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Zach Randolph wants to join Detroit Pistons

Chris Mannix of Sports Illustrated (hat tip: Detroit Bad Boys):

Zach Randolph, PF, Memphis His six-year, $84 million contract expires after this season, and a league source says he’s not happy that the Grizzlies didn’t offer him an extension. Randolph, 29, has put up 20 and 10 in each of the past two seasons and last year shrugged off the loser label by powering Memphis to a 16-win improvement, earning his first All-Star berth. If the Grizzlies, who committed $82 million to Rudy Gay this summer and will have to spend big to retain free agents Marc Gasol and Mike Conley, are looking to deal, multiple sources say Randolph’s preferred destination is Detroit, where he would fill the gaping hole in the Pistons’ frontcourt.

Tayshaun Prince for Zach Randolph, potentially? I’d do it.

Correction: Thanks to commenter pistons Poland for pointing out Chris Wilcox or Jason Maxiell would have to be included for the trade to work under the cap. Obviously, I’d still do it.

Update: Randolph’s agent, Raymond Brothers, gave Ronald Tillery of The Memphis Commercial-Appeal a standard denial:

"There’s no truth to that rumor," Brothers said. "All Zach needs is a basketball and a court to play on to be happy. Zach’s happy. He loves Memphis. That’s nonsense."

Maybe that’s true. Maybe it’s not. But Brothers saying it does nothing to convince me.

33 Comments

  • Nov 9, 20104:22 pm
    by Glenn

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    Agreed.  Between Daye and McGrady, the hole Prince leaves could be filled well enough.  Maxiell would really be out of the rotation then, and finally become a “bad” contract.
    Although I’d hate rewarding Prince’s years of hard work by sending him to be Gay’s backup.

  • Nov 9, 20104:28 pm
    by pistons Poland

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    I got a good news. Randolph only for Tay or Rip is impossible because of salaries. but if we add Maxiell to this trade it works perfectly. Maxx wont see much time in our rotation this season, and I think we all agree he should go. He would be a great fit in Grizzlies and I hope we could send Rip with him for Randolph. that would be just AWESOMMMMMMME

  • Nov 9, 20104:40 pm
    by nuetes

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    I’d be all for Randolph, but we make bad trade partners for Memphis. They have Conley, Mayo, and Gay at the 1, 2, and 3. I have no idea what we could offer, and Memphis has zero reason to trade him. They aren’t going to sell low on him. They would want Monroe and I’d have to say NO. Unless by some miracle they would take CV in the package then maybe we can get somewhere. CV/Prince/Summers for Randolph? Guy makes $17 mil it’s not going to be easy.

  • Nov 9, 20104:50 pm
    by Steve

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    True, Tay for Randolph doesn’t work straight up, but Tay and Wilcox does.

  • Nov 9, 20104:55 pm
    by nuetes

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    Randolph expires himself. They aren’t going to take solely expirings in return.

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  • Nov 9, 20105:16 pm
    by bball4224

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    let’s do it… NOW!

  • Nov 9, 20105:18 pm
    by gmehl1977

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    I agree with Steve. Tay and Max for Randolph would be something Memphis would have to think about. Maybe a 3rd team would have to be included but if Randolph wants to leave then you would think they would have to grant his wish.
    Wallace, Randolph, Daye, Hamilton, Stuckey looks a lot better than what we have now.

  • Nov 9, 20105:57 pm
    by Jason

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    Now this is the best trade proposal that i have heard about the Pistons – in a long LONG time…

  • Nov 9, 20106:08 pm
    by Vince

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    Rip, Max, possibly Summers and a conditional first round pick sounds like a deal to me, if Randolph is unhappy in Memphis I don’t think they’ll want to keep him around too long, if he becomes too hard to handle and impacts team chemistry in a bad way, I think the Grizzlies will consider any trade from Detroit.

  • Nov 9, 20106:08 pm
    by Laser

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    it’s true that memphis is going to want SOMETHING for randolph. expiring contracts aren’t enough. they’ll surely want some young talent or draft picks, and i’m not sure what i’d be willing to part with, even though i love z-bo and we could use him BADLY.
     
    the best thing that comes to mind is tayshaun and stuckey for z-bo. i wouldn’t want to give up jonas, daye or monroe. and i CERTAINLY wouldn’t want to give up whatever kick-ass lottery pick we’ll be in line for this year. but i think z-bo would be a good return for tayshaun and stuckey.
     
    alternately, if he really wants to play here, maybe we can unload the necessary contracts to offer randolph a reasonable contract.

