Comments on: Rip Hamilton, Charlie Villanueva and Greg Monroe all make key plays as the Pistons get their first win of the season http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 21 May 2013 05:57:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10106 Patrick Hayes Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:39:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10106 @PCB: Any of those guys really, although preferably not Wilcox. Sacramento is starting two guys who can rebound in Dalembert and Jason Thompson. They also have Cousins and Hassan Whiteside, both legit young bigs. Detroit has two big men who are even competent on the glass right now. Sorry. Daye's 6.9 boards per 36 are just not good enough. Not even close to good enough to justify starting him at the four. And sadly, those pathetic numbers (for a four) are better than Maxiell's and Villanueva's right now. It's not Daye's fault, he's playing out of position and doing the best he can. But Monroe would give the team a better chance to win games, which, according to the organization, is their stated goal. @PCB:
Any of those guys really, although preferably not Wilcox.
Sacramento is starting two guys who can rebound in Dalembert and Jason Thompson. They also have Cousins and Hassan Whiteside, both legit young bigs. Detroit has two big men who are even competent on the glass right now.
Sorry. Daye’s 6.9 boards per 36 are just not good enough. Not even close to good enough to justify starting him at the four. And sadly, those pathetic numbers (for a four) are better than Maxiell’s and Villanueva’s right now. It’s not Daye’s fault, he’s playing out of position and doing the best he can. But Monroe would give the team a better chance to win games, which, according to the organization, is their stated goal.

]]> By: Kaneda http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10105 Kaneda Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:30:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10105 @Zeiram the Wizards would be freeing up some cap space immediately. Stuckey's contract is up in a year and Rip will have 2 years left on the contract compared to Arenas' 3 years and about 5 million less in payroll. Also Rip would be a fitting piece, imo, for this Wizard's team... and find a coach he has successfully played under for 3 years.     @Zeiram
the Wizards would be freeing up some cap space immediately. Stuckey’s contract is up in a year and Rip will have 2 years left on the contract compared to Arenas’ 3 years and about 5 million less in payroll. Also Rip would be a fitting piece, imo, for this Wizard’s team… and find a coach he has successfully played under for 3 years.
 
 

]]> By: detroitpcb http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10103 detroitpcb Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:53:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10103 @Patrick then please tell me who we will bring off the bench to anchor the second unit? CV? Max? Daye? Wilcox? I cannot think of a worse move right now than starting Monroe. Ben Wallace is our Dalembert. The vet who starts an anchors the team defense. @Patrick

then please tell me who we will bring off the bench to anchor the second unit? CV? Max? Daye? Wilcox?

I cannot think of a worse move right now than starting Monroe.

Ben Wallace is our Dalembert. The vet who starts an anchors the team defense.

]]> By: Zeiram http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10101 Zeiram Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:14:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10101 As some have said before, Mcgrady proving he isn´t Iverson and actually being capable(and willing) to play any role the pistons give him means we have to do that trade and fast. Between Bynum, Stuckey, Gordon, Hamilton, Mcgrady and Daye that´s just too many backcourt/wing players.   I would love the pistons to get rid of Hamilton and Stuckey for a real pg. Reason being that Hamilton is of no value on a rebuilding team and stuckey is not a good pg and trails Gordon in usefulness at the sg. I would love to get a young pg like Maynor or Bledsoe but it´s unrealistic. So just salary dump the hell out of those two and draft a pg in the future.   @Kaneda But it´s something the Wizards wouldn´t do. Remeber they cap freedom not two players they have to get rid of again. As some have said before, Mcgrady proving he isn´t Iverson and actually being capable(and willing) to play any role the pistons give him means we have to do that trade and fast. Between Bynum, Stuckey, Gordon, Hamilton, Mcgrady and Daye that´s just too many backcourt/wing players.
 
I would love the pistons to get rid of Hamilton and Stuckey for a real pg. Reason being that Hamilton is of no value on a rebuilding team and stuckey is not a good pg and trails Gordon in usefulness at the sg. I would love to get a young pg like Maynor or Bledsoe but it´s unrealistic. So just salary dump the hell out of those two and draft a pg in the future.
 
@Kaneda
But it´s something the Wizards wouldn´t do. Remeber they cap freedom not two players they have to get rid of again.

]]> By: Kaneda http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10099 Kaneda Sun, 07 Nov 2010 11:36:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10099 Sorry for the off topic comment but I would love to get an article on whether it's worth it for the Pistons to try and trade for Arenas giving up Stuckey and Rip.   Under the current circumstances I think it is a risk the Pistons should be willing to take. Sorry for the off topic comment but I would love to get an article on whether it’s worth it for the Pistons to try and trade for Arenas giving up Stuckey and Rip.
 
