Comments on: Let’s all recuperate with a look at Kevin Garnett’s ‘toughness’

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By: jeff

jeff — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:44:41 +0000

How do you feel about KG after the weak ish he pulled on Bill Walker…

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:52:59 +0000

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70035/20101110/noah_calls_garnett_mean_and_ugly/el/

We’ll give Joakim the last word.

By: Glenn

Glenn — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 13:20:57 +0000

I think Kamron is a “get the last word” guy.

By: Kamron

Kamron — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:30:34 +0000

So, that would make you a somebody? At least you managed to end it with a joke. Kinda like the Pistons themselves, if you don’t mind me closing the circle.

By: gmehl1977

gmehl1977 — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:33:09 +0000

First…whoops…i mean last :-)

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 02:18:50 +0000

You guys still going with this? Damn. Move on. Treat Kamron like KG would: "I'm not paying attention to nobodies any more."

By: Kamron

Kamron — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 01:46:02 +0000

“That makes it even more open to discussion. I also understand that as a public figure, it is fair to make jokes about him based on his reputation.”

To be clear, I never said that the subject was off-limits or crossed over some ethical line, just that it was lame and an attempt to distract from a bad team’s performance. I mean, yeah, sure, make fun of public figures (or private ones) all you want. You can even do it in bad taste, or unfairly, etc.
Im not sure why me saying that this is lame is considered equal to saying “you should not poke fun at public figures” or something to that effect. Some folks here have an opinion about KG. I disagree with that opinion. We go back and forth a little bit. Fun is had by all.

“Oh, and just for the record, I know a straw man when I see one. When you went into how a team with a guy who could be beat up by fans beat the Pistons, you left exaggeration behind and ventured into logical fallacy.”

First, if you think my exaggeration unjustified, fine. But it’s still exaggeration. Even hyperbolic exaggeration is still exaggeration.
Second, it’d only be a straw man if I misrepresented it as an opposing position and then defeated it, claiming to have defeated their actual position. Since I never defeated that position and claimed it was someone else’s, it isn’t a strawman argument. The general point of it was “belittling your opponents is not only petty, it also reduces your successes and magnifies your failures”.
Third, “logical fallacy” means something other than “stuff that’s not true”. There is nothing illogical about a player who could be beaten up by fans, even if it turns out not to be true in this specific case. Logical fallacy is something like “If I own a private island then I am rich. I am rich, therefore I own a private island.”

“I guess I do seem to be giving people the benefit of the doubt, and you aren’t, so there is that difference.”

Yeah, that’s pretty often true with me.

By: Oats

Oats — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 06:59:31 +0000

I did not ever say you were a fan of KG… so, yeah. You probably mixed it up with another post, but I just want to clear that up. I also still don’t see your argument that we are trying to make our guys look better. Sorry, but we have been calling CV soft for awhile, including in this thread. I don’t see how talking about KGs rep changes our stance on CV, or our players. At most we might call Maxiell and Wallace tougher than him, but that wouldn’t even require taking into account the video. Both of them spend a lot of time banging with guys quite a bit bigger than them, and playing quite physical basketball. Their play alone makes it so calling them tougher than KG is defensible (I don’t personally subscribe to that line of thinking, at least with Maxiell, but it doesn’t sound ridiculous to me either). Considering that, I don’t see how this is supposed to be elevating our guys.

What is more, saying they’d like to see how they’d fare in a fight with him is not the same thing as saying they actually want to fight him. I know for certain one of those posts was from a guy boasting of some MMA experience saying that he would like to fight him. I read his post as him wondering how he’d fare against someone like Garnett. Assuming he is telling the truth about his MMA experience, that doesn’t seem unreasonable. Admittedly he also said Garnett seems like a pussy in that post, so maybe I’m misinterpreting his point, but I read it as testing himself against Garnett and Garnett against him. This is different than, “I’d kick Garnett’s ass.” It’s, “I’d be willing to test out how tough he is.” It should also be pointed out, that should his claims of having some MMA experience be true, he isn’t an average tubby Pistons fan (not actually a Piston’s fan at all, mind you, just someone whose attention was drawn here by the video, like I suspect you were). The second post didn’t really say he would fight him, at least not if it is the post I am thinking of. He actually said he’d be willing to call Garnett a pussy to his face. Not quite the same thing. I actually interpret that as saying he doesn’t think he’d end up in the fight with Garnett, even if he said it. That is actually a logical opinion if you think Garnett is a pussy. I guess I do seem to be giving people the benefit of the doubt, and you aren’t, so there is that difference.

Oh, earlier you pointed to evidence why what I said the reputation he had was wrong. Just to clarify, I was merely stating the reputation, not my stance on it. I didn’t think saying it was his reputation made me sound desperate. I thought I was differentiating his reputation from my opinion on the matter. Hope that helps you understand my stance a bit better.

Let me further clarify my stance on the issue. I think he baits people, and smartly avoids the fight. Frankly, he is too valuable a player to get in these fights. I also see how this behavior would get him a reputation as a bully and a wimp. While I see this reputation as inaccurate, which in turn makes it fair game to be discussed. I also think there is some evidence, although quite poor evidence, to back up this reputation. That makes it even more open to discussion. I also understand that as a public figure, it is fair to make jokes about him based on his reputation.

Apparently we don’t see eye to on this issue, or the posts in this forum. That is fine though, since we don’t have to agree. This is especially true because we are unlikely to ever cross paths again, including in cyberspace. Oh, and just for the record, I know a straw man when I see one. When you went into how a team with a guy who could be beat up by fans beat the Pistons, you left exaggeration behind and ventured into logical fallacy.