Looking back: Would the Detroit Pistons have still won a NBA title if they didn’t trade Adrian Dantley for Mark Aguirre?
Periodically, I’m going to start trying to mix in some Pistons history posts. Because hey, it beats talking about sour stomachs, right?
My mom doesn’t watch sports much, but because she was forced to live in a house with basketball-obsessed men most of her life, she eventually grew some passing interest in the game, particularly when the Pistons were at their peaks in the late 1980s and the mid 2000s.
As the 1980s Pistons were growing into title contenders, there was one player who she loved and rooted for more than all of the others: Adrian Dantley.
Looking at Dantley’s game, it’s easy to see why someone who is not really a sports fan would love him. His game transcended basketball, not because he was flashy or physically more talented, but because he got every ounce of ability out of his body. An undersized power forward, Dantley consistently shot better than 50 percent from the field despite the fact that he did most of his damage in the paint against much taller players.
And unlike some of the undersized PFs of today — think Paul Milsap or even Jason Maxiell — Dantley didn’t have the advantage of explosive athleticism to make up for his lack of height. Dantley could barely get off the ground. Who couldn’t root for a player who, despite looking out of place among the gigantic men at his position, still went out and routinely dominated them offensively using simply craftiness and intelligence?
Dantley was the king of the jab-step. He spoke at a camp I attended when I was 15, and he tried to put a bunch of junior high and high school kids through an intense series of footwork drills that featured initial moves, counter-moves, pump-fakes, pull-ups and an array of different ways to score out of the face-up position. I scored my first (and one of only three I would make all season … I was terrible) rec-league basket by employing a weak version of Dantley’s jab-right, sweep the ball through to create space, elevate and bank it in from just outside the block move.
Dantley was a huge part of the Pistons becoming a title contender in the 1980s. In Detroit’s first NBA Finals appearance, Isiah Thomas’s sprained ankle/25-point third quarter is understandably the lasting memory from a heart-breaking seven-game loss to the Lakers. But a forgotten element of that series is that Dantley had an unreal performance of his own, scoring 34 points on 14-of-16 shooting in the Pistons’ game one win in L.A.
When Dantley was traded during the following season, my mom was devastated, as were many fans. She even named my younger brother, who was born in 1990, ‘Adrian’ because she had grown to love Dantley and what he represented so much. I was still a bit too young to realize all of the off-court controversy created by the trade, which netted the Pistons Isiah Thomas’s boyhood friend Mark Aguirre from Dallas.
And although Pistons fans still remember, probably in great detail, just how upset many were about the trade, the fact that the team won a title after the trade healed a lot of those wounds.
I think it’s interesting to look back at one of the most controversial trades in Pistons history, considering the current Pistons are still reeling after another controversial trade (Billups for Iverson) that, uh, wasn’t followed up by quite so much on-court success.
After the deal was made, Mitch Albom recounted just what Dantley had meant to the team:
Farewell to the Teacher. Farewell to that body, hard and strong, and that face, which always seemed halfway between amusement and anger. Adrian Dantley came in with a bad reputation, and, ironically, he leaves in exchange for one. Known as selfish, moody and a ball-hog when he arrived in Detroit, he proved critics wrong, leading the Pistons to their best season ever, playing a role, muscling against giants, spinning and whirling and desiring his way to the hoop. He even sent himself to the hospital once diving for a basketball. Diving? Adrian Dantley? And now, suddenly, he has been traded to Dallas for a guy named Mark Aguirre, who has a reputation for being . . . selfish, moody and a ball-hog.
Go figure.
Now, Dantley had a well-documented prickly reputation at times, so he was not necessarily beloved by all of his teammates in Detroit. But one, in particular, was Joe Dumars. SI’s Jack McCallum wrote this after the trade:
Thomas’s backcourt mate, Joe Dumars, was deeply saddened that Dantley, who had been his best friend among his teammates, was gone, but he held his tongue about the deal. In a gesture of respect, Dumars requested a DANTLEY 45 jersey as a keepsake.
