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The Point Forward » Posts Court Vision: The latest around the league « — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:26:27 +0000

[...] be contributing to that sense of inevitability at this point. He and coach John Kuester got into another public disagreement in Golden State on Monday, only a couple of weeks after the two sniped at each other through the [...]

By: Laser

Laser — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:29:40 +0000

the writing’s on the wall for tayshaun. he’s sort of the reluctant, de facto leader of the team, and he’s publicly butting heads with the coach. your analysis of him is right, and i have a hard time blaming the guy. everything that’s wrong with this team is joe dumars’s fault. sure he can’t make any moves until the sale is finalized, but he never should have put the team in a position of such weakness. you can’t get stuck in a spot like this if you don’t put yourself in this spot.

here’s the perfect solution to rip: decide if you can trade him or not. if you CAN trade him, you do so as fast as you can. maybe the day after the sale. dump him immediately and take nothing in return. if you CAN’T trade him, sit his skinny ass on the bench. he’ll probably tear up opposing benches, and he’ll be paired with bynum who is a better fit. the big problem with rip is that he’s a painfully bad fit in this system, so he’s not going to establish value with a consistently high level of play and production.

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Detroit Pistons and Tayshaun Prince Must Part Ways | Cheering For Laundry — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:03:48 +0000

[...] PistonPowered reports, during the second quarter, Tayshaun Prince and head coach John Kuester went at it in the huddle [...]

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:15:54 +0000

@PCB:

I don't think anyone is arguing "both Rip and Tay need to go." But for the moment, they're not going anywhere. So how do you handle it? Do you bench them, piss them off further and have an even more divided and toxic locker room for your young players to soak up, or do you try to do what you can to make it work with them, which means they are going to have to start and play primary roles?

Yes, them playing takes away time from others who look like bigger parts of the team's future. But if you sit them, they're still going to be around, and they're going to be bigger malcontents. It's a bad spot for Kuester to be in, but if he's stuck with them, he has to try and use them how they're going to be most effective. Not that they've been that good as starters, but my guess is they'd be much worse and play with less effort off the bench.

By: detroitpcb

detroitpcb — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:39:06 +0000

If Q put him on the bench were he belongs it might be a different story.

I would also like to point out what went on defensively in that first half last night. Tay was getting beat in half court by his man. Then bynum came in and started turning the ball over and Prince was getting beat by his man downcourt. That is when Q went off on him. These days, when one of his young teammates makes a turnover or a mistake, Tay does not hustle back but grimaces in disgust and then lollygags back. Tay was pissed last night with the turnovers, the poor defensive scheme, and the fact that Q put Daye back in the starting lineup.

sorry, but both Rip & Tay need to go if this team is to progress. Neither one will be on board with reduced minutes, reduced roles, or watching their young teammates go through the experiences it takes to learn how to win in the NBA on a nightly basis

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:20:45 +0000

@PCB:
I get that Rip hasn’t played well. But what has he done to show that he’s “not on board?” He plays hard (though again, not well). If they can move his contract and give most of his minutes to Gordon, then great. But he hasn’t had public fights with the coach, he hasn’t made anti-team comments to the media and he’s playing with effort each night.
If he needs to go, it’s because there are other players on the team capable of playing better than him, but it’s not because he’s had a poor attitude.

By: detroitpcb

detroitpcb — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:02:43 +0000

Would like to see a more specific analysis of what happened during that Golden State run in the first half. It came when Bynum came in the game for Stuckey and the Pistons offense stagnated. They stopped looking for the hot hand (which was Daye at the time) and Bynum turned the ball over on 3 occasions that led to GS scores.

Both Prince and Rip need to go if this team is going to grow. Neither player is on board with what needs to take place. The Pistons play better at a faster tempo – give Stuckey credit for constantly pushing it – and his running mate needs to be Ben Gordon. The Pistons also play better when the ball moves and Tay holds the ball. Both Tay & Rip do not hit the younger players when they are open because they think getting their own shot is a better way to go.

Daye was keeping them close while GS was making their run. When he went out, the Pistons stopped scoring and with Bynum turning the ball over and Ellis shooting the way he was -it was over.

Great comeback though. But once again Q refuses to call his vets out. He should have benched Prince.

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