Under the current circumstances I think it is a risk the Pistons should be willing to take.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10089 Patrick Hayes Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:11:47 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10089 @Ex-Rocket fan: "McDyess is a big man, McGrady is a perimeter ball handler.  A big man can get by without explosiveness, but a perimeter ball handler without explosiveness is a liability." Nah. Mike Finley, Matt Harpring, Morris Peterson, Charlie Bell, etc. There are tons of guards who are semi-effective role players who aren't explosive. Even guys like Joe Dumars, when he played, Chauncey Billups, J-Kidd -- they don't get by on explosiveness and athleticism. McGrady is fully capable of doing that. First of all, his height is a major asset as a passer. He still hits his perimeter shot well enough. He's played hard defensively so far. He hasn't forced shots. My question with McGrady has never been, "Can he be a role player?" He absolutely can be a very good one. My question was always, "Is he willing to be a role player?" Stars don't always take that on very willingly. So far in Detroit, he's been unselfish, he's been efficient and the team has played well when he's been on the court for extended minutes the last two games. No (rational) Pistons fan is expecting a miracle. But McGrady can absolutely be a smart, crafty wing player minus athleticism. And you're wrong about Charlotte not pressuring him. Gerald Wallace picked him up at halfcourt twice, and both times McGrady drove around him, got to the basket and finished. He's lost a few steps, no doubt. He's still an OK NBA player though, and he's run the team pretty well when he's been pressed into playing point guard. @Ex-Rocket fan:
“McDyess is a big man, McGrady is a perimeter ball handler.  A big man can get by without explosiveness, but a perimeter ball handler without explosiveness is a liability.”
Nah. Mike Finley, Matt Harpring, Morris Peterson, Charlie Bell, etc. There are tons of guards who are semi-effective role players who aren’t explosive. Even guys like Joe Dumars, when he played, Chauncey Billups, J-Kidd — they don’t get by on explosiveness and athleticism.
McGrady is fully capable of doing that. First of all, his height is a major asset as a passer. He still hits his perimeter shot well enough. He’s played hard defensively so far. He hasn’t forced shots.
My question with McGrady has never been, “Can he be a role player?” He absolutely can be a very good one. My question was always, “Is he willing to be a role player?” Stars don’t always take that on very willingly. So far in Detroit, he’s been unselfish, he’s been efficient and the team has played well when he’s been on the court for extended minutes the last two games.
No (rational) Pistons fan is expecting a miracle. But McGrady can absolutely be a smart, crafty wing player minus athleticism.
And you’re wrong about Charlotte not pressuring him. Gerald Wallace picked him up at halfcourt twice, and both times McGrady drove around him, got to the basket and finished.
He’s lost a few steps, no doubt. He’s still an OK NBA player though, and he’s run the team pretty well when he’s been pressed into playing point guard.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10088 Patrick Hayes Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:02:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10088 @Alan: I wish man. Can't see any of those teams having interest though. And Atlanta said that Smith is not on the market, as had been reported. @Alan:
I wish man. Can’t see any of those teams having interest though. And Atlanta said that Smith is not on the market, as had been reported.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10087 Patrick Hayes Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:00:56 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10087 @PCB: "Patrick notes that he can develop confidence against the other team’s backup and i would add probably draw fewer fouls. I believe Cousins is in a similar situation in Sac and welcomed a move to the bench." Different situation though. I'd like Monroe to start b/c he's the team's second best rebounder. If Daye isn't hitting shots (and he's only had two good shooting games), he's useless as a starter, the Pistons get killed on the boards early and they'll be playing from behind all season that way. Monroe gives them a chance to be competitive on the boards. Cousins' backup was Sam Dalembert. If the Pistons had a Dalembert-caliber big to play instead of Monroe, I'd be all for Monroe coming off the bench. He's the second best frontcourt player on the team right now, and I think he'll be starting fairly soon unless Daye gets dramatically more consistent right away. @PCB:
“Patrick notes that he can develop confidence against the other team’s backup and i would add probably draw fewer fouls. I believe Cousins is in a similar situation in Sac and welcomed a move to the bench.”
Different situation though. I’d like Monroe to start b/c he’s the team’s second best rebounder. If Daye isn’t hitting shots (and he’s only had two good shooting games), he’s useless as a starter, the Pistons get killed on the boards early and they’ll be playing from behind all season that way. Monroe gives them a chance to be competitive on the boards.
Cousins’ backup was Sam Dalembert. If the Pistons had a Dalembert-caliber big to play instead of Monroe, I’d be all for Monroe coming off the bench. He’s the second best frontcourt player on the team right now, and I think he’ll be starting fairly soon unless Daye gets dramatically more consistent right away.

]]> By: detroitpcb http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10085 detroitpcb Sat, 06 Nov 2010 23:35:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10085 @patrick i am president of the Monroe/JJ/Daye fan club. The Pistons have three young players in place for their next run. All they are lacking is that intimdating inside rebounding, shot blocking and defensive presence. If they get that player in the next draft, watch out in two or three years. They will be back in the finals. @patrick

i am president of the Monroe/JJ/Daye fan club. The Pistons have three young players in place for their next run. All they are lacking is that intimdating inside rebounding, shot blocking and defensive presence. If they get that player in the next draft, watch out in two or three years. They will be back in the finals.

]]> By: Ex-Rocket-Fan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/11/rip-hamilton-charlie-villanueva-and-greg-monroe-all-make-key-plays-as-the-pistons-get-their-first-win-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-10082 Ex-Rocket-Fan Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:01:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=3673#comment-10082 It baffled me why the Charlotte guards didn't pressure McGrady whenever he brought the ball up as PG.  It's painfully obvious that he still can't move well, yet the other team just lets him off the hook.   I think teams will figure this out quickly.  If McGrady is at PG bringing the ball up, pressure him and he'll fold.  And even if he manages to get past the defender, it's not like he has the ability to consistently capitalize on openings.  Not yet anyway. It baffled me why the Charlotte guards didn’t pressure McGrady whenever he brought the ball up as PG.  It’s painfully obvious that he still can’t move well, yet the other team just lets him off the hook.
 
I think teams will figure this out quickly.  If McGrady is at PG bringing the ball up, pressure him and he’ll fold.  And even if he manages to get past the defender, it’s not like he has the ability to consistently capitalize on openings.  Not yet anyway.

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