Dumars also told SLAM a few years ago that, “Adrian is my favorite teammate ever.”
Albom quoted John Salley on the trade as well:
“Bleep!” said John Salley, when informed of the news Wednesday morning. “How could they trade The Teacher? He was my mentor. A lot of the guys felt that way. I like Mark (Aguirre). He’s OK. But AD did a lot for us.”
(Part of me hopes that Salley actually said ‘Bleep!’ rather than an actual swear word).
There were certainly other opinions on the trade however.
Bill Laimbeer, for instance, wasn’t opposed to it:
“He (Dantley) came in during a transitional period when we were moving from being a free-wheeling offensive team to a more methodical defensive-oriented team, and he fit right in to a disciplined offensive structure. But I think our team just outgrew Adrian Dantley. Joe D was about to come into his own, and it was important that we had more ball movement, and that was not Adrian’s strength.”
Laimbeer’s reasoning lays out the basketball side of it, expounded on by a Detroit Bad Boys reader in 2007:
I remember Michael Jordan saying that without Dantley, the Pistons had no go-to scorer. We all loved “The Teacher”, and the trade saw many fans turn against Isiah Thomas, as he was scapegoated for bringing in Mark Aguirre. The arrival of Aguirre ceded playing time to Dennis Rodman, whose ability to limit Scottie Pippen and roam so aggressively on defense was key to suppressing the Bulls for another season.
Although the trade did make basketball sense — who could argue that finding more minutes for Rodman wasn’t a good thing? — there were persistent rumors that Thomas was the driving force behind the trade, largely because Dantley believed that to be the case, according to Albom:
Here is the way Dantley saw it: “It’s Isiah’s team. He calls the shots. That guy (Aguirre) is his friend and he wants to play with his friend. If Chuck has to make a call, who do you think he’s gonna side with?”
And Dantley’s opinion didn’t change with time. Here’s what he told SLAM just a few years ago:
“I know he was behind the trade,” Dantley says. “It’s not a question; it’s a fact.”
In that same SLAM article, Thomas issued a strong denial while — in true Isiah fashion — saying the trade was in the best interest of the team even though he wasn’t pushing for it.
Thomas flatly and inconclusively denies that he orchestrated Dantley’s trade. “Go back and look in the books,” Thomas says. “When that trade was made, we were in second place in our division, six games behind the Cavaliers. After Aguirre came, we went 37-4 and went from a team struggling to score 92 points to a team averaging almost 103. And we got our ring. So it was a good trade, but it wasn’t my decision. I was a player, not the GM.”
To be fair (kind of) to Thomas, Dantley’s relationship with Chuck Daly played a role in the decision to trade him as well:
The Pistons went just 8-6 in January while Dantley’s relationship with head coach Chuck Daly had begun to deteriorate, according to Steve Addy of the Oakland Press: “There was tension between Daly and Dantley; the coach felt he was holding the ball too long, leaving the offense scrambling for last-second shots. The Pistons also felt A.D. wasn’t getting to the foul line enough.”
It’s difficult to second-guess a trade that helped the Pistons go on a major second half run and win a championship, even if conspiracy theories about Thomas orchestrating the deal are true. But it’s also difficult to fault Dantley for being bitter about the situation. His presence in Detroit made the Pistons a contending team, and had he not been traded, it’s possible he would’ve won a title, something that eluded him his final few seasons as he played on non-playoff teams before retiring.
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Dec 20, 2010 • 4:17 pm
by Kevin
In the 80′s I hated Detroit –me being a Laker fan. But, when this trade went down, I felt so sorry for AD. I just remembering him destroying AC Green or anyone else that was on him in the playoffs. It seemed like the Pistons were going to win the title with him and was pretty upset that they traded him to a Dallas team that wasn’t really in the running. I felt that AD deserved a chance. I remember how upset he was after the trade. I think Dallas said they’d charter flights like the Pistons had been doing.
