallace has. And Laser will disagree vehemently, but Stuckey has been better than Prince this year. I know all of the complaints on Stuckey that Laser articulates and I know that you hold him to a higher standard. But he’s getting to the line a lot this year, putting up solid rebounding numbers for a PG (or, at least better rebounding numbers relative to PGs than Prince’s are relative to SFs), averaging nearly 6 assists a game to Prince’s 2 and even getting a steal a game.

He’s not a franchise player be any stretch, but he’s been better than Prince for sure.

]]> By: Dan Feldman http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14044 Dan Feldman Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:40:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14044 <p>Laser, nuetes,</p> <p>Prince hasn't been great. His defense has been lackluster. His passing and rebounding aren't near what they used to be. He's gotten his scoring average up, but his shooting percentage is down.</p> <p><span style="font-size: 10px;">I'm not saying I expect this as a short-term move. I expect more tweaks before you see something this distract.</span></p> <p><span style="font-size: 10px;"><span style="font-size: 10px;"> <p>Prince OK, but I'm not convinced he'll be better than Daye in a month.</p> </span></span></p> <p>Players like Gordon and Daye are hungry. They have something to prove. Prince and Hamilton are playing like they don't, and that might be even more accurate after another month of losing.</p> <p>I think sending Hamilton and/or Prince could accomplish a number of things if the Pistons playoff chances continue to erode. Maybe their backups are better than we think. Maybe getting younger players more playing time will be valuable in the long run.</p> <p>At a certain point, and we're not there yet, it's worth the Pistons discussing seriously.</p> Laser, nuetes,

Prince hasn’t been great. His defense has been lackluster. His passing and rebounding aren’t near what they used to be. He’s gotten his scoring average up, but his shooting percentage is down.

I’m not saying I expect this as a short-term move. I expect more tweaks before you see something this distract.

Prince OK, but I’m not convinced he’ll be better than Daye in a month.

Players like Gordon and Daye are hungry. They have something to prove. Prince and Hamilton are playing like they don’t, and that might be even more accurate after another month of losing.

I think sending Hamilton and/or Prince could accomplish a number of things if the Pistons playoff chances continue to erode. Maybe their backups are better than we think. Maybe getting younger players more playing time will be valuable in the long run.

At a certain point, and we’re not there yet, it’s worth the Pistons discussing seriously.

]]> By: nuetes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14041 nuetes Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:15:21 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14041 whoa whoa first explain to me the logic of these proposed moves. i'm serious. what's the logic behind it? is it because the season is lost and we're benching them to rot for the rest of eternity? or is it because through some insane reasoning the thought of benching them would make us a better team?   if it's the latter then people need a reality check. gordon and daye are not any better than rip and prince. in fact odds are we would be even worse, which means the only logic acceptable is that the season is lost and rip and prince are being sent to the cellar to live out their days while the team tanks even further. i guess i just don't understand any of this. it's one thing to trade them, but to just remove either from the lineup makes absolutely no sense to me. because it seems like someone is assuming one of them is the problem, and maybe they are, but there isn't a solution. gordon is not a solution. he's just as bad as rip. daye isn't a solution, he's too inexperienced. unless this fixes the front court there isn't much that's going to change by benching either rip or prince. whoa whoa first explain to me the logic of these proposed moves. i’m serious. what’s the logic behind it? is it because the season is lost and we’re benching them to rot for the rest of eternity? or is it because through some insane reasoning the thought of benching them would make us a better team?
 
if it’s the latter then people need a reality check. gordon and daye are not any better than rip and prince. in fact odds are we would be even worse, which means the only logic acceptable is that the season is lost and rip and prince are being sent to the cellar to live out their days while the team tanks even further. i guess i just don’t understand any of this. it’s one thing to trade them, but to just remove either from the lineup makes absolutely no sense to me. because it seems like someone is assuming one of them is the problem, and maybe they are, but there isn’t a solution. gordon is not a solution. he’s just as bad as rip. daye isn’t a solution, he’s too inexperienced. unless this fixes the front court there isn’t much that’s going to change by benching either rip or prince.

]]> By: Jacob http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14038 Jacob Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:59:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14038 I like Laser's last point......Max has got to go back to the bench.....its like when he doesn't play for a while he gets a fire lit under him and does fine when given the next opportunity.....then after he becomes a regular starter he gets content to being mediocre at best again......I don't know just conjecturing I like Laser’s last point……Max has got to go back to the bench…..its like when he doesn’t play for a while he gets a fire lit under him and does fine when given the next opportunity…..then after he becomes a regular starter he gets content to being mediocre at best again……I don’t know just conjecturing

]]> By: What would a shortened Pistons rotation look like? | Life On Dumars | A Detroit Pistons Blog http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/comment-page-1/#comment-14032 What would a shortened Pistons rotation look like? | Life On Dumars | A Detroit Pistons Blog Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:50:02 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/12/will-the-pistons-reduce-richard-hamiltons-and-tayshaun-princes-roles/#comment-14032 [...] says: I think this paragraph from Ellis – who’s probably the most connected beat writer covering [...] [...] says: I think this paragraph from Ellis – who’s probably the most connected beat writer covering [...]

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