  • Nov 9, 20106:16 pm
    by Vince

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    @ Laser, as much as I would like for us to pickup a lottery pick with our first round pick, Prince and Stuckey are too valuable to the team to send them off, even for Z-Bo, Rip, Max and that first round pick would give them something to think about

  • Nov 9, 20106:21 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    novtrade 1st round pick

    no trade Monroe. Daye, JJ, or Stuck
    .
    Everybody else is in play. Prince & Max sounds like a good deal for both sides.

  • Nov 9, 20106:25 pm
    by Alan

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    As much as he’d help, lets temper our enthusiasm.  Randolph is an expiring contract and its not like we’d get him for our playoff push.  So, why trade for a player that could walk at season’s end?  It only works if Memphis took an underperforming contract, like Maxiell.

  • Nov 9, 20106:41 pm
    by Odeh

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    Although I like Randolph and hes pretty much been a career 20-10 guy, I don’t think he puts us over the top as playoffs contenders.  We would still be no better than a 5th seed in the East.  This guy has had attitude problems in the past and does not have the motor or defensive intensity needed to be championship contenders.  I say we go all in for Josh Smith and throw Prince, and Daye at them to see if they bite.  If not, Randolph is an upgrade but don’t set your expectations too high.  He hasn’t won very often his whole career except for Memphis last year and doesn’t have that killer instinct.  Also, Randolph thrives because they have a 7 foot defensive presence in Gasol who clogs up the middle.  We don’t have that here which will cause his production to slide.  If we get him we are a 45 win team…without him we are a 35 win team.

  • Nov 9, 20106:55 pm
    by Laser

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    @vince: tayshaun’s more valuable to this team as trade bait. we can’t afford to extend him, and we’ve got plenty of small forwards in waiting, thanks to the 2009 draft. safe bet tayshaun’s not a piston by season’s end. certainly wouldn’t be smart to keep him around, much as i love the guy. and as for stuckey, he would be a fine player on most NBA teams, but we’ve made MAJOR commitments to rip and gordon for the next 3-4 years respectively. and we’ve all seen how impotent a stuckey/rip/bynum/gordon backcourt rotation is. so do we stay the course and try to magically improve our team without giving up anything, or do we move around some pieces to get this team on the right track? in a perfect world, we can afford to keep stuckey because rip and gordon aren’t combining to eat almost half our cap space. but joe made this bed, and something’s got to give, right? if he can’t move rip, stuckey makes a logical choice. you’re not turning this thing around without moving some pieces.
     
    i don’t think memphis turns randolph into “rip hamilton + anything,” with the needs of that team and all the money he’s owed. unless memphis thinks rip’s the veteran leader that team needs (they don’t, and he isn’t). but the fact that you think rip, max and a pick would be enough to get randolph shows you’re at least a little out of touch. but you’re far from alone; there are a lot of people who toss around crazy trade ideas the other team would never consider.
     
     
    @pcb: see my first paragraph about stuckey. as high as this team is on him, i don’t see how we move forward without shipping him out. unless you’re content to wait 3-4 years to be decent. because rip and gordon are LOCKED THE F UP, playa’! LOCKED THE F UP. do you like what you’ve seen so far from a stuckey/rip/gordon/bynum backcourt? could anyone? something’s got to give. if you can’t move one of those MASSIVE contracts, you’ve got to either move stuckey or continue to be awful for the foreseeable future. why not think realistically here?
     
    and “prince & max” sounds like a dream come true for detroit and the worst thing in the world for memphis. i don’t know what some of you people are thinking.
     
    @alan: if we’re getting randolph, i figure some kind of extension will be involved. sounds from the report like the fact that memphis won’t extend him is at the heart of the issue here. but even if we traded tay and wilcox for z-bo (which would never, ever happen), it’s still a sure upgrade.

  • Nov 9, 20106:55 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    ythe Pistons would have to be crazy to trade Prince & Daye for josh smith

    maybe Prince & Summers or Prince & Wallace. You do not give up Austin Daye in that trade for josh smith

    and i would point out that Randolphs offensive effectiveness is not likely to be harmed by leaving Gasol behind and pairing with Wallace and/or Monroe. He will get plenty of touches and he would definitely still get his 10 boards. And he may not be a great defender but he always has had a motor on the offensive end. He is willing to work inside. He would be a good fit in exchange for Prince & Max. He solves a lot of problems and you still have your 1st round pick to take another big man. if Memphis would do it, i’d pull the trigger. Stuckey, Rip or Gordon, Daye, Randolph, & Wallace or Monroe is a pretty good lineup considering that you have the other two, plus Bynum, CV, & T-Mac on the bench. That team could complete.