Dec 20, 2010 • 4:48 pm
by Jonas Snow
It’s been a while since I read the book The Franchise by Cameron Stauth but the GM Jack McCloskey goes into great detail about why he made that trade. It wasn’t Isiah or Chuck Dalys idea, McCloskey knew he had to make the trade to put the team over the top.
You should check out that book it’s one of the best NBA books out there, you can pick it up for a penny on Amazon.
Dec 20, 2010 • 5:27 pm
by Steve_Stipanovich
You can never convince me otherwise that the team couldn’t have won the title WITH AD instead of Aguirre.
Whether or not it was true, the perception was that Isiah got his Chicago boy in. And no matter how McCloskey tries to sell it, that’s how it was and is still remembered.
Dec 20, 2010 • 6:18 pm
by Gregory Orfalea
I have nothing but respect for Adrian Dantley, a kind, friendly, and knowledgeable man about baseball, not to mention basketball. We raised our kids together. Before our DC team was going to the Little League World Series Quarterfinals, he counseled “mental toughness.” (We had some, but not enough–New Jersey beat us and went on to win it all). AD put on a little spontaneous exhibition at our send-off barbeque; his son Cameron, our stellar third baseball, hit 7 of 10 twenty-footers at a backyard hoop. Old Dad hit 10 of 10, at the age of 49! He’s been a fine coach for Denver. And whatever went down in Detroit, let’s not forget who was singlehandedly responsible for breaking the all-time win record (72) of the UCLA Bruins, locking down Bill Walton in the process–Notre Dame’s Adrian Dantley.
Dec 20, 2010 • 7:15 pm
by detroitpcb
like your Mom i loved AD but……the real key is that very last sentence in the quote from Steve Addy. The refs had stopped giving AD his calls and he was not getting to the line. And yes, AD was a much worse version of Tay – all ball movement stopped when he has the ball. But they had lived with that. It was the fact that he was no longer producing at the same level because the refs stopped blowing the whistle for him that got him shipped out of town.
Dec 20, 2010 • 7:47 pm
by Jimmy
Bill Simmons discussed this in his Book of Basketball. From the sound of it, Dantley had been bristling with the coach and/or other players. This disrupted the team chemistry. Aguirre wasn’t as good a player as Dantley, but he was more willing to defer to Dennis Rodman and cooperate with the team and coahc. It was that increase in team chemistry and cohesiveness that got the Pistons over the top.
Dec 21, 2010 • 3:08 am
by frankie d
dantley got screwed.
the team could have won with him, as it did with aguirre, but isiah started sabotaging the team. he would simply refuse to pass the ball to dantley. dantley would often be wide open, posted low, with great position and thomas would obviously ignore him and rotate the ball to the other side.
it was one of the most amazing periods of watching nba ball that i’ve ever seen. and the sight of that kind of open, childish, on court conflict soured me on isiah forever.
so, yes, it is true that the team was not playing particularly well when the trade was made. but to anyone watching the team play, the reason was obvious: zeke was letting his rivalry with dantley impact on the way he played on the court. and because he was the point guard, and because he had the ball in his hands most times, and because he was such a strong leader, he had a huge impact on how every player on the court performed.
at a certain point, zeke decided that he was going to run dantley out of town and he was ultimately successful. imho, it was not because he wanted aguirre, though aguirre ended up being the beneficiary. he just hated dantley, for a number of reasons, and because he was the biggest dog on the block, he ultimately got his wish, and dantley got exiled, right on the verge of achieving his dream of winning a title.
life aint fair, and it is not the biggest deal in the world, or even nba history. but that entire situation revealed everything you need to know about zeke: the good, the bad and the ugly.
Dec 21, 2010 • 9:08 am
by Patrick Hayes
@Jonas:
I’ll check it out. Thanks for the head’s up!
Dec 21, 2010 • 9:15 am
by Patrick Hayes
@Gregory:
Dantley has been a phenomenal player at every level, starting in high school at the legendary DeMatha Catholic.
At the camp I went to where Dantley was one of the speakers, he was the only one of the pro/college coaches who actually stayed all day. The others just kind of gave a quick talk, signed a few autographs and left. AD stayed for about four hours, and he drilled footwork into every player. His techniques in individual drills are unlike anything I’ve ever seen, and I’ve shared a bunch of his drills with some of the HS coaches I know over the years.
Dec 21, 2010 • 9:29 am
by Patrick Hayes
@Jimmy:
I don’t know how much Aguirre was “willing” to defer. I think he really had no choice. He was called a malcontent in Dallas and he was known for playing half-assed. In Detroit, before he’d even played a game, Isiah and Laimbeer took him out to dinner and basically told him flat out that the team wouldn’t stand for that here, so he fell in line. I think that Isiah/Laimbeer culture was too much for anyone to stand up to. Like it or not, they set the tone for the team, and as Dantley proved, if you weren’t lock-step with what they wanted, you were out.
Dec 1, 2011 • 8:10 pm
by Ben
I don’t understand why you’re focusing on the word “willing” regarding Mark Aguirre’s play in Detroit; are you implying that he didn’t want to give up shots or cede playing time to Dennis Rodman, and only did so out of fear that Isiah and Bill Laimbeer would turn on him? The only reason for that argument I can see is to undercut the facts: a player who didn’t fit in or win titles in Dallas did both in Detroit. Aguirre deserves credit for making the trade work, not blame for sins he never committed, and for doing what he needed to do.
Dec 22, 2010 • 6:11 am
by Dan Feldman
I think the Pistons still would have won with Dantley, but they were better with Aguirre for the precise reason you mentioned — Rodman had a bigger role.
Mar 16, 2013 • 8:09 am
by David Jonas
I think the Pistons would have won with Dantley, but can’t argue against the trade as it worked out well for the Pistons. I do feel bad for Dantley as he helped turn the Pistons from a playoff team into a championship contender and then didn’t get to reap the rewards. I do believe that Isiah was behind the trade as although he was “just a player” as he claimed, he was the franchise player and team leader and you can bet that he would have strong influence over any trades that were made involving key players just like any other team leader would.
Mar 21, 2013 • 3:20 pm
by Darryl Wright
I commented yesterday on a blog regarding the impact Len Bias had on the Washington, DC basketball fan. Having grown up in Southwest Washington, DC I remember vividly watching AD work hard to become the player that rightly should had been inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame. When at home from Notre Dame, he would regularly work on his moves and shot on the basketball court at Jefferson Jr. High School, where I was a student and basketball player. I remember it like it was yesterday. I remember vividly also the CLASSIC High School championship game that pitted AD and Kenny Carr against Larry Wright and a host of talented players, who I had the privilege of learning how to play the game from, Chester Baxter, June Lightly, John Smith, Stan Mayhew, Reggie Newby etc. The competition that included some of the best pros, college players, and high school players from all across the city, in the Jefferson Jr. High School gym over the summer’s were memoriable. AD went on to Notre Dame and had a stellar ALL-AMERICAN career and became the key component on the ’76 Olympic squad. From there I followed his career blossom in the NBA as one of the leagues most consummate professionals, not to mention one of the leagues most prolific scorers. I have disliked Isaiah Thomas since the time he orchestrated the trade that sent AD to the Jazz, costing him what I believe would have d resulted in him being an NBA Champion. I was to young to remember with clarity the Elgin Baylor and Dave Bing careers, but I’m definitely grateful as a basketball fan and Washingtonian to have watched Adrian Dantley, who in my mind outside of Lenny Bias was the Best to have come out of DC. My opinion!!!!! Had AD stayed in the DC area to play collegiately before accomplishing what he did on the professional level, he would have had a street named after him. I’m all for an Adrian Dantley Drive in DC! Definitely and AD fan……..