  • Nov 9, 20106:57 pm
    by Reggie

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    “We would still be no better than a 5th seed in the East.”…that is alot better than what we are now. I would rather do Rip and Max since we already have a crowded backcourt. Even if Randolph doesn’t work out, you have him and Prince coming off the books and you can potentially get a free agent worthwhile in 2011.

  • Nov 9, 20107:00 pm
    by Odeh

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    Another note:  We have a very unathletic and small front court and although Randolph is 260 pounds he’s only 6’9″ and doesn’t have much leaping ability.  He’s never averaged more than 0.5 blocks a game in his career so we’d still lack interior defense heavily.  Again, I would pull the trigger though if we can’t get Josh Smith.  But, I would also look at all other options because you still have Gortat, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Samuel Damlembert, Jason Thompson, Tyson Chandler, Kendrik Perkins, Big Baby, Chris Kaman, Kevin Love, Emeka Okafor, and maybe one of the Portland dudes who might be reasonably available.  My first choice would be Josh Smith, followed by Chris Kaman, Nene, Tyson Chandler, and Okafor (although I don’t think NOH is as willing to deal him as they were in the summer)

  • Nov 9, 20107:03 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    @laser

    the pistons are not going to extend Randolph or anybody else until they know what the new agreement is.

    i like what i have seen from Stuckey so far. I like that Stuckey/Gordon backcourt. Stuckey is making better passes. He is getting to the line. He is hitting his shot (inside the 3 point line) at a higher percentage. Right now would be the worst time to part with him as far as value in return. I think he had more 2 years ago (the Rondo offer) and will have more again after this season ends than he does rith now.

  • Nov 9, 20107:04 pm
    by Alan

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    @Laser,
    I agree Randolph is an upgrade and he and Villanueva would make a great 1-2 punch at PF.  But come on, what would you give up and what kind of contract would you want to give a guy that has a reputation as not a winner, not in shape, and turns 30 this summer?
     
    If you ask me, I don’t want to give up much and I want a hometown discount.

  • Nov 9, 20107:07 pm
    by Alan

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    Like yesterdays trade with ATL…I think the media owes us another apology.  This trade ain’t happenin

  • Nov 9, 20107:16 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    Randolph does not solve our need for a defensive presence. Maybe we could trade CV & get a young defender. Or use our first round pick on that type of tall athletic player.

    i’m sure Joe will check into Kaman, Love , Okafor, Nene, Gorat, Perkins, Big Baby. Given the way he has played so far NO is probably not looking to deal Okafor. I also don’t see Perkins, Nene or Chandler going anywhere (and those are your defenders) and i doubt that Minnesota is stupid enough to trade Love – though i would grab him if they put him on the market. Kaman might hit the market if LAC keeps losing, and i like him too – don’t want Martin or Damlembert – Thompson or Big Baby would interest me but they both lack height if you are calling Randolph short at 6’9 1/2″

    Zack is a good offensive player.

  • Nov 9, 20108:14 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    @Alan:
    I don’t think anyone reported that a trade was happening or even discussed. What was reported was that Chris Mannix supposedly had a source who told him if Memphis trades Randolph, he’d like to go to Detroit. Sorry, but I think that’s newsworthy. The Atlanta offer yesterday originated from a Hawks reporter, using a Hawks source, who would probably love that lopsided deal to happen. I think every Pistons reporter debunked that one, which was reported as a legit offer that was discussed, within a couple hours.
    With Randolph, it was simply a report saying he’d like to be in Detroit if not Memphis. The Detroit reports that followed that just simply fleshed out whether it was conceivable that Detroit would have interest if that was truly the case, which I think they would.
    Media doesn’t apologize. We’re like Iverson.

  • Nov 9, 20108:24 pm
    by gmehl1977

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    Ahhh the media. Just like Chris Rock says ‘it’s not me…it’s the media’.

  • Nov 9, 20109:02 pm
    by Alan

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    @Patrick,
    My bad.  I’ve been anticipating Tayshaun hogging all the trade rumors this deadline for quite some time now.  As this time approaches, I’m a little frustrated with the rumors coming down the pipeline.  I shoot from the hip and will likely blame the media again.  Please know I consider you and Dan to be one of the good ones.  lol
     
    I appreciate you and Dan producing this blog.  Its a good one and I enjoy it.

  • Nov 9, 20109:22 pm
    by DoctorDaveT

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    Hey, PP,
    Let’s see: a 20/10 guy wants to come to Detroit?
    Let’s see: we have a roster of, what, a 1,000 wing players?
    Who do you NOT give up to get this guy?
    Anybody on this roster that is a 1-2-3 player has to be offered for Randolph; in fact, don’t you give up any two of these wing players?
    If they want Daye, are you gonna tell me not to do that? Are you not clearly thinking? Daye will never be a 10 rebounder.
    And don’t touch JJ? What? Why? The only real reason for that is “I like him.”
    There has got to be only one “untouchable” for Randolph on this team, and that is Mr. Monroe. (He’s not untouchable, but not for Randolph.)
    Factor out Monroe, and The Griz can have any two Pistons they want. (And we’ll throw in Kuester to boot. Just kidding on that last one.) And it’s still a better trade for the Pistonis than the Griz.
     

  • Nov 9, 20109:50 pm
    by detroitpcb

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    when Daye moves back to one of his more natural positions (2 or 3) and starts playing 30+ minutes a game he is going to get you 18 points, 6 rebounds, 2 asists and 1 block a game. I don’t include that in a trade for Zack Randolph. Get real. Zack is 30 years old.

  • Nov 10, 20103:49 am
    by vic

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    in a heartbeat!
    Rip & Max for Zack. Rip is great, but for Zack I’d move BG to start and have ADaye backup 2

    with deliberation
    Stuckey & Max for Zack – I’d love to have WB & Terrico healthy. I love Stuckey, and he’s good. But for Zack I might do it.

  • Nov 10, 20108:54 am
    by DoctorDaveT

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    Hey, PP,
    @PCB – I am willing to “budge” on making Daye untradeable for Randolph; but you’re projection makes him “the second coming of Tayshaun Prince.” Prince is an all-star, NBA Champion, & Olympic Gold medalist; and he’s all of that with an undersized NBA body. Projecting that onto Daye is like catching “lightning in a bottle” – twice.
    Daye has talent, no question about that. He can score in this league. But rebounding and defense? He’s simply too small.
    And that brings up something no one wants to talk about: “hurt-ability.” At 205-215 lbs, he is going to be hurt. “But Prince wasn’t hurt! He was an NBA iron man!” Expecting that to happen with anyone built like Prince/Daye is like expecting to “catch lightning in a bottle.” And since we already caught it once (with Prince), expecting it out of Daye would be like catching lightning in a bottle twice.
    So, Daye would be the only other one that might be untradeable (besides Mr. Monroe) for Randolph – but if the Griz would take him straight up, would you say no? If so, are you kidding?
     

  • Nov 10, 201011:36 am
    by Nick

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    I don’t understand how this trade could possibly happen. In all situations, Memphis is far better off just holding on to Randolph and letting his contract expire. They need post players too right? Why would they even want Prince? And it would make absolutely no sense for them to take back a terrible contract (like Max or Rip) seeing as they already have a ton of bad contracts themselves. The Pistons would have to give up Monroe (I don’t even think Jerekbo would be enough the entice them), and just because he wants to play in Detroit doesn’t mean they’d ship him here; they could get far better value from another team.
    If the Pistons are going to make a trade (which I highly doubt they’ll be able to) it’ll have to be with a title contender that is willing to take on a bad contract in order to rent Tay for the latter half of the playoffs, and give us some expiring contracts and a decent youngster in return.
    I hate being in “bad contract hell”

  • Nov 10, 20106:00 pm
    by gmehl1977

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    @Nick
    I think maybe a 3rd team could get involved to make this happen. Something like:
     
    Randolph to Detroit, Prince to New York, Curry/Chandler & Wilcox to Memphis.
     
    It might not be in Memphis best interest but if Randolph wants out then maybe its a chance. If he really wants out like what’s being reported then at least they would get 3 expiring contracts in return.
     
    I am sure there are better deals out there but i just can’t get enough of the good old trade machine!

  • Nov 11, 20103:52 am
    by Dan Feldman

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    Let’s start with two assumptions: the Grizzlies don’t plan to extend or re-sign Randolph, and the Pistons have been sold. Why might the Grizzlies trade Randolph for Prince and Wilcox?  Here are two reasons.

    1. The Grizzlies will have to deal with Raymond Brothers again. Sometimes, it makes sense to appease a player. It might pay off down the road. (This is especially relevant if the Grizzlies are out of contention by the trade deadline.)

    2. Randolph will make $3,517,906 more than Prince and Wilcox combined this season. After the trade, the Grizzlies would save a prorated amount of